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nolabear

(41,938 posts)
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 06:24 PM Jan 2019

Oh my GOD Kamala Harris could win this thing!

This from my gut as well as the evidence. I didn’t hear her whole speech but she made me relax. She is strong, capable and not afraid. She doesn’t have to resort to tricks and divisive tactics. She actually sounds like she means it when she says she wants to treat all Americans with dignity. It may reach not the cultists but the frightened right.

I am more enthused every day.

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Oh my GOD Kamala Harris could win this thing! (Original Post) nolabear Jan 2019 OP
The full speech is well worth watching oberliner Jan 2019 #1
Entire Rally Available Here (Along With Key Endorsement) corbettkroehler Jan 2019 #155
Thanks for providing that link oberliner Jan 2019 #156
which is exactly why she scares the GOP and the Putin bros nini Jan 2019 #2
She also scares Bernie supporters n/t Apollyonus Jan 2019 #74
Because you say so? earthshine Jan 2019 #83
Not really Apollyonus Jan 2019 #86
Depends on who you're speaking of when you say "and his supporters." Still In Wisconsin Jan 2019 #93
Then you're no longer a "Bernie supporter" ... the logic is intact Apollyonus Jan 2019 #95
Says you? earthshine Jan 2019 #96
lulz nt Apollyonus Jan 2019 #98
You have no argument. Laugh at yourself. earthshine Jan 2019 #100
lulz nt Apollyonus Jan 2019 #102
Your logic seems to be not intact. lulz. earthshine Jan 2019 #103
Bernie supporters on Twitter are on her like white on rice. JNelson6563 Jan 2019 #110
All Bernie supporters should be Dem-in-general-elex supporters now. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #105
See my post below! yuiyoshida Jan 2019 #126
Really? LiberalLovinLug Jan 2019 #157
You get one vote in the primary. Apollyonus Jan 2019 #159
I have said on other threads how I prefer Sanders does not run LiberalLovinLug Jan 2019 #160
I watched the livestream musette_sf Jan 2019 #3
Trumper should be terrified of this woman. redstatebluegirl Jan 2019 #4
My first clue the other side was scared of her. liberalmuse Jan 2019 #5
Kamala people Jan 2019 #6
Amen. I love the idea of seeing her debate trump. Hahaha. Nt lostnfound Jan 2019 #7
Me, too. Hopefully she'll shoot some of her famous daggers his way. n/t Tess49 Jan 2019 #24
I'm disgusted with MSNBC pundits already dissing her! nolabear Jan 2019 #8
Who specifically said THAT? maxsolomon Jan 2019 #18
Ken Blackwell. TDale313 Jan 2019 #33
lol Drunken Irishman Jan 2019 #41
Yup wryter2000 Jan 2019 #52
That criminal should be in jail. He stole the 2004 election for w. yardwork Jan 2019 #60
We had the TV on while doing other stuff at home, and I think he is the one I heard say Drumph sees deurbano Jan 2019 #65
Yeah, that was him. WHY was he the go-to? nolabear Jan 2019 #88
Do you live in the middle of the country? Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #85
Yep, because Paul Ryan couldn't win HIS state for Romney. nt oldsoftie Jan 2019 #97
But what about Bernie Sanders? hunter Jan 2019 #9
Let him come. I think she can take him. nolabear Jan 2019 #10
A perfectly wonderful thread, then... demmiblue Jan 2019 #12
Didn't bother me in the least. Cha Jan 2019 #16
I won't apologize. hunter Jan 2019 #21
+1 fleabiscuit Jan 2019 #31
-1..... Bernie opened up the progressive imagination. DemocracyMouse Jan 2019 #61
Thank you! lunatica Jan 2019 #63
Bernie AND Elizabeth 2020... I'll take em in ANY order... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #73
No, I hope Sen. Sanders is out quick enough not to damage the general. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #154
+1000 LiberalLovinLug Jan 2019 #158
Yes NastyRiffraff Jan 2019 #42
This. Tipperary Jan 2019 #49
What about him? oldsoftie Jan 2019 #99
That speech was a shot in the arm when I needed one. demmiblue Jan 2019 #11
That was one of the better speechs that I have heard lately Gothmog Jan 2019 #45
We have a plethora of great candidates and potential candidates lostnfound Jan 2019 #13
Like all of these. badhair77 Jan 2019 #30
Me too. Nt lostnfound Jan 2019 #82
California's early, early primary and that favorite daughter thingy will work in her favor Brother Buzz Jan 2019 #14
Yes! Cha Jan 2019 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Brother Buzz Jan 2019 #20
LOL, if the comments from the YouTube post of the speech are any indication.... Brother Buzz Jan 2019 #22
I'm sure.. they have more than Cha Jan 2019 #25
Excellent. Now let's hope her people are prepared! nolabear Jan 2019 #26
Harris, Warren, and Brown are my favorites as of this moment. nt tblue37 Jan 2019 #15
"for the people" FirstLight Jan 2019 #19
Maybe a good time for her to resurrect one of our favorite Clinton lines... KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2019 #67
she was right all along. barbtries Jan 2019 #91
Yes, on an international level the right-wing went into rocket mode... KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2019 #117
Yes indeed! She is the real deal! honest.abe Jan 2019 #23
Twitter set itself on fire on both the right and fringe left. RandySF Jan 2019 #27
I like her a lot also. I do wish she had Hortensis Jan 2019 #28
"Harris for the People." I've got her campaign song right here. nolabear Jan 2019 #29
LOL. Kath2 Jan 2019 #39
Here's the song title she actually cited in her speech: SunSeeker Jan 2019 #121
#Harris2020 TeamPooka Jan 2019 #32
I Have Contributed to Her Campaign & Have Purchased Some Apparel that Supports Her . . OldManTarHeel Jan 2019 #34
My daughter attended her kickoff rally over in Oakland today. Packed still_one Jan 2019 #35
My daughter was there, too! deurbano Jan 2019 #54
Cool!!! still_one Jan 2019 #79
Not only is she saying all the right things, she simply comes off very presidential. honest.abe Jan 2019 #36
Her speech was inspirational! Kath2 Jan 2019 #37
Kamala Harris has poor judgement and is a political opportunist. LakeArenal Jan 2019 #38
Please be specific with your vague attacks on our likely nominee. honest.abe Jan 2019 #43
Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #58
That's it??? What a relief. honest.abe Jan 2019 #59
Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #75
