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Thu Sep 6, 2012, 11:15 PM Sep 2012

"THESE united states" -- appropriating some republican pro-southern language

american grammarians have often said, tongue-in-cheek, that the civil war was a linguistic dispute as to whether "united states" was singular or plural.

by finishing his speech with god bless "these" united states, obama made a subtle appeal to virginia and north carolina, or at least neutralized some of the republican linguistic appeal by using the plural form.

good move, imho, as i don't think it can possibly cost votes -- the most of us just think of it as a bit archaic and/or poetic. but this is the sort of thing a good politician does to appear to key constituents as "one of them" rather than "other".

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"THESE united states" -- appropriating some republican pro-southern language (Original Post) unblock Sep 2012 OP
Then there was the "USA USA" anthem matt819 Sep 2012 #1
I think it's a subtle yet genuine choice. BadgerKid Sep 2012 #2
Agree. Good use of sermons that resonate for NC unc70 Sep 2012 #3

BadgerKid

(4,551 posts)
2. I think it's a subtle yet genuine choice.
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:03 AM
Sep 2012

Not lecturing, but just thinking aloud: The thing about collective nouns is that you can refer to the particular members or to the entity which they comprise together. In the spirit of the President's message -- what he's been reminding us of -- is that it's the voters who are supposed to be driving this country. We are the change.

unc70

(6,110 posts)
3. Agree. Good use of sermons that resonate for NC
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 11:10 AM
Sep 2012

Last edited Sat Sep 8, 2012, 04:02 PM - Edit history (1)

There were a lot examples throughout the convention that resonated with the Southern experiences, of shared struggles, of forgiveness and reconciliation, about we not me, citizenship with many layers, and so much more.

John Lewis told of forgiving and reconciling with the man who had beaten him when. Lewis was an early Freedom Rider. The Lincoln story, the hardships and burdens that flow from war.

The Lincoln story connects back to Obama's speeches four years ago, but now reminds of Lincoln's First Inauguarel Address which restated the Republican platform that held to the status quo regarding slavery plus the Corwin Amendment adding slavery to the. Constitution.

In addition to the obvious parallels, the Lincoln story is well known as the starting point of several sermon outlines used by pastors. Typical variants use additional Lincoln quote: failed sermon, armies praying to same God (maybe adding Twain's Prayer), being on God's.

Sermon on Commitment, or on not presuming to know God's will, or on struggle, or on civil rights, or on patience, civility, or long journey to place we cannot yet see.



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