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****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/29/20 THREAD 7**** (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 OP
Sheldon Whitehouse question to WH counsel demanding he answer the question about when BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #1
blah blah blah RANDYWILDMAN Jan 2020 #4
The Executive Branch is still trying to invalidate the Legislative process BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #2
So NOW the precident that the Pubs are saying staates the full house had to vote beefore a valid napi21 Jan 2020 #3
House failed to do magic incantations required by Phull-o-bull Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #7
thank you for your many threads pangaia Jan 2020 #5
Biden! Burisma! dogs sleeping with cats! will no one think of the squirrels! Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #6
Q. (Hawley, Cruz, etc) - to House first. Biden question re: Shokin and ethics advice BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #8
wish someone could say "I object" and have a judicial ruling 5X Jan 2020 #9
Demmings responding - noting that it was documented that Shokin was a corrupt prosecutor BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #10
cc can't handle truth -- stopped as Demings began to speak :) Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #11
Q. Kaine to House Managers - Doesn't Drumpf's mention of Ghouliani's name establish the purpose BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #12
dream team: have Colludy Rudy testify, then trumPutin testify and compare Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #13
Nadler response - established Ghouliani's key role in executing the pressure/smear campaigns BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #14
Q (Rubio, et al) -To Dershowitz - How can one remove a President if there is such a divide by party? BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #15
And now Dershowitz fabrications... BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #16
Jesus, Dershowitz...😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 nolabear Jan 2020 #19
and now we get the Dershowtz dance again Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #17
Dersh's argument about Trump's "dual-motives" was embarrassingly oasis Jan 2020 #23
Captain Underpants is so disingenuous. C_U_L8R Jan 2020 #18
Q. Klobachar - Was on the impeachment trial for a judge - 26 witnesses were heard, 17 had not been BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #20
Schiff response-How is it possible that time of the Senate could be occupied for a judge impeachment BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #21
Schiff slamming DT's lawyers for using such an argument. Bet they're thrilled! n/t napi21 Jan 2020 #22
Q, What is the diffrence between the impeachment of a judge and a President? BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #24
Dershowitz is an idiot - a "President is irreplaceable" BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #25
Q. (short) President claimed that it was "okay" to invite foreign involvement in the elections or BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #26
And Philbin bullshitted the answer. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #27
Another 8 hours tomorrow?????????????????????? MFGsunny Jan 2020 #28
****15 MINUTE RECESS - until 10PM ET**** BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #29
PBS talked to Angus King ... Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #30
****BACK IN SESSION**** BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #31
RESUME elleng Jan 2020 #32
Q. (Loefler + other Rs) - As a fact witness handling the whistleblower, is that not a process issue? BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #33
Philbin back to the fabrication about the whistleblower and the Intelligence Committee BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #34
you don't get to question the whistleblower's "motive" Takket Jan 2020 #35
You and your logic. crickets Jan 2020 #44
I put the bdamomma Jan 2020 #36
Q. (Peters D-MI) - Can an impeached corrupt plan accutally succeed? BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #37
does anyone know when the vote on witnesses is? Takket Jan 2020 #38
pretty sure it will be Friday Kali Jan 2020 #42
Philbin lies Karma13612 Jan 2020 #39
Lofgren - describing how an "attempt" to succeed at a criminal act BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #40
Slide: pRESIDENT tRUMP MUST BE REMOVED: NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW Mersky Jan 2020 #41
Lofgren - noting that during the impeachment, Ghouliani was still travelling to Ukraine BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #43
Q. Baraso (Risch, Pauly, Moran) Can the Senate convict a President for exercising his BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #45
yeah that's it Kali Jan 2020 #46
Trump atty cites Turley and Derschowitz, saying the House charges themselves are unconstitutional Miles Archer Jan 2020 #49
Philbin bullshitting on that leading question because what was done BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #47
"can the president be removed from office for exercising their constitutional powers" Takket Jan 2020 #48