Uh huh... SidDithers Jan 2019 #46
I really like Senator Harris Gothmog Jan 2019 #40
I'm trying to not get out over my skis with Kamala Harris... SKKY Jan 2019 #44
I've yet to make up my mind, but NastyRiffraff Jan 2019 #47
YES downeastdaniel Jan 2019 #48
Too early to tell left-of-center2012 Jan 2019 #50
Seriously? nolabear Jan 2019 #69
Yes left-of-center2012 Jan 2019 #115
Yes, it is still to early PatSeg Jan 2019 #81
Nobody with an ounce of sense Codeine Jan 2019 #120
That's what I'm gathering from all over DU wryter2000 Jan 2019 #51
Right I'm undecided between her and Joe RandySF Jan 2019 #53
I like him too. It'll be an interesting primary if he runs. nolabear Jan 2019 #70
Watched a good portion of the speech and loved it. However dhol82 Jan 2019 #55
This phrase from the speech hit me hard Gothmog Jan 2019 #56
I got aboard the Kamala Harris for President train kimbutgar Jan 2019 #57
She is in my top three mchill Jan 2019 #62
GEEZ. Calm down, people. Grasswire2 Jan 2019 #64
was gonna say. I like Kamala but let's wait for the field to ramp up. onetexan Jan 2019 #71
It's very early. If her home state is enthusiastic, she has crossed hurdle #1. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #87
This isn't about a cult of personality at all. nolabear Jan 2019 #72
KAMALA!!!! spicysista Jan 2019 #66
I loved her speech. SirElaih Jan 2019 #68
Why would thinking she's a frontrunner "undermine diversity?" ehrnst Jan 2019 #153
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2019 #163
How does it "undermine" other candidates? And what does having a "viable Latino candidate" ehrnst Jan 2019 #164
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2019 #166
What data do you have that DU or even the media calling someone a "frontrunner" ehrnst Jan 2019 #167
I really think she could. ismnotwasm Jan 2019 #76
The Russians are going after her right now. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2019 #77
Yep. Twitter is ablaze with venom and bullshit. nolabear Jan 2019 #108
On twitter as well yuiyoshida Jan 2019 #129
When she grilled Jeff Sessions was when I thought. . . UniqueUserName Jan 2019 #78
Most people who watched the Sessions hearing thought, "I hope Franken runs for President." Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #90
Kavanaugh is a better example for me. saidsimplesimon Jan 2019 #152
I could easily support her candidacy Miles Archer Jan 2019 #80
I like her but not sure this is the right time for her. lynintenn Jan 2019 #84
Its definitely the right time. honest.abe Jan 2019 #92
but wont they come out after anyone credible?? oldsoftie Jan 2019 #104
Nope. Just the one they think has the best chance of winning. honest.abe Jan 2019 #107
There's a rule that if a candidate doesn't have a certain % of supporters... Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #94
I like Beto too. But he might be a better VP this time. nolabear Jan 2019 #109
lulz obamanut2012 Jan 2019 #119
I believe she can win. Still In Wisconsin Jan 2019 #89
She gets a pass for throwing Al Franken under the bus for some reason madville Jan 2019 #101
Somehow, .... Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #111
I agree madville Jan 2019 #112
Biden has faced criticism for being physically affectionate with women, so he would have been nuts pnwmom Jan 2019 #133
That would eliminate EVERY woman Senator but one -- because they ALL signed the letter pnwmom Jan 2019 #132
That isn't what Amy said. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #140
I heard her say that she didn't because she works with him. pnwmom Jan 2019 #141
They ALL worked with him. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #142
Amy worked closely with him on a daily basis since they were both on the Minnesota delegation. pnwmom Jan 2019 #143
I accept her independent decision. She did the right thing. Deal with it. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #144
What are you talking about? I told you I'm fine with her decision. What IS NOT fine hss nothing to pnwmom Jan 2019 #145
Gillibrand was the face of the ouster, so is #1. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #146
What makes you think the women in the Senate failed to question the accusers who were working pnwmom Jan 2019 #147
There were multiple accusers. If any of them had been questioned.... Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #149
I don't think they would have necessarily advertised it if they had personally talked to staffers pnwmom Jan 2019 #161
Please stop hounding me about this. It wasn't reported ANYWHERE...that ANYONE... Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #162
I see her as the VP this time positioning herself for next time. jalan48 Jan 2019 #106
We still have to hear 24 more declarations. rickford66 Jan 2019 #113
The lotus has obnoxiousdrunk Jan 2019 #114
Found a transcript... fleabiscuit Jan 2019 #116
Thanks for posting. This is a great speech. bronxiteforever Jan 2019 #135
Wow! Powerful. California_Republic Jan 2019 #118
Russians Bots or the bros are going HARD after her on FB MrGrieves Jan 2019 #122
What impressed me the most was the love. summer_in_TX Jan 2019 #123
yeah I like her a lot Kali Jan 2019 #124
BY THE WAY, the Russian Trolls are focused on her now... yuiyoshida Jan 2019 #125
Only thing to do. It's just shadowboxing to engage. nolabear Jan 2019 #127
Is there daylight between them? Apollyonus Jan 2019 #128
Bernie or Busts people... yuiyoshida Jan 2019 #130
I certainly hope she is not the nominee. kelly1mm Jan 2019 #131
You keep saying that. But SHE and not you had the chance to talk IN PERSON pnwmom Jan 2019 #134
I can and will have any litmus test I want kelly1mm Jan 2019 #151
It's still early so we'll see Blue_Tires Jan 2019 #136
Liked her speech. Liked her interview on Rachel's show. She seems like the FailureToCommunicate Jan 2019 #137
I think it is a little early to pick the winner. usaf-vet Jan 2019 #138
She's the best candidate of all who have announced so far. Pisces Jan 2019 #139
Whoever is the nominee I hope and suspect we will all get behind her/him. Pepsidog Jan 2019 #148
Honestly just about anyone could win this thing as we have months to go nola. cstanleytech Jan 2019 #150
I Agee Andy823 Jan 2019 #165

