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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:11 AM Jan 2019

Interesting thing about AOC and Pelosi during the shutdown

This bodes for an excellent future. AOC is, of course, very good at dominating a news cycle when she wants to. And she even dominated a couple of them last week. But then, during the critical two days of the shutdown, Thursday and Friday, she went media dark. Only a few retweets of fairly bland news articles on the 24th and 25th, until the bill was signed. Then back on to her normal tempo.

Anybody worried that she's not a team player needs to relax. She passed the ball at exactly the right time.

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Interesting thing about AOC and Pelosi during the shutdown (Original Post) Recursion Jan 2019 OP
Spot on malaise Jan 2019 #1
That's good to hear. Chemisse Jan 2019 #2
Democrats were united. Iliyah Jan 2019 #3
Not all Democrats mountain grammy Jan 2019 #4
WOW Iliyah Jan 2019 #7
Not all Democrats...a Democrat in the House voted against the bill lapucelle Jan 2019 #8
Actually four times: George II Jan 2019 #23
There's a difference between "going dark" and "laying low after an embarrassing mistake". lapucelle Jan 2019 #42
Yes. Don't forget that LaGuardia Airport, the airport most affected by the shutdown, is located in: George II Jan 2019 #44
I'm sure the workers required to work without pay for a month won't forget. lapucelle Jan 2019 #47
Manchin is a senator. yardwork Jan 2019 #11
Manchin voted for BOTH bills. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2019 #14
What about in the House? Were there any defections there? Were we united there too? NurseJackie Jan 2019 #36
But he also voted for the Democratic bill as well radical noodle Jan 2019 #39
Why do you use the word "attacking?" mountain grammy Jan 2019 #40
Did any Democrats vote AGAINST re-opening the government? lapucelle Jan 2019 #45
Sure radical noodle Jan 2019 #48
Except for the one Dem who voted against opening the government dansolo Jan 2019 #5
Oh my. Iliyah Jan 2019 #9
Oh dear, watoos Jan 2019 #24
AOC has a very bright future. She's wicked smart and learning fast. TreasonousBastard Jan 2019 #6
Has she managed to open her district office yet? nini Jan 2019 #41
Lesson #1 for all freshmen: Read the bill before you vote on it. N/T lapucelle Jan 2019 #46
This speaks to Nancy Pelosi's leadership. yardwork Jan 2019 #10
Didn't AOC vote against reopening the government? -Steph- Jan 2019 #12
Who cares? Recursion Jan 2019 #13
That's correct. The larger point is that there were no distractions. yardwork Jan 2019 #15
Who cares? The bill for which she voted Nay didn't even contain funding for ICE.... George II Jan 2019 #19
I care if a politician knows what it is they are voting for. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #22
Yes she did, actually four times this week she had the only Nay vote. George II Jan 2019 #21
I think she went media dark because she realized that she was the only Democrat to vote against.... George II Jan 2019 #16
She did. Because she knew where the attention should be right then Recursion Jan 2019 #17
That's not what I said, we'll leave it at that. George II Jan 2019 #20
She deleted an embarrassing instagram after an embarrassing vote. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #30
Repeat after me: rookies make rookie mistakes Recursion Jan 2019 #31
Of course they do. But it seems hard for you to admit that AOC made a mistake. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #33
There are 59 "rookie" Democrats in the House - only one voted against the Democratic bill. George II Jan 2019 #38
It would be nice to see a public acknowledgement of the error. It wasn't like it was one.... George II Jan 2019 #43
And I don't think this was a vote that Pelosi "released" EffieBlack Jan 2019 #18
She may be a rising star, or just someone who craves the starlight, but shame on her and her staff Fla Dem Jan 2019 #25
Give me 200 AOC's with Nancy Pelosi as leader, watoos Jan 2019 #28
Nancy makes an excellent mentor to AOC and the entire freshman class of '18 beastie boy Jan 2019 #26
That Recursion Jan 2019 #27
AO-C ain't the Captain or the Quarterback of the Democratic Team. democratisphere Jan 2019 #29
LOL She's got many Americans discussing... SMC22307 Jan 2019 #34
I noticed that as well, SMC22307 Jan 2019 #32
I so appreciate this discussion! DemocracyMouse Jan 2019 #35
Good for her. NoMoreRepugs Jan 2019 #37

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
3. Democrats were united.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:21 AM
Jan 2019

Democratic Party is a BIG tent. We are not single minded trolls like the Republican party.

Democrats are like many families. Agree to disagree . . . but in Democrats case overall, they work for the USA's people for a better well being with positive futures for "everyone" not just one group of people.

lapucelle

(18,190 posts)
8. Not all Democrats...a Democrat in the House voted against the bill
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:43 AM
Jan 2019

in the mistaken belief that it included funding that wasn't actually in the bill.