Exactly, but the question was worded that way on purpose to allow for the BS argument. nt crickets Jan 2020 #55
rinse and repeat bdamomma Jan 2020 #50
they're kissing tr's a**, sad if not so damaging. elleng Jan 2020 #52
How is ignoring the will of Congress by withholding approved aid to a foreign power crickets Jan 2020 #51
The defense's argument for a unitary dictatorship makes me ill. C_U_L8R Jan 2020 #53
No dumbass. This is not a parliamentary system BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #54
Q. Previous answers was that accepting things of value was okay - based on propganda spread BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #56
WH is now arguing that it's okay to ask for a foreign power to interfere BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #57
This is blatantly contradicting the Constitution. crickets Jan 2020 #64
Yes bdamomma Jan 2020 #67
A failed scheme does not make it okay. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #58
Schiff - "That's what they call policy but that is what I call corruption." BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #59
Good response from Adam! nt napi21 Jan 2020 #60
Susan Collins bdamomma Jan 2020 #61
Adam Schiff is perhaps the most patriotic person in our land. C_U_L8R Jan 2020 #62
Q. Collins to House Managers - Articles asserted that the President committed bribery BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #63
How many questions has Collins (ME) asked? elleng Jan 2020 #65
Jeffries - responding. Summarizing the issue - pressuring of Ukraine for personal benefit BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #66
Q Gilibrand (Kasim Murphy, Rosen) - how was this different from other holds on foreign assistance BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #68
Jason Crow responding - this is not how normal processes work BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #69
Crow noted that OMB staff in the regular chain in approvals had never had an appointee BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #70
Q. Blount (et al) - What do framers say about the threshhold for impeachment BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #71
.... BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #72
but derder is all dweller Jan 2020 #81
Question from McCaskill.... ooops McSally IcyPeas Jan 2020 #73
WTF? Now he is arguing if you don't have 67 votes beforehand BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #74
I get it bdamomma Jan 2020 #75
Turtle - 2 more questions by each side left. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #76
WTF??!!! Kali Jan 2020 #77
Yup, you heard right! He is a total joke----nt Karma13612 Jan 2020 #80
Dershowitz is out of his mind with his poor Karma13612 Jan 2020 #78
He really is nuts! Don't any of these idiots know if their interpretation of Greywing Jan 2020 #89
Yea, totally pathetic. Karma13612 Jan 2020 #104
You too Greywing Jan 2020 #109
4 questions left. elleng Jan 2020 #79
Q. Murphy - The House has said they would abide by Chief Justice rulings on witnesses and docs BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #82
Looks like the answer is NO! nt napi21 Jan 2020 #84
Suckylow refused to agree. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #83
Q. Wicker to Dershowitz - What danger does this impeachment impose to our citizens? BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #85
No impeachment - may mean no election at all. C_U_L8R Jan 2020 #90
Suckylow bdamomma Jan 2020 #86
threats, fear, don't do what is right because nut jobs are going to have a shit fit Kali Jan 2020 #87
Dershowitz. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #88
Q. Sinema to WH counsel - if the admin notified Congress about holds in Afghanistan and Pakistan BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #91
Philbin now going to attempt to dodge the question BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #92
good question by Sinema Kali Jan 2020 #93
i'm done, they've blinded me with dweller Jan 2020 #94
Now Philbin is making shit up. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #95
Q. Young/Brown to House - was what was submitted overwhelming enough to have brought this to trial BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #96
Listening to ... NanceGreggs Jan 2020 #97
I've tried to keep a sense of humor as they are really horrible Greywing Jan 2020 #100
Schiff responding - if the House followed what they are asking, then they would be told BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #98
Suckylow won't answer the question about witnesses. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #99
Of course he won't .... doesn't like what he is hearing from House managers Greywing Jan 2020 #107
Turtle - adjourning BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #101
Adjourned elleng Jan 2020 #102
***ADJOURNED UNTIL THURSDAY 1PM ET JAN. 30, 2020*** BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #103
What was that phil said a few mins ago? Wasn't withheld to send a signal? Mersky Jan 2020 #105
Thank you all who had the stomach to stay with the threads and help contribute!! BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #106
Thank you for all of the threads crickets Jan 2020 #110
Thank you! BRDS! Mersky Jan 2020 #111
Good night all bdamomma Jan 2020 #108