nini

(16,672 posts)
2. which is exactly why she scares the GOP and the Putin bros
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 06:26 PM
Jan 2019

She's one tough cookie and smart as hell.

 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
83. Because you say so?
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 08:54 PM
Jan 2019

Why single Bernie out? If she wins, everyone who had another candidate as a favorite would also be disappointed.

 

Apollyonus

(812 posts)
86. Not really
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 08:56 PM
Jan 2019

Bernie and his supporters sound like they are "entitled" to his nomination. Others are just running.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
93. Depends on who you're speaking of when you say "and his supporters."
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:03 PM
Jan 2019

If you mean the "Bernie or Bust" crowd, then I'm with you. But I was an ardent Bernie supporter in the last election, and Sen. Harris is probably my favorite candidate this time around.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
110. Bernie supporters on Twitter are on her like white on rice.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:31 PM
Jan 2019

Seem to have lost some interest in going after Beto for the moment.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,165 posts)
157. Really?
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 03:44 PM
Jan 2019

Did Bernie "scare" Hillary supporters too?

Did Hillary "scare" Bernie supporters?

Does Bernie "scare" Harris supporters?

My gawd will this sadly predictable penchant for every single GD thread about the upcoming primaries NOT have to include the obligatory Bernie Bashing Bros contributions?

Who cares if some are actually "scared" of Harris? So what? What a bunch of wimps. The ones you hear are just the loudest most obnoxious minority and probably made up of a lot of Putin trolls, as there was proof of that from the FBI last time, and why would they stop now? Whomever wins will have won, and (almost) all those that supported other candidates will vote for the one that ultimately wins the primaries. Full Stop.

I was/am a Bernie supporter, and am also a Harris supporter! Shocking I know. I'd be happy with either one of them. As would most others. Give it a freakin rest.

 

Apollyonus

(812 posts)
159. You get one vote in the primary.
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 03:54 PM
Jan 2019

You cannot support BOTH of them. Eventually you'll cast a vote for Bernie amirite?

