These two are Sarah Palin fans....

They were justly punished.

I hope they've learned their lesson, but somehow I doubt it.

What incredible bravery to shoot a sleeping mother and a couple of tiny babies.

I swear, what the fuck is wrong with men that need to hunt animals for sport? Do they all have small dicks or something? And to kill little helpless baby animals on top of that? God, I hope these motherfuckers burn in hell!

Only sick, twisted fucks would do such a thing

Also wish we could get off meat consumption as well. Untold horrors are suffered by animals so we can enjoy a burger. I have great sympathy for animals.

That should have been a minimum of 8-10 years of prison, and a $25,000 fine. Criminals can do 90 days standing on their heads.

The extra money can go towards more hidden camera research.

They should have gotten much more time!

What sort of limp-dicked monsters would do something like this?

It's not the hunting I object to.

Killing a hibernating bear and its cubs is illegal and it's not sporting.

The horrors that animals suffer in factory farms (including and especially the babies) is heartbreaking (much like this story is).

Equating the killing of vulnerable/endangered species to eating an animal raised in a farm is IDIOTIC.

I am just respectfully suggesting that anyone who is moved by stories about animal cruelty take a moment to consider the option of going vegan.

The suggestion was made respectfully and courteously.

If you like animals, don't eat them.

Seems absolutist nonsense at its best.

They get fed well, have freedom of range, the only downside is one day they will be slaughtered for food. People have different views on meat consumption, I have no issue with it.

One method is more inhumane than the other, but the end result for the animal is the same. I will only eat eggs taken from chickens raised on farms that have a track record of humane treatment of the laying hens and allowing them to roam free up to a point. But I don't fool myself, when Betsy can no longer lay a certain amount of eggs, it is likely sent to the soup factory just like the factory hens, maybe there are some farmers that let it live out it's days and then put it into a marked grave, but my guess that is few. But all that considered, yes, eating an egg laid by a free ranging hen that isn't stuffed full of chemicals to make it lay more eggs faster is better than the alternative.

But what I have read and seen with respect to factory farms suggest that they involve what amounts to animal cruelty, in my view.

There are ancient ritualistic things that are done, like castrating roosters in some cultures to grow Capons that are served at special meals, I don't have an issue with that because it is not done to a large degree.

It was criminal.

That is something everyone can/should agree on.

thread to insinuate that if you are not a vegetarian implies you somehow believe in senseless killing of animals, or cruelity to animals is bullshit.

The people I know, and most are NOT vegatarian, it is for food, not sport. They do not believe in cruelity to animals.

These false equivalencies that some try to setup I suspect in most cases is for pure flamebait.

We have clothes, shoes, and materials from animals that we use everday in such things as automobiles, medicines, etc.

For it's early existence, human beings were basically vegetarians, but suffered from high death rates and frail bodies. When human beings started eating meat, their lifetimes increased, their bodies became stronger and their migration range became much larger, and they reproduced more easily (which maybe was not such a good thing).

Chimpanzees hunt and eat meat, so it's likely that our last common ancestor did as well. Still I'd be interested in seeing the scientific literature that you're basing your claims on.

And came upon an academic paper on Earth human population growth. I didn't care about the conference that the paper was presented at because the subject matter was an aside to what I was searching for (human population relative to the number of trees on Earth). You're are likely right about early humans eating meat and that I misquoted what I read.

My point was that meat has long been in the human diet and is important for proper bodily function.

I think the fairly recent advent of factory farms for most meat and dairy production has changed the calculus a lot.

Here is my question and it is sort of multi-faceted. First, I am assuming that you are a Vegan.

My question is simple, then all the facets come in.

For everything that you eat, do you know it's history from seed or graft to your mouth?

The reason why I asked that question is that I have spent the last three months redefining ingredient purchase specifications. What the investigations into suppliers caused me to do is eliminate the word "Organic" from my product label ingredients list. The reason why is that most of my suppliers supply organic ingredients, but I could not get 100% visibility on the detail sourcing of some ingredients, including one key one that is used in several products. I trust all my suppliers and have verified their practices, but I have no right to ask them to allow me to verify their suppliers for the ingredients that I don't have a complete map on from production to going into my products.

Now, you are probably wondering, "what does all that drivel has to do with being a Vegan?" Well, this is how. Did all the ingredients that you had in your Vegan lunch today have a 100% vegetable path, from the soil and seeds to your mouth? Were the plants that the seed come from grown with 100% green manure (totally plant based from start to finish, including seed and soil fertilizer) fertilizer, or were they grown in soil fertilized with fish fertilizer or manure?