Manchin voted for both versions of the funding bill.

Only one Democrat voted not to re-open the government.

George II

(67,782 posts)
23. Actually four times:
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:49 AM
Jan 2019

#46 H J RES 28 YEA-AND-NAY 23-Jan-2019 1:44 PM
QUESTION: On Passage
BILL TITLE: Making further continuing appropriations for fiscal year 2019, and for other purposes

#47 H RES 61 YEA-AND-NAY 23-Jan-2019 1:56 PM
QUESTION: On Agreeing to the Resolution
BILL TITLE: Providing for consideration of the bill H.R. 648, and consideration of the joint resolution, H.J. Res. 31; providing for consideration of motions to suspend the rules; and waiving a requirement of clause 6(a) of rule XIII with respect to consideration of certain resolutions reported from the Committee on Rules

#49 H R 648 YEA-AND-NAY 23-Jan-2019 3:54 PM
QUESTION: On Passage
BILL TITLE: Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2019

#51 H J RES 31 YEA-AND-NAY 24-Jan-2019 10:48 AM
QUESTION: On Passage
BILL TITLE: Making further continuing appropriations for the Department of Homeland Security for fiscal year 2019, and for other purposes

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/index.asp

In each case only one Democrat voted Nay.

lapucelle

(18,190 posts)
42. There's a difference between "going dark" and "laying low after an embarrassing mistake".
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 12:09 PM
Jan 2019

I wonder how airport workers felt after members of Congress voted against re-opening the government.

George II

(67,782 posts)
44. Yes. Don't forget that LaGuardia Airport, the airport most affected by the shutdown, is located in:
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 12:11 PM
Jan 2019

New York's 14th Congressional District!!

lapucelle

(18,190 posts)
47. I'm sure the workers required to work without pay for a month won't forget.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 12:30 PM
Jan 2019

Axiom: Read the dang bill!
- Corollary: Don't grandstand if you haven't.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
36. What about in the House? Were there any defections there? Were we united there too?
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:33 AM
Jan 2019

Asking for a friend.

radical noodle

(7,997 posts)
39. But he also voted for the Democratic bill as well
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:55 AM
Jan 2019

Something his Republican challenger last year would likely not have done. We need to stop attacking our own. He knew that bill wasn't going to pass with his vote.

mountain grammy

(26,600 posts)
40. Why do you use the word "attacking?"
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 12:05 PM
Jan 2019

Just a report on how a Senator voted on a particular bill. He was the only Democrat to vote on both bills. My Republican Senator voted on both bills too. He was one of 6 Republicans to do that, but only one Democrat. Just facts, no attacking.

dansolo

(5,376 posts)
5. Except for the one Dem who voted against opening the government
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:28 AM
Jan 2019

Sorry, but you can't just whitewash her vote away.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
24. Oh dear,
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:49 AM
Jan 2019

AOC is a rare breed, she has the ability to change the right wing narrative, and too many people underestimate the importance of that.

Al Franken had that ability too, if you get my drift, peace.

United we stand, divided we fall.

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
10. This speaks to Nancy Pelosi's leadership.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:12 AM
Jan 2019

Nancy kept her caucus aligned and united. Good on AOC and every other Democratic representative who stayed the course.

Nancy is a general. Remember, she's the one who got Obamacare passed!

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. Who cares?
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:24 AM
Jan 2019

Symbolic votes that don't affect the outcome generally aren't whipped. She has her ICE stand that she has made clear. If it were a whipped vote that would be different.

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
15. That's correct. The larger point is that there were no distractions.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:28 AM
Jan 2019

What we didn't see - and what Trump and the media were hoping for - was a break in the Democratic unity during the shutdown.

We saw some symbolic votes and some letters from some members of the House, but no serious, concerted disagreement with Pelosi's strategy.

That is strong leadership. Even Trump complained about the Democratic unity. He was counting on infighting. Didn't happen.

George II

(67,782 posts)
19. Who cares? The bill for which she voted Nay didn't even contain funding for ICE....
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:34 AM
Jan 2019

....so it was a moot symbolic vote.

There are many Democrats in the House who have called for doing away with ICE, they all voted for it.

There was one single vote against the bill. Actually in the course of a few days there were four single votes against the Democratic position.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
22. I care if a politician knows what it is they are voting for.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:47 AM
Jan 2019

How do you take a stand against something that isn’t even there?

Nice try.