LiberalLovinLug

(14,165 posts)
160. I have said on other threads how I prefer Sanders does not run
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 04:09 PM
Jan 2019

Especially if someone like Harris DOES run. I'm a big fan of hers. I think its time for the old guard, to let loose some of their top down power structure. (Although Bernie, while physically old, his platform aligns closely with the younger progressives in the party, which is why I'd still be stoked if he won)

musette_sf

(10,199 posts)
3. I watched the livestream
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 06:27 PM
Jan 2019

and sent all my love and best wishes and good vibes up the Peninsula and across the Bay. I also happy-cried. I'm not sure if I've been so psyched for a candidate since Bobby Kennedy.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
4. Trumper should be terrified of this woman.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 06:29 PM
Jan 2019

She can debate him under the table and make him scream in pain. She is also not afraid of him. His name calling, his nasty politics, I think she can go toe to toe with that jerk.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
5. My first clue the other side was scared of her.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 06:29 PM
Jan 2019

Was the voracity with which they've started attacking her in the past week. Almost Clintonesque.

people

(622 posts)
6. Kamala
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 06:29 PM
Jan 2019

She blew me away. A fantastic speaker who absolutely sounds like she means what she says. This is the first time within the last few weeks when she has come out with actual positions on some things. She was fantastic. Go Kamala!

nolabear

(41,938 posts)
8. I'm disgusted with MSNBC pundits already dissing her!
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 06:33 PM
Jan 2019

Calling it a “coastal speech” and saying she ignored flyover country. Jesus Christ...

deurbano

(2,894 posts)
65. We had the TV on while doing other stuff at home, and I think he is the one I heard say Drumph sees
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 08:11 PM
Jan 2019

the glass as half full, while Harris sees it as half empty! I told my husband to turn the channel! (I had originally put it on MSNBC trying to avoid Nina Turner on CNN.... oh, well.)

Ken Blackwell, who made the weight of paper a reason to reject voter registration forms in Ohio! Of course....

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/Ken_Blackwell.pdf

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
85. Do you live in the middle of the country?
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 08:55 PM
Jan 2019

Just asking, to see if they were right, if it was a speech for her location at the time.

I'll try to watch it and see. If that's the case, you can't really judge someone's chances by being popular in one's home state and giving a speech tailored for that state. But at least she's popular in her home state, which crosses a hurdle.

hunter

(38,304 posts)
21. I won't apologize.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 07:02 PM
Jan 2019

Bernie Sanders is going down the same ego-driven path Ralph Nader did.

It's not me being divisive. It's him.



DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
61. -1..... Bernie opened up the progressive imagination.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 08:02 PM
Jan 2019

Thank you Bernie.

He will continue to compete in the primaries as he and every other capable candidate, left, right and center.

Let the man compete. Let others compete. For crying out loud, are we still taking Russia’s divisive memes seriously?

Go Bernie!
Go Kamala!
Go Elizabeth!
Go Biden!
Go Cory!

oldsoftie

(12,492 posts)
99. What about him?
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:13 PM
Jan 2019

nice guy, but his time is past. Too many will see his age at election, 79, as too big a risk factor.

lostnfound

(16,162 posts)
13. We have a plethora of great candidates and potential candidates
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 06:40 PM
Jan 2019

It’s amazing.
I could totally see myself doing GOTV for Kamala.
Or Sherrod or Amy or Julian or Cory.

Those are just my top 5.

We have an amazing group of leaders.

In the blackest of nights, the stars really shine.

Brother Buzz

(36,389 posts)
14. California's early, early primary and that favorite daughter thingy will work in her favor
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 06:41 PM
Jan 2019

It will be interesting to see how effective her campaign/message will be with the rest of the nation.

Response to Cha (Reply #17)

Brother Buzz

(36,389 posts)
22. LOL, if the comments from the YouTube post of the speech are any indication....
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 07:05 PM
Jan 2019

The freepers are already pooping their pants!

FirstLight

(13,357 posts)
19. "for the people"
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 06:54 PM
Jan 2019

Did you get that angle? She's running as a Prosecutor/Lawyer...FOR the American People! She's willing to represent us against the big crime syndicate aka the Rethugs and racists and Oligarchs etc...

I'm *so* down!!!

Haven't felt this good since Obama in 06-07

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
67. Maybe a good time for her to resurrect one of our favorite Clinton lines...
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 08:19 PM
Jan 2019

"a vast right-wing conspiracy".

Appropriate then and even more appropriate now.....

barbtries

(28,774 posts)
91. she was right all along.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:01 PM
Jan 2019

we ignored her at our peril. that vast conspiracy took down our rightful president.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
117. Yes, on an international level the right-wing went into rocket mode...
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:40 PM
Jan 2019

to BUY control of all three branches of our government.

Trouble is, as the simple, direct old saying goes: Republicans cannot govern.

......

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. I like her a lot also. I do wish she had
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 07:13 PM
Jan 2019

governor of California on her resume since I'm not at all sure people are a lot more willing to elect senators president now just because Obama went directly from senate to WH.

nolabear

(41,938 posts)
29. "Harris for the People." I've got her campaign song right here.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 07:13 PM
Jan 2019

A little rework and she’s good to go:

OldManTarHeel

(435 posts)
34. I Have Contributed to Her Campaign & Have Purchased Some Apparel that Supports Her . .
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 07:36 PM
Jan 2019

For The People . . ! ! !

honest.abe

(8,617 posts)
36. Not only is she saying all the right things, she simply comes off very presidential.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 07:40 PM
Jan 2019

She's the one folks. Our next President!

honest.abe

(8,617 posts)
43. Please be specific with your vague attacks on our likely nominee.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 07:48 PM
Jan 2019

Otherwise it sounds like a cheap shot.