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
1. Sheldon Whitehouse question to WH counsel demanding he answer the question about when
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:11 PM
Jan 2020

What did the President say, when and to whom regarding the Biden investigation.

Philbin is STILL not answering the question and he mumbled something about stuff that may have been said "in private".

napi21

(45,806 posts)
3. So NOW the precident that the Pubs are saying staates the full house had to vote beefore a valid
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:13 PM
Jan 2020

subpoena can be issued was beecausse it was done that way in ALL impeachments! WOW ALL OF 2 TIMES!

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
5. thank you for your many threads
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:14 PM
Jan 2020

every time i see a new one i try to watch..
or sometimes i just click on it to see what's up.....

but within a minute or 2 i throw up and have to cut it off.

but keep up the good work Bumrush----




BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
8. Q. (Hawley, Cruz, etc) - to House first. Biden question re: Shokin and ethics advice
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:16 PM
Jan 2020

(this from someone whose own President has ignored EVERY ethics advice that was given and the ethics guy resigned )

They're whole bullshit is literally a slight-of-hand. Do what I say and not what I do.

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
10. Demmings responding - noting that it was documented that Shokin was a corrupt prosecutor
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:17 PM
Jan 2020

who didn't investigate corruption. So anything he ever said should not be trusted. So the removal of Shokin would mean that Burisma WOULD BE investigated. And then the Bidens were not involved when this was happening.

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
12. Q. Kaine to House Managers - Doesn't Drumpf's mention of Ghouliani's name establish the purpose
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:19 PM
Jan 2020

of the call?

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
14. Nadler response - established Ghouliani's key role in executing the pressure/smear campaigns
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:20 PM
Jan 2020

for the President. Not meddling in an election - meddling in an investigation.

oasis

(49,339 posts)
23. Dersh's argument about Trump's "dual-motives" was embarrassingly
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:37 PM
Jan 2020

weak. He can't be serious!

No wonder Alan has a hard time getting invites to cocktail parties.

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
20. Q. Klobachar - Was on the impeachment trial for a judge - 26 witnesses were heard, 17 had not been
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:32 PM
Jan 2020

heard in the House. What is different about that versus hearing no witnesses for a President's trial?

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
21. Schiff response-How is it possible that time of the Senate could be occupied for a judge impeachment
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:33 PM
Jan 2020

and is no problem but if the same is asked for a President, then it would take too much time.

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
25. Dershowitz is an idiot - a "President is irreplaceable"
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:39 PM
Jan 2020

meaning the Vice President doesn't exist - AND the Amendments to the Constitution that describe the succession of power don't exist.

Lala land.

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
26. Q. (short) President claimed that it was "okay" to invite foreign involvement in the elections or
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:44 PM
Jan 2020

for investigations and that has to be illegal.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,271 posts)
30. PBS talked to Angus King ...
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:06 PM
Jan 2020

King praised Klobuchar's question about 26 witnesses for judge impeachment, 0 for president -- "It doesn't pass the straight face test". Then he went on to poke fun at the notion that the impeachment is keeping the Senate from its business. Said he about fell out of his chair. "We haven't done a lot of business in the Senate."

Takket

(21,529 posts)
35. you don't get to question the whistleblower's "motive"
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:12 PM
Jan 2020

the whistleblower's claims are reviewed by the IG who determines if they are valid and worthy of consideration or not. in short their motivation is not relevant because the CLAIM itself is validated before it is submitted.

crickets

(25,952 posts)
44. You and your logic.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:16 PM
Jan 2020

If they can't out the whistleblower, they'll try to discredit and claim bias instead - anything but a discussion of the facts.

bdamomma

(63,803 posts)
36. I put the
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:13 PM
Jan 2020

remote on mute when a tag team of repig Senators ask the pResidents counsel a stupid question l know it's going to be a duzy.