George II

(67,782 posts)
16. I think she went media dark because she realized that she was the only Democrat to vote against....
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:28 AM
Jan 2019

...H J RES 31, saying that she voted Nay because it contained funding for ICE (which it didn't) This is the same bill that ultimately passed both Houses on Friday.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll051.xml

She deleted her Instagram post with her reason for voting Nay sometime on Thursday.



Recursion

(56,582 posts)
17. She did. Because she knew where the attention should be right then
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:32 AM
Jan 2019

You're saying she adapts herself to the needs of the moment. She does. I'm looking forward to seeing more of this.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
30. She deleted an embarrassing instagram after an embarrassing vote.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:03 AM
Jan 2019

She is young and inexperienced. She will make mistakes and she will hopefully learn from them. Deleting the instagram shows that.

Nobody can do the job atop that pedestal you are building.



Recursion

(56,582 posts)
31. Repeat after me: rookies make rookie mistakes
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:08 AM
Jan 2019

Are you going to drop Daniel Palka because he charges the mound, or are you going to say that this is some talent we need to invest in?

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
33. Of course they do. But it seems hard for you to admit that AOC made a mistake.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:14 AM
Jan 2019

Instead you are claiming that an uninformed embarrassing vote and deleting an embarrassing Instagram was all wrapped up in a genius media savvy move by the rookie.

Kind of makes it hard to get to any other point you may have.

George II

(67,782 posts)
43. It would be nice to see a public acknowledgement of the error. It wasn't like it was one....
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 12:09 PM
Jan 2019

...among a dozen of others who may have voted against the bill. It stands out there like a sore thumb (actually four sore thumbs)

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
18. And I don't think this was a vote that Pelosi "released"
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:33 AM
Jan 2019

I suspect the Speaker's team didn't know Ocasio-Cortez would vote no until she actually voted - otherwise, they would have talked to her (or her Chief of Staff or Legislative Director) and explained what was actually in the bill so that she didn't cast an errant vote based on a misunderstanding of the bill's contents.

Fla Dem

(23,593 posts)
25. She may be a rising star, or just someone who craves the starlight, but shame on her and her staff
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:52 AM
Jan 2019

for not knowing what was in the bill. One of the most important votes in her young career and she blew it.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
28. Give me 200 AOC's with Nancy Pelosi as leader,
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:02 AM
Jan 2019

Republicans won't stand a chance.

I know that Republicans fear someone when they get attacked from the left too, something like what happened to Al Franken.

beastie boy

(9,237 posts)
26. Nancy makes an excellent mentor to AOC and the entire freshman class of '18
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:55 AM
Jan 2019

It heartens me to see that the vast majority of them are smart enough to realize this and learn from the veteran. The skills and experience Nancy can pass on to them is invaluable, and while Nancy's career is coming to an end, the class of '18 promises to hang on for a long while. The amount of education they get now will determine the degree of difference they can make for a long time to come.

It could be Nancy's biggest legacy in American politics: a whole new generation of progressive Nancies.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
27. That
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:57 AM
Jan 2019

I expect a few rookie mistakes from the rookies. I'm glad we have a deep enough bench that commands enough respect that they're learning from day 1.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
29. AO-C ain't the Captain or the Quarterback of the Democratic Team.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:03 AM
Jan 2019

Team members need to learn the plays BEFORE they are allowed to step on the field and participate during an actual game.
Governing by Twitter-Shitter is for amateurs like drumpf that have no clue as to what they are doing.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
34. LOL She's got many Americans discussing...
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:22 AM
Jan 2019

top marginal tax rates, Medicare for All, and a Green New Deal. She's inspired young progressives to get involved. I've been spending a lot more time on Twitter and it's clear we need AOC (and others) to combat the Charlie Kirk and Loony Loomer bullshit cuz it sure as hell won't be done by your GMA and evening newsbunnies. AOC has learned the plays... she's just executing them on social media which is perhaps a platform you don't understand. AOC, Bharara, Dean, Schiff, Lieu, Swalwell, Harris, Warren... it's refreshing to see strong Democrats so actively engaged.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
32. I noticed that as well,
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:11 AM
Jan 2019

thinking "where's AOC?," then realizing she stepped back to let Pelosi work her magic.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
35. I so appreciate this discussion!
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:23 AM
Jan 2019

It’s very informative regarding some of the nuances of voting and party dynamics.

And I love the team action between Nancy and AOC. The narrative about Nancy as den mother to all the incoming freshmen Representatives is great.

If AOC’s symbolic vote was against ICE I’m all for it. It still sent a clumsy message even if she and her fledgling staff didn’t quite grasp the contents of the bill (they’ll learn – and fast – from this).

In any case, I’m starting to feel hopeful about our Blue Wave (and the possibilities of a GREEN New Deal – Nature knows we need a new deal for income (and power) inequality in the context of saving the environment.

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