If all of the things that you eat and drink have a 100% plant history (including seed and soil fertilizer), then you are in the clear, you can rightfully look down on meat eaters like me.

But if any of the path relied on fish fertilizer or manure, then you are being subjective in your outrage. I can explain how fish fertilizer is made, but I don't want to ruin your dinner, but take it that the fish that it came from were dead or soon would be dead. Animal manure either came from diary animals, feed lot animals or the guts of slaughtered animals - regardless of which, all violate your position. As a boy I picked up cow manure on my uncle's farm, believe me, it was easier when the animals were bunched when they dumped it. If any of your food came from cow manure, can you explain how you are any different that the man or woman that wore the leather jacket to work this morning, other than you certainly care dearly about the dead animal that was skinned, but what if that was the very same animal that supplied manure for some of the vegetables that you ate at lunch, then are you really any different from the leather wearer as far as the animal's life was concerned? Farmers don't raise animals to just pick up and sell their manure, the manure is a byproduct of producing meat, milk, eggs, ect.

I would also point out that I am not expressing any outrage.

All I am suggesting is that if people are upset by stories of animal cruelty then they might want to consider going vegan.

It's not perfect, of course, but I think it at least is a small positive step.

I was a meat eater for a long time who loved animals. Someone asked me to consider going vegan, and it got me thinking and I decided to make this change.

I do not look down on meat eaters at all, and I respect whatever anyone wants to do in this regard.

But I think that a lot of Vegans don't know that at some point, the things they eat may have utilized animal or fish byproducts, that is one of the nasty under bellies of producing enough food to feed ever growing populations (a certain percentage of babies that are born will chose to be Vegans at some point, the more babies born, the larger the raw number of Vegans). What people who want to track the full path of their food should look for if they are Vegans, are growers that use only heirloom seeds that were not made via use of animal byproducts and the farmers that use the seeds use only green manure for fertilizer and use companion plants for pest control. Those farmers are out there, but they are very few. Heirloom seeds from ethical suppliers are likely not GMO (their lineage go back 70 to hundreds of years, before genetic modification of food became a thing) - but even then a person must be careful because lab hybridization of some food crops started in the early 1900s.

I appreciate you sharing these insights. It is really a challenge to eat in a way that doesn't have a negative impact on the planet.

It is challenging.

Maybe next time you go to a Vegan restaurant where the owner seems to be on the ball, as them how they source their ingredients. A small start grows into something larger, there's enough Vegans around to support 100% green farmers and allow them to decrease prices without affecting quality.

If you plan to do a garden this summer, you may want to read up on green manure and companion plants that do everything from ward off pests to fix nitrogen in the soil for other plants that can't. It may be too late now to plant things like some varieties of beans (but if you plant corn, plant pole beans right beside the corn seed, the bean provide nitrogen to the corn and use the corn as a pole, benefit to both plants), winter vetch, clover, but maybe late summer you can plant the nitrogen fixing cover plants and let them winter before tilling them into the soil during the spring.

Thank you for sharing it!

Decided not to.

As I often think you should consider not posting things like this. But yet you still do. But, as it's merely a consideration (yes?), and not an actual instruction, I s'pose you'll allow mine the same relevance as we allow yours.

And want people to consider voting for the Democratic candidate instead of him.

I feel similarly strongly about going vegan and would respectfully encourage people to consider it, especially if they love animals and are troubled by their mistreatment.

They both should have gone to prison for a year, forfeited their firearms and hunting gear, and lost their hunting privileges permanently.

Otherwise, the resident Trump supporter will accuse you of being just as bad as these assholes.

It's not legal to kill bear sows accompanied by cubs.

And thread hijacking.

Three months is a joke and not nearly enough of a deterrent. Knowing, willful and reckless. Legal definition of criminal behavior. Lock 'em up...longer. 3-5 years sounds about right.

Breaks my heart. They will do it again, no doubt.

Real he-men! True hunters/sportsmen.



Troy Gentry kills a tame bear

https://www.google.com/search?ei=_kROXLTGCuaO0gKttpmoCg&q=montgomery+gentry+kill+bear&oq=montgomery&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.35i39j0l9.1472846.1476922..1479642...2.0..0.273.2091.0j11j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i67j0i131j0i10.fEmjOJCH7tQ

Hope Karma is quick & fierce for these assholes.

What they should have gotten was thrown into a enclosure, with a very angry bear...for 5 minutes each!!!

And then had to have paid a fine and forfeit property!!!

and both should have never been able to own a firearm or hunt anywhere again.

the days of no park rangers that would stop them from sawing down joshua trees or killing whatever they need ti to fell like "men".

They are evil pieces of shit.