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KT2000

(20,568 posts)
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:27 AM Jan 2020

The election will be hacked

by the Russians and the republicans we are watching prop up trump will prop up a stolen election. I wish the managers would introduce that to the American public.

I just watched The Great Hack about Cambridge Analytica and one thing that was telling was their way of using smaller countries to test their methods. That has already happened with hacks into American government agencies. We know about the ones where they were caught but are there others that were not caught. No one is doing much to stop this from happening.

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The election will be hacked (Original Post) KT2000 Jan 2020 OP
yes Grasswire2 Jan 2020 #1
+1 this. However, more like "fixed" rather than "hacked" diva77 Jan 2020 #2
Thanks - KT2000 Jan 2020 #4
The problem is, Turin_C3PO Jan 2020 #5
Will the msm stand up? Or play along for ratings? BSdetect Jan 2020 #14
Countries that think the Dems will help them (or who hate Trump) will hack for us. It's inevitable. NCLefty Jan 2020 #3
I read that Dems need a 12 point lead just to break even with BigmanPigman Jan 2020 #6
Do you have a link to that? It sounds interesting. bearsfootball516 Jan 2020 #15
No, I read it about 6 mo ths ago. BigmanPigman Jan 2020 #16
I don't buy it rockfordfile Jan 2020 #20
What, then? 10%? 9? You gotta know it's something ... dchill Jan 2020 #27
And they only have to rig the few swing state elections to win the electoral college. Kablooie Jan 2020 #7
Been there. Did that. Practice makes perfect! triron Jan 2020 #29
Maybe, but we did win the house back. njhoneybadger Jan 2020 #8
they want trump KT2000 Jan 2020 #9
Those are district level elections, state and national are easier to hack because of centralized uponit7771 Jan 2020 #19
Yes and this scares me!!!! Maraya1969 Jan 2020 #10
Moscow, Moscow, Moscow Mitch denem Jan 2020 #11
Considering the argument Dershowitz has made, the President can do basically anything if he says ET Awful Jan 2020 #12
that he had the nerve KT2000 Jan 2020 #13
can you imagine if Clinton or Obama had gone in front of a GOP Senate and said "L'etat, c'est moi"? renate Jan 2020 #25
That's correct. And any "alleged" hacking will be investigated by Bill Barr ElementaryPenguin Jan 2020 #17
THANK YOU !!! We effectively have no election, Trump already said he will cheat uponit7771 Jan 2020 #18
They need a narrative as well to explain their wins.... Chakaconcarne Jan 2020 #21
Yes... Rider3 Jan 2020 #22
Russians don't have to hack it RepubLIEcons hacked 2000 live love laugh Jan 2020 #23
good point KT2000 Jan 2020 #24
They've never stopped and we've never investigated live love laugh Jan 2020 #28
Everybody talks about just the bad actors. Afromania Jan 2020 #26
No doubt, there is no reason why he shouldn't. Trump has a free hand doc03 Jan 2020 #30
No, they're not... stillcool Jan 2020 #31
From the Rolling Stone, Jan 17, 2020: ancianita Jan 2020 #32
Thank you for posting this KT2000 Jan 2020 #33
I kept bringing this up before during and after DEFCON last year. I don't think Americans pay enough ancianita Jan 2020 #34

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
1. yes
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:43 AM
Jan 2020

When I holler about that, people here blame me of being defeatist.

But Mueller, Wray, Coats and Comey all told us UNDER OATH that election 2020 is being rigged AS WE SIT HERE.

Can't risk waiting for the election.

States are still buying hackable systems.


Mitch refuses to bring legislation to protect elections for a vote!


Localities are still purging voters!

We know what's needed for a safe election.

HAND MARKED PAPER BALLOTS
VOTER VERIFIABLE
BALLOT SECURITY
AUDIT TRAIL
HAND COUNTED

The best info is tracked by Jennifer Cohn. She has a youtube presence, and also on twitter @jennycohn1

diva77

(7,629 posts)
2. +1 this. However, more like "fixed" rather than "hacked"
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:48 AM
Jan 2020

and not just by Russians.

We need to GOTV in LANDSLIDE proportions. If you can choose to have a hand-marked paper ballot -- whether by mail-in or at the polls, do so.

Turin_C3PO

(13,909 posts)
5. The problem is,
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:56 AM
Jan 2020

what can we do about the issues you mention when Republicans control many states? Our only hope is to overcome GOP/ Russian shenanigans by getting a record number of people to vote for our side, up AND down ticket.

BSdetect

(8,994 posts)
14. Will the msm stand up? Or play along for ratings?
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 07:52 AM
Jan 2020

I think they are played by the gop "friends" as much as the targeted general public is conned

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
3. Countries that think the Dems will help them (or who hate Trump) will hack for us. It's inevitable.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:51 AM
Jan 2020

The GOP have opened the floodgates.

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
6. I read that Dems need a 12 point lead just to break even with
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 04:21 AM
Jan 2020

the 12 points we will lose due to hacks, social media, bots, etc.

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
16. No, I read it about 6 mo ths ago.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:43 AM
Jan 2020

One of Bill Maher's guests said the same thing. What is that called in Sports, a Handycap?

Kablooie

(18,608 posts)
7. And they only have to rig the few swing state elections to win the electoral college.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 04:26 AM
Jan 2020

Most of the country they can ignore.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
19. Those are district level elections, state and national are easier to hack because of centralized
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:