Response to honest.abe (Reply #43)

Response to honest.abe (Reply #59)

SKKY

(11,797 posts)
44. I'm trying to not get out over my skis with Kamala Harris...
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 07:48 PM
Jan 2019

...but for the love of Pete she makes it difficult. Damn impressive candidate, and a damn impressive speech. Kinda reminds me what political leadership looks like. It's been a while.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
47. I've yet to make up my mind, but
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 07:50 PM
Jan 2019

I like what I see from Kamala. I would like to hear from more of our strong candidates before making a decision. It's looking like we have a very strong field (minus a couple who are unlikely to make it very far).

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
115. Yes
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:19 PM
Jan 2019

Oprah gave a great speech somewhere,
and there were many posts saying we must nominate her in 2020.

PatSeg

(47,285 posts)
81. Yes, it is still to early
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 08:47 PM
Jan 2019

But there is no comparison between Harris and Oprah. Oprah is a popular TV celebrity and Kamala Harris is an accomplished government servant.

It is early to be declaring winners, but I have to say that I was very impressed with her speech. Meanwhile, we have a long way to go. I remember when Howard Dean was seen as the probable nominee.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
120. Nobody with an ounce of sense
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 10:47 PM
Jan 2019

was seriously contemplating Oprah. A handful of dipshits does not a candidacy make.

dhol82

(9,352 posts)
55. Watched a good portion of the speech and loved it. However
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 07:58 PM
Jan 2019

this is early and the other side will, I repeat will, have their claws out.
We need to be careful and support our strongest candidates.

kimbutgar

(21,060 posts)
57. I got aboard the Kamala Harris for President train
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 07:59 PM
Jan 2019

Listening to her speech from the heart and talking about real things that affect people and not something stupid a medieval vanity wall. I loved that line! But a great punch in the orange maggots face.

mchill

(1,017 posts)
62. She is in my top three
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 08:06 PM
Jan 2019

And from my hometown of Oakland

When she was AG her office was the one that acted to fight MasterCard for me for erroneous charges ($500). My friend's company had to use the LA port as opposed to the Oakland port to beat the Trump's Tariff crunch from China. CBP in LA were causing her so many delays and hurting her business. She called Senator Harris's office and it was fixed instantly.
She runs an responsive office, for sure.

onetexan

(13,025 posts)
71. was gonna say. I like Kamala but let's wait for the field to ramp up.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 08:26 PM
Jan 2019

I'd love for her to be a VP candidate on a ticket.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
87. It's very early. If her home state is enthusiastic, she has crossed hurdle #1.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 08:58 PM
Jan 2019

There are other hurdles to come. Iowa, the Carolinas, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan....

nolabear

(41,938 posts)
72. This isn't about a cult of personality at all.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 08:27 PM
Jan 2019

If you like I can cite her background and chops. But you can judge by many factors, including how one makes you feel and I’ve seen her keep a level head and be calm and assertive in some important situations. Its a decent indicator when combined with other things.

 

SirElaih

(37 posts)
68. I loved her speech.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 08:19 PM
Jan 2019

... but I will reserve judgement until I see more from the other candidates. We have the most diverse pool of candidates ever, and I don't like seeing this diversity undermined by declaring 'frontrunners'. Sen. Harris could beat Trump, and god bless her for it, but many of our candidates could do the same.

Response to ehrnst (Reply #153)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
164. How does it "undermine" other candidates? And what does having a "viable Latino candidate"
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:29 PM
Jan 2019

have to do with Kamala?

Are you saying that there is only room for one POC in the POTUS race? Seriously?

"Who" is telling other candidates "not to run," when they talk about who is popular? DU? I thought that's what primaries decided....

I had no idea we have that kind of power.


Response to ehrnst (Reply #164)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
167. What data do you have that DU or even the media calling someone a "frontrunner"
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 04:08 PM
Jan 2019

undermines other "diverse" candidates?

Does this effect also apply when the field is all white men?

nolabear

(41,938 posts)
108. Yep. Twitter is ablaze with venom and bullshit.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:27 PM
Jan 2019

If she and her people are smart they can spin it to her advantage. But I hope they stay above the gutter. It’s a fine line between ignoring it and gutter fighting.

yuiyoshida

(41,819 posts)
129. On twitter as well
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 01:42 AM
Jan 2019

I posted about her and was sent nasty messages... I blocked them, they seemed like Russian Trolls or perhaps even BOB's.

UniqueUserName

(178 posts)
78. When she grilled Jeff Sessions was when I thought. . .
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 08:44 PM
Jan 2019

. . .I hope this woman runs for President. She's amazing!

