Zelaney's breathlessly gossipy coverage of Democrats in 2016 and subliminal misogyny helped land Trump in the White House.

Piss poor excuse for journalism.

But now it's being breathlessly reported, and I actually heard a pundit complain about HRC feeling "entitled to run".

SMH

She's got my vote! End of story!

IF SHE has the courage, then I will support 1000%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and smeared. If there’s going to be a rematch, then let the winner run. Let’s see what Tad Devine and Paul Manafort can come up with this time, Good Lawd, indeed.

.... being called corrupt
.... being called unlikeable
.... being called cold

Hillary was the MOST qualified candidate to ever run for POTUS and Tad Devine, Manafort and the Russian gang screwed her.

Bernie, if you are reading this -- you and your VT lakefront mansion are in this up to the eyeballs -- destroying a highly qualified, lifelong democrat for your ego.

n/t

only "FFS." No Clinton, no Sanders... please!

in the current political environment. Time will tell........

THIS would be the ICING ON THE CAKE!! GOD how i wish!!

that has already been fainting over the power of Pelosi (who said NO and brought the government standstill to a standstill). Of course she laid a lot of groundwork first but lots of people don't understand the 2 years of prep work.

Get in your Amazon and Costco orders for giant buckets of smelling salts for the far left and right.

We need to start a movement to build detention centers for these wise and powerful oldsters or Democracy may start breaking out in America!

Love it!

Let's make this even better:
Warren at HHS, (or State...would be interesting to see how she would tackle it but I'm on board I trust her)
O.Cortez as Majority Whip (you think she'd be BAD at that job at this point lol??)

Obama on the SC, because if you want a 'Fuck You', is there a more better option in terms of white racists lol?!?

Feel free to add your own.

**** ***"!!

I read your post about Zeleny.. I agree.

I didn't know he was one of the m$m assholes who helped get the Puppet rigged in, though.

...hell, I'd like to see her awarded the presidency after impeaching Trump.

Neither prospect is very good.

It will almost guarantee another 4 years of Trump. Can we not get someone new?

None of his dirty laundry came out because she didn't let it. This time? oh yea.. LOL

Al Gore was wise enough to stay away in 2004. He understood how that would unfold. You are viewed as the loser, especially if the person who "defeated" you is not exactly popular, and the, "How did they lose to THAT guy?" aspect kicks in. Fewer people who actually voted for you are willing to admit they voted for you. Then upon rematch they really don't vote for you.

Defeating an incumbent whose party has been in power only one term is exponentially more difficult than winning that open race. There is basically nothing the challenger can do. Everything is based on the popularity of the incumbent. If it is decent, then benefit of a doubt kicks in and re-election happens rather easily.

Fortunately Trump owns that low approval, and thought process/traits that should keep it low. But we still need to make sure we nominate someone very charismatic and likable.

That will be the only chance, if Trump's approval bumps upward. It is the reason I would not want Hillary Clinton in this cycle. Public opinion about her is not going to change. Her reputation is unfair but perception is everything.

It was only for a weekend. It would be a huge mistake if she runs again. She would not win the nomination and divide the opposition to Bernie.

And maybe Sanders.

Obviously she has every right to do so.

If politics were fair:

A) She would be president now and

B) The public would recognize that legitimately Hillary should be president now, and that too many of them were sold a false bill of goods against Hillary Clinton and therefor should be more open to supporting her now and

C) that we can't let Russia determine who they want and don't want as our President.

Politics however is not necessarily "fair". If the public is able to absorb points A), B) and C) above, then Hillary's favorable vs unfavorable numbers should start to shift toward her becoming more popular. That may or may not happen. If it doesn't, extremely competent as she may be, IMO Hillary would be a politically dangerous choice for the Democrats 2020 nominee.

I think a significant percentage of her supporters are ready to move on (that goes for many Bernie supporters, as well).

It's a new day and we have a really deep bench this time around. People are excited about that, imo.

of good possibilities because they've run before.

Now, the media crave new things to write about, because that's how they get more clicks and make more money, and they are the ones who are always claiming that's what we want that. That's a big part of why they gave shiny "new" (on the national scene anyway) I-Sanders a major tailwind and did their best to hide the reality that Hillary began too far ahead to beat -- so it'd be not just a fake horse race but an "exciting" one. Happens every election.

We really should question this meme that the electorate is terminally shallow and fickle, and practically criminally irresponsible. Some, yes, but most not. Surely that doesn't describe you either.

You sure like to extrapolate a lot that isn't there. Surely.

America voted to be president in 2016 might not even be able to win the primary this time.

Really? If she tried as seriously as in 2016?

And why? Because people "want to move on"? Sure, the sort of angry leftist fringies who had to be asked to leave this forum do. But they're vastly outnumbered and outpowered by all those on the right who really don't want (fear!) the woman America already elected president in 2016 running again? Repub leaders, kleptocrats, Putin, trumpsters. Sure, they want us to move on to someone they'd have a better chance of beating. And again, of course, those media who are all too willing to blanket the nation 6 feet deep for our opponents and for their own crass self interest.