Karma13612

(4,545 posts)
39. Philbin lies
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:14 PM
Jan 2020

And no chance for House Managers to rebutt unless the next question is open ended.
This can’t be fair.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
41. Slide: pRESIDENT tRUMP MUST BE REMOVED: NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:15 PM
Jan 2020

- Used powers of office to solicit foreign interference

- pResident tRump conditioned military aid and a WH meeting on political investigations

=====================


- Grave consequences

- The pResident remains an ongoing threat

- Acting cHief of sTaff Mulvaney:
- “Get Over It”

____
Originally given as side by side columns

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
43. Lofgren - noting that during the impeachment, Ghouliani was still travelling to Ukraine
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:16 PM
Jan 2020

and digging up dirt and contacting the President.

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
45. Q. Baraso (Risch, Pauly, Moran) Can the Senate convict a President for exercising his
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:20 PM
Jan 2020

Constitutional rights.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
49. Trump atty cites Turley and Derschowitz, saying the House charges themselves are unconstitutional
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:22 PM
Jan 2020

They are really, really moving for a dismissal, rather than a convict / do not convict vote.

Takket

(21,529 posts)
48. "can the president be removed from office for exercising their constitutional powers"
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:22 PM
Jan 2020

what kind of stupid ass question is that? LOL the whole point of this is that he abused his power for personal gain. he doesn't have a constitutional power to do that.

bdamomma

(63,803 posts)
50. rinse and repeat
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:23 PM
Jan 2020

again and again and again Repigs questions being asked. They really want a dictatorship don't they??

No man is above the law.

Crap these lawyers can go to hell.



crickets

(25,952 posts)
51. How is ignoring the will of Congress by withholding approved aid to a foreign power
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:23 PM
Jan 2020

in order to force that foreign power to announce an investigation into a political opponent considered to be 'exercising Constitutional powers?' Wha? The question itself should have been thrown out.

C_U_L8R

(44,992 posts)
53. The defense's argument for a unitary dictatorship makes me ill.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:24 PM
Jan 2020

These people really seem to hate humanity.

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
54. No dumbass. This is not a parliamentary system
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:24 PM
Jan 2020

And it wouldn't be one based on the how the branches are divided and how the President is elected vs where the parties SELECT a PM.

What YOU want is a monarchy.

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
56. Q. Previous answers was that accepting things of value was okay - based on propganda spread
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:26 PM
Jan 2020

by Russia on social media. Shouldn't we do everything we can with our intelligence agencies, to prevent foreign interference in our elections.

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
57. WH is now arguing that it's okay to ask for a foreign power to interfere
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:29 PM
Jan 2020

Began with nothing to see here, then okay we did that because we made it policy. Remarkable lowering of the bar - as long as it is in his re-election interest by claiming it is in the U.S. interest and beyond the reach of the Constitution, then it is not impeachable.

crickets

(25,952 posts)
64. This is blatantly contradicting the Constitution.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:33 PM
Jan 2020

A social studies student can see through the lies. Good for Schiff calling it corruption so forcefully.

I have only checked in now and again because this format has my BP soaring, so hats off in admiration for everyone who has stuck with it.

C_U_L8R

(44,992 posts)
62. Adam Schiff is perhaps the most patriotic person in our land.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:32 PM
Jan 2020

What a hero. I just love his passion for truth and righteousness.

Correction. I love all the house managers. They are doing such a great job.

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
63. Q. Collins to House Managers - Articles asserted that the President committed bribery
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:32 PM
Jan 2020

and if so, why were the criminal citations not included in the articles.

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
66. Jeffries - responding. Summarizing the issue - pressuring of Ukraine for personal benefit
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:34 PM
Jan 2020

Now citing Dershowitz said - a criminal violation *or* something AKIN to one. And the "akin" is what happened in this case.

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
68. Q Gilibrand (Kasim Murphy, Rosen) - how was this different from other holds on foreign assistance
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:38 PM
Jan 2020

and how is assistance to foreign countries supposed to work.

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
69. Jason Crow responding - this is not how normal processes work
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:40 PM
Jan 2020

We have no documents to show that others were aware of the holds.

Compare to Obama's - Congress was TOLD of the hold and why. Never for personal interest. Even previous holds by Drumpfs - for Afghanistan and Central America - they were publicly announced and everyone was in the loop. But this instance was different.