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
90. Most people who watched the Sessions hearing thought, "I hope Franken runs for President."
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:01 PM
Jan 2019

He became nationally beloved after that hearing, and his questioning lead to Sessions recusing himself.

But Harris is a good examiner. She was a prosecutor, after all. Cool under pressure, and nothing gets past her. I saw her question..I think it was Barr, the AG nominee? She was very good.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
80. I could easily support her candidacy
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 08:46 PM
Jan 2019

All of those hearings with worms like Jeff Sessions...she was focused and fearless and the same thing that terrifies Trump when it comes to Nancy Pelosi would terrify him on the debate stage with Ms. Harris.

lynintenn

(644 posts)
84. I like her but not sure this is the right time for her.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 08:54 PM
Jan 2019

We should wait until all candidates have declared . It scares me that there are so many running. Remember there were 17 running in the GOP primaries and not all got to participate in the debates. I don't know why but I'm hoping Beto choses to run. I think he is the most electable.

honest.abe

(8,617 posts)
92. Its definitely the right time.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:01 PM
Jan 2019

How do I know? The RW trolls are out in force tonight to take her down.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
94. There's a rule that if a candidate doesn't have a certain % of supporters...
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:04 PM
Jan 2019

he/she can't participate. That way, a candidate who is foregone not to win doesn't take up valuable debate time from the real contenders.

Yeah, it didn't help the Republicans that there were 17 contenders. And there was Trump in the middle during debates. I don't know how that happened. Maybe he had the strongest poll numbers? I don't know.

nolabear

(41,938 posts)
109. I like Beto too. But he might be a better VP this time.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:29 PM
Jan 2019

We’ll see. I’m enthused for the first time in spite of liking numerous people.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
89. I believe she can win.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:00 PM
Jan 2019

The great thing is that I think we have several candidates who can win. It's a good situation to be in!

madville

(7,404 posts)
101. She gets a pass for throwing Al Franken under the bus for some reason
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:13 PM
Jan 2019

I haven't forgiven her for that. Sanders, Warren, Booker and the ring leader Gillibrand don't get a pass on it either of course. I'll look for someone else that doesn't destroy a fellow well-loved Democrat's career in order to advance their own.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
111. Somehow, ....
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:33 PM
Jan 2019

I definitely hold Gillibrand responsible. She was the face of the ouster movement, and the most outspoken. Harris joined in, but not right away. Booker was late in the game, as was Warren, or at least I heard about them after others.

So although it matters, I hold the ringleaders mainly responsible. Although that makes the others followers, not leaders, which is a big problem in and of itself. I think that is a problem with several of the candidates; they aren't natural leaders. We're talking leader of the free world, for gosh sakes.

Sherrod Brown also jumped on the bandwagon. Disappointing.

I wonder if there will be any Democratic candidates who didn't vote to oust Franken? Biden, if he decides to run.

madville

(7,404 posts)
112. I agree
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:43 PM
Jan 2019

I actually find it more troubling they jumped on Gellibrand's coattails, to me that is almost worse than being the leader because they made the decision to join in so it would benefit them later politically but I think it backfired with many in the base that love Franken.

pnwmom

(108,960 posts)
133. Biden has faced criticism for being physically affectionate with women, so he would have been nuts
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 03:21 AM
Jan 2019

to have condemned Franken's behavior.

From New York Magazine (not a right-wing site):

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2015/02/9-times-joe-biden-whispered-in-womens-ears.html

Joe Biden is the vice-president of the United States of America, but he is the president of Awkwardly Whispering in Women’s Ears. This morning, Stephanie Carter, the wife of new Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter, became the newest victim of Biden’s war on ears when he whispered sweet nothings with his hands planted firmly on her shoulders. This, it seems, is a favorite tactic of ol’ Uncle Joe. Here are eight other times Biden was caught creepily murmuring in ladies’ ears.

pnwmom

(108,960 posts)
132. That would eliminate EVERY woman Senator but one -- because they ALL signed the letter
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 03:16 AM
Jan 2019

except for Amy, and she said the only reason she didn't sign was because she works alongside him.

Those women were there IN the Senate, and they were talking to the young women Congressional staffers -- including the ones who complained about his behavior. I trust their judgement of the situation. I'm sorry that Al Franken, who I think is a good person, got caught up in a cultural sea change. His kind of joking around is no longer acceptable with many women. And he did the right thing to resign when he did.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
140. That isn't what Amy said.
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 11:16 AM
Jan 2019

She said she spoke with him privately, instead. I THINK she said she thought an ethics investigation might be appropriate. She didn't say she didn't jump on the bandwagon because she works with him. She's fine. She did the right thing.

