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Daniel Dale apparently discovered where Trump got his ridiculous numbers on illegal immigration cost (Original Post) highplainsdem Jan 2019 OP
IOW, Made Up Numbers! ProfessorGAC Jan 2019 #1
Wow,that site sure Wellstone ruled Jan 2019 #2
Couple of things. Igel Jan 2019 #18
Thanks,we should include Wellstone ruled Jan 2019 #20
Nearly nineteen TRILLION dollars? PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2019 #3
Billion Roland99 Jan 2019 #4
Arrrghh. I somehow saw digits that weren't there. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2019 #8
No worries. It's still a ridiculously false number Roland99 Jan 2019 #10
Look at the bright side... Wounded Bear Jan 2019 #21
A trillion has 3 more digits. JHB Jan 2019 #5
Yeah, some days my math comprehension leaves a bit to be desired. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2019 #9
"Hey math! Solve your own problems!" Roland99 Jan 2019 #11
LOL! PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2019 #13
Yes, Cold War Spook Jan 2019 #15
Are these aliens mentioned by one America little green men coming out of a spaceship? kimbutgar Jan 2019 #6
Two Little Men in a Flying Saucer struggle4progress Jan 2019 #14
I love it! kimbutgar Jan 2019 #17
What about all the Ancient Aliens I keep seeing on the History Channel? "Illegals" for sure!!! winstars Jan 2019 #7
Extinction Code. Book 1 of a trilogy I just finished Roland99 Jan 2019 #12
These numbers came directly out of Anus du Tumpus. spanone Jan 2019 #16
So Melania and her parents are now illegal? grantcart Jan 2019 #19
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
2. Wow,that site sure
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 02:10 PM
Jan 2019

loves to blow bullshit numbers. Hope people remember who are and what the make up of those so called 11 million illegals. The high percentage are non Hispanic who came here on Legal Tourist Visas and just said,I like it,and I am not going home.

Igel

(35,196 posts)
18. Couple of things.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 03:31 PM
Jan 2019

This sites the study that some conservatives like to cite. You can follow the link if you want to take issue with the methodology, but typically the response isn't to say, "They made this mistake" but "The results don't match other sources."

The "they don't match" argument is barely adequate in this kind of an argument. It's a shouting match, saying "we have 5 ways of measuring it, and yours loses because it's the outlier." It's playing the odds, that it's more likely for one method to be wrong than for four methods to be wrong. There's something to be said for that, but it's still playing the odds. Saying *why* the numbers arrived at were arrived at incorrectly disposes of the shouting match and makes it principled--yes, it's still possible for the "error" to be mis-identified, but it really lowers the odds.


And still the estimates that the vast majority of those who are here illegally are Latino, over 70%. Many of those also came here on tourist visas and stayed--which is the justification for raising the bar for issuing tourist visas. (And the other top 10 countries as of 2015 were India at 4%, China/Philippines at 3% each, Korea at 2% and Vietnam at 1%. Everybody else--from Australia to Poland to Uruguay to Nepal--make up 16%, so there are a lot of small numbers worked in there.)
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1214_PLCY_pops-est-report.pdf

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
10. No worries. It's still a ridiculously false number
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 02:56 PM
Jan 2019

But his sycophants and “sicko fans” don’t give a shit about reality

JHB

(37,131 posts)
5. A trillion has 3 more digits.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 02:42 PM
Jan 2019

Number shown:
$18,014,497,800

Trillion-dollar version:
$18,014,497,800,000

winstars

(4,213 posts)
7. What about all the Ancient Aliens I keep seeing on the History Channel? "Illegals" for sure!!!
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 02:50 PM
Jan 2019

They are the real problem!!!

Just listen this guy. He should be the head of DHS!!!

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
12. Extinction Code. Book 1 of a trilogy I just finished
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 02:58 PM
Jan 2019

Has more veracity to it than anything Twitler ever spewed

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