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
70. Crow noted that OMB staff in the regular chain in approvals had never had an appointee
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:42 PM
Jan 2020

interfere with the financial process.

bdamomma

(63,803 posts)
75. I get it
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:48 PM
Jan 2020

and we have seen all the evidence and heard from witnesses. This is really disgusting that they want this POS to be a dictator.

The Constitution is being shredded by these thugs.


Kali

(55,004 posts)
77. WTF??!!!
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:49 PM
Jan 2020

don't vote the way you should vote because there isn't a supermajority anyway???? what a fucking fucker!!!

Karma13612

(4,545 posts)
78. Dershowitz is out of his mind with his poor
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:49 PM
Jan 2020

Logic.

So, don’t vote for conviction unless you know it will be a supermajority.

Gawd

Greywing

(1,124 posts)
89. He really is nuts! Don't any of these idiots know if their interpretation of
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:55 PM
Jan 2020

the constitution is correct the next president could have them investigated and thrown in jail? Just claim national security issue or interfering in some kind of presidential prerogative or whatever a POTUS wants to claim and they're done? They are just so stupid ...

Weaponization? That's what this so called defense team is trying to justify right now!

Karma13612

(4,545 posts)
104. Yea, totally pathetic.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 12:08 AM
Jan 2020

But, it’s finally over for tonight!
Time for sleep and another session to face tomorrow!

Have a good night

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
82. Q. Murphy - The House has said they would abide by Chief Justice rulings on witnesses and docs
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:51 PM
Jan 2020

and would the WH counsel do the same?

C_U_L8R

(44,992 posts)
90. No impeachment - may mean no election at all.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:56 PM
Jan 2020

Dershowitz is cynically selling out the country. Nothing will stop Trump when he is emboldened and powered with absolute immunity.

bdamomma

(63,803 posts)
86. Suckylow
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:54 PM
Jan 2020

was out of his fucking mind.

And now this question being asked our names "the American people" was invoked, when they have no idea what we think.

Did anyone hear that question, what is this action going to


What specific danger does this impeachment pose to our republic, to its citizens?

Kali

(55,004 posts)
87. threats, fear, don't do what is right because nut jobs are going to have a shit fit
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:55 PM
Jan 2020

shut up, underwearman

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
91. Q. Sinema to WH counsel - if the admin notified Congress about holds in Afghanistan and Pakistan
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:56 PM
Jan 2020

in 2019 and they were told why. But why was Congress not notified about the hold for Ukraine and what steps would be needed to resolve?

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
92. Philbin now going to attempt to dodge the question
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:58 PM
Jan 2020

and now he is botching about "sending a signal" And now back to "burden sharing".

Kali

(55,004 posts)
93. good question by Sinema
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:58 PM
Jan 2020

evil Bill Nye now saying the secrecy was a benefit. jeebus they are so shameless

Greywing

(1,124 posts)
100. I've tried to keep a sense of humor as they are really horrible
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 12:05 AM
Jan 2020

I'm just so angry that they are allowed to stand there and lie and lie and lie!

BumRushDaShow

(128,539 posts)
98. Schiff responding - if the House followed what they are asking, then they would be told
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 12:03 AM
Jan 2020

it was invalid because it would be 2 charges. The House was going to charge Constitutional crimes ("abuse" of power).

Greywing

(1,124 posts)
107. Of course he won't .... doesn't like what he is hearing from House managers
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 12:08 AM
Jan 2020

because they make sense and none of tRump defenders do.

Can you imagine saying a Chief Justice's subpoena is not valid and the Chief Justice is sitting right there? The utter gall!

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
105. What was that phil said a few mins ago? Wasn't withheld to send a signal?
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 12:08 AM
Jan 2020

Hmm? Wasn’t a signal? NO SIGNAL? No clear POLICY SIGNALS? Hmmm?

Was he just pulling that outta the air?

___
That wouldn’t hold up to real scrutiny, would it?

bdamomma

(63,803 posts)
108. Good night all
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 12:08 AM
Jan 2020

call your Reps and Senators we need witnesses and documents to conduct a fair trial.

Thanks again BumRushDaShow.

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