I'd really love to see us finish what we started in 2016 -- and add to that taking down the bastards who derailed our elections. If I get the idea that it's possible, it'll burn a lot hotter than any other.

The fake "realities" channeled into our ears by scoundrels, weasels and fools are not the only realities.

Instead mentor some of the promising men and women that have announced.

Especially since most of the arguments against Hillary running also apply to Biden and most of the arguments in favor of Biden running apply to Hillary.

And she should kick off her campaign in either Michigan or Wisconsin.

She understands foreign policy better than just about anyone. Who better to heal the damage that 45 has done.

I think the results would be different in a rematch.

But, in the end, I don't think any of the three will run - for different reasons. All have served the country well and all have their accomplishments - domestic and foreign policy.

As to Clinton, I don't think she would win the nomination this time. Bill Clinton is not as big an asset and her favorable/unfavorable has not gotten better. https://news.gallup.com/poll/243242/snapshot-hillary-clinton-favorable-rating-low.aspx I know some HRC supporters have wanted her as President for decades, but I suggest they consider that many of the HRC supporters were the most negative in 2006 about either Gore or Kerry running again. I think many Democrats are negative this time on Clinton.

If she does, just like last time, I will vote for her in the general election.

In the 2008 debates, on foreign policy questions, Biden was easily the best - even though he never gained traction as a candidate.

As to Kerry, he clearly was the essential to the 2 biggest Obama accomplishments on foreign policy - the Paris Accord, where Kerry was given permission to try to get a deal with China but told it was unlikely. Kerry's decades of working with the world's negotiators on climate change was needed to get that deal and the others that led to Paris. The other was Iran, where Kerry was involved even as chair of the SFRC in getting the opening in Oman and he, of course spent months negotiating. Kerry also was key in Afghanistan both as the chair of SFRC (when it was Kerry who convinced Kharzi to comply with their constitution and as SoS when he helped two candidates create a unity government after a disputed government.

Both Kerry and Biden had decades where they heard all sides of international issues on the SFRC.

She is loathed by the right, and too many independents.

It doesn't matter that the loathing is irrational and unsupported; it's entrenched, it will never go away, and it's big enough to make things very difficult for us all up and down the ticket.

especially those who work against Democracy.

Unfortunately many people were easily taken in.

I doubt Susan Sarandon has gotten any smarter but lots of other have.

If not, my earlier post stands. I think Clinton would be one of the most qualified Presidents we have ever had, and I would vote for her just as I did before. I didn't "hold my nose" to do it, I was an enthusiastic supporter.

But, she's hated, viscerally, even more so than was President Obama, by a significant percentage of the electorate.

to tell it like it is and not carry out his foreign policy. Of course he probably considers Jill Stein damaged goods so he'll need to find another candidate (he may decide to dump Trump too).

I'm amazed that so many fell for the Russian propaganda-far left and far right have a lot in common.

It’s fraught with extremely misogynistic meaning. We’re not “goods” and experiencing life on our own terms doesn’t “damage” us. It’s been used to shame us for far too long. You might not mean it that way but it is certainly perceived that way.

But they can fuck off.

just like Biden. I realize she got more overall total votes than Trump, but there are just too many people who simply do not like her and there is nothing she can do to change their minds.

And so do I. So hope she runs again.

... probably totally different. Love love LOVE to see this happen!

And that's from a senior white female of Hillary's generation.

A lot of us have realized our dreams are not meant to be. Yes, maybe none of us has had to deal with the kind of disappointment and loss that Hillary did, but it doesn't mean you keep trying again.

suppossed "people" who are the source I wonder who they are?


Hillary made it clear she was not planning to run again some time ago, and I believe her. Sure, she could change her mind, but I don't think she will. She put up with so much undeserved garbage from the left, the right, and our illustrious news media, she isn't running


I think this is a bogus speculative story, with very little substance.

What would be something though is if we won the Executive branch, and both Houses of Congress, and there was a Supreme Court appointment, and either Hillary or President Obama were apppointed as SC justice. I doubt that would happen, but it would be something

And he's forced to resign and admit the 2016 election results were fraudulent, I fully expect her to be seated in his place.

Ooh doggy that would be interesting!

Pretty lame excuse for journalism, sorry.

I feel the same about Bernie running again, fwiw. They have every right, of course, but I think it would open old wounds and be not great for the party or country. JMO. I also don’t expect either to be our nominee.

Hillary made it very clear a while back she was not going to run again. These suppossed "people" she told I wonder who they are?

I don't believe this report at all

Why wouldn't she have an uphill battle? The last primary was basically a binary choice. So she had about a 1 in 2 chance. This primary is a 20 person battle royal. She'd have about a 1 in 20 chance.

Would she be Biden's VP? I love that ticket.