Biden - That's Biden's personality. I did see a story on his touchy feely ways. Nothing inappropriate, IMO. Or at least, I'm okay w/the way he is.

pnwmom

(108,960 posts)
141. I heard her say that she didn't because she works with him.
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 11:52 AM
Jan 2019

With regard to Biden, the question isn't whether either of us are okay with his ways -- it's about how the women and girls felt who he was nuzzling. And there are a bunch of photos out there of very uncomfortable looking women and girls he's gotten too close too.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/08/politics/amy-klobuchar-senate-al-franken-minnesota/index.html

Washington (CNN)Democratic Sen. Amy Klobuchar, who serves in the Senate representing Minnesota with Al Franken, explained Friday that she didn't publicly ask Franken to resign this week because of their relationship.

"I had condemned his conduct early on when the first allegation was made," she told CNN's Dana Bash on "Inside Politics." "I felt I was in a different role as his colleague, that I'm someone that has worked with him for a long time, there's a lot of trust there, and I felt it was best to handle it in that way."

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
142. They ALL worked with him.
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 11:57 AM
Jan 2019

Esp those on the committees with him. Gillibrand made a point of stressing that she and Franken are friends.

I'm okay with her actions in not jumping on the bandwagon. She made an independent decision. She didn't go along to get along. I'm okay w/Biden, too, as far as this sort of thing goes. I'm NOT okay with Biden's legislative history: he sponsored the bill that prevents Americans from including medical bills in bankruptcies. Delaware, his state, is the corporate home to many corporations, whom Biden catered to.

pnwmom

(108,960 posts)
143. Amy worked closely with him on a daily basis since they were both on the Minnesota delegation.
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 12:02 PM
Jan 2019

I'm fine with her decision not to join in.. But I don't think anybody should be ruling out, as a Presidential candidate, ALL the other women of the Senate simply because they signed the letter.

With regard to Biden, are you okay with how Stephanie Carter and the young girls look with Biden look in these photos?

From New York Magazine:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2015/02/9-times-joe-biden-whispered-in-womens-ears.html

Joe Biden is the vice-president of the United States of America, but he is the president of Awkwardly Whispering in Women’s Ears. This morning, Stephanie Carter, the wife of new Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter, became the newest victim of Biden’s war on ears when he whispered sweet nothings with his hands planted firmly on her shoulders. This, it seems, is a favorite tactic of ol’ Uncle Joe. Here are eight other times Biden was caught creepily murmuring in ladies’ ears.



pnwmom

(108,960 posts)
145. What are you talking about? I told you I'm fine with her decision. What IS NOT fine hss nothing to
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 12:08 PM
Jan 2019

with Amy. It's that the poster I was responding to -- not you -- said that signing the letter (that all the women Senators but Amy signed) was enough of a reason to eliminate them as candidates for President. I don't think it's right to eliminate ALL of them except Amy on that basis alone.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
146. Gillibrand was the face of the ouster, so is #1.
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 12:16 PM
Jan 2019

She showed she makes decisions according to what is best for herself. She also said, "“I will serve my six-year term,” during her reelection campaign in 2018. Ha. After winning, within the month she announced she was considering running for President (which we all knew, right?).

I do think that anyone on the list to oust Franken is questionable. The decision to oust someone without even questioning any of the accusers, much less getting any accusations under oath, is a big deal, and shows that the decision was to serve one's own interest.

Those who followed and signed the list are also questionable, because they are followers, not leaders.

Kobuchar distinguishes herself in this regard, for whatever reason. It shows independence and leadership to make a call that goes against the flow.

pnwmom

(108,960 posts)
147. What makes you think the women in the Senate failed to question the accusers who were working
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 12:23 PM
Jan 2019

right there in the Senate with them? And they might even have talked to some others who didn't come forward. This all didn't just happen on a single day.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
149. There were multiple accusers. If any of them had been questioned....
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 12:41 PM
Jan 2019

by the ousters, they would have made that clear. ESPECIALLY if it were under oath, either sworn verbally or by affidavit.

A couple of the accusations, I didn't even regard as harassment, even if true.

This accusation thing has reached a fever pitch, with some ridiculous or unfair results, and does harm to the legitimate harassment accusations (all under oath).

pnwmom

(108,960 posts)
161. I don't think they would have necessarily advertised it if they had personally talked to staffers
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 04:33 PM
Jan 2019

involved. If the staffers were most comfortable reporting anonymously, and justice could prevail by asking him to resign, then it would make sense for them to handle it as they did. If he had then asked for a full scale investigation instead, then they would have had one.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
162. Please stop hounding me about this. It wasn't reported ANYWHERE...that ANYONE...
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 05:22 PM
Jan 2019

from Congress every spoke to ANY of them. None of the Senators ever said they did, either. Geez! Get a grip. This is not a Clue game. Some things are just apparent.

I'm not going to respond to this line of nonsense, any more.

 

MrGrieves

(315 posts)
122. Russians Bots or the bros are going HARD after her on FB
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 12:34 AM
Jan 2019

Shit that is being said about her is crazy. The ratio is really bad. They are not wasting any time slinging mud at her.

summer_in_TX

(2,713 posts)
123. What impressed me the most was the love.
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 12:39 AM
Jan 2019

Kamala radiated love, real love, to her hometown crowd and many supporters, and joy.

Yes, she is clearly brilliant, strong, and unflappable. Her speech was very effective, forceful, and inspiring.

I'd only seen excerpts of her during hearings and in interviews before, and while she displayed the effective prosecutor that she is, I wondered about factors such as likability. Of course, I'd picked up on the degree of buzz about her but wanted to know more about the characteristics that are also required. After watching and listening to the whole speech, I'm very impressed.

I believe she can and will go the distance. I'll support whoever the nominee is, but it'll take someone phenomenal to do better than I think she is going to.

Kali

(55,004 posts)
124. yeah I like her a lot
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 12:51 AM
Jan 2019

we have some really great candidates

another I would like to see getting in is Klobuchar, I think she could be good too.

yuiyoshida

(41,819 posts)
125. BY THE WAY, the Russian Trolls are focused on her now...
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 01:18 AM
Jan 2019

I got attacked by some trolls in my support for Kamala. They said they were "Bernie Bros" but I am sure they were Russians... I blocked them!

 

Apollyonus

(812 posts)
128. Is there daylight between them?
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 01:34 AM
Jan 2019

After all, Tad Devine was Manafort's buddy working for the same oligarchs.

I don't believe in coincidences.

yuiyoshida

(41,819 posts)
130. Bernie or Busts people...
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 01:44 AM
Jan 2019

Bernie Bros.. don't know if they are tied to Russia But I wouldn't doubt it.

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
131. I certainly hope she is not the nominee.
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 03:07 AM
Jan 2019

Her call for Senator Frankin to resign shows she lacks the judgement to be President, in my opinion.

pnwmom

(108,960 posts)
134. You keep saying that. But SHE and not you had the chance to talk IN PERSON
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 03:25 AM
Jan 2019

to the Congressional staffers who were among the women complaining about Franken. And she and ALL the other women Senators except Amy signed the letter. And Amy made it clear she stayed out of the decision because she and he worked together.

https://www.vox.com/2017/12/7/16742442/female-senators-al-franken-resigns

Gillibrand kicked off the campaign Wednesday morning. According to CNN, women in the Senate had been weighing how to respond to the growing number of accusations against Franken. When a seventh woman — a congressional aide — came forward, describing Franken's attempts to kiss her in 2006, they decided to speak up.

"Their patience had worn incredibly thin," a congressional aide told CNN.

So Gillibrand posted her message on Twitter, followed by similar messages from Sens. Claire McCaskill (MO), Maggie Hassan (NH), Mazie Hirono (HI), Patty Murray (WA), and Kamala Harris (CA).


Senator Patty Murray

@PattyMurray
I’m shocked and appalled by Senator Franken’s behavior. It’s clear to me that this has been a deeply harmful, persistent problem and a clear pattern over a long period of time.

It’s time for him to step aside.



Their calls spurred several male colleagues to do the same. By the end of the day, about 32 Democratic senators had asked Franken to resign.

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
151. I can and will have any litmus test I want
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 12:53 PM
Jan 2019

At least for the primary season, at to what makes a candidate acceptable to me. Anyone who called for Senator Franken to resign does not have the judgement to be President. I will keep saying that and you can keep trying to explain it away.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
136. It's still early so we'll see
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 09:51 AM
Jan 2019

But the fact that both the horseshoe left and the horseshoe right are scared shitless and teaming up to fight her is a good sign...

Kamala/Beto '20

FailureToCommunicate

(14,007 posts)
137. Liked her speech. Liked her interview on Rachel's show. She seems like the
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 09:59 AM
Jan 2019

real deal. I really liked that she declared at a huge rally, instead of meekly like some of the other candidates.

I've added her to the my list of Democrats to support with $:

https://kamalaharris.org

?1548632341767

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
148. Whoever is the nominee I hope and suspect we will all get behind her/him.
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 12:30 PM
Jan 2019

I know it’s a lame statement. It’s like when you are having a baby and people what do you want a girl or boy and response “ I don’t care I just hope the baby is healthy”. No duh! We see what happens when Dems stand united. Yes vigorous debate should be should occur when selecting a candidate but once that is done, we lock down support.

cstanleytech

(26,251 posts)
150. Honestly just about anyone could win this thing as we have months to go nola.
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 12:45 PM
Jan 2019

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What we really need to do though is avoid what happened the last time and not take snipe shots at each other nor the candidates thus causing hard feelings and dividing us as only united will we beat Trump.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
165. I Agee
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:37 PM
Jan 2019

Although after watching Kamala last night, she has what it takes and did a great job of answering questions.

As for not taking snipe shots and causing hard feelings, I also agree, but I see more and more attacks here from low count posters who probably are going to continue to divide DU just like they did in the lasts presidential election, and primary. Trolls gotta troll, and I have a feeling more trolls will be coming here to use the "divide and conquer" tactics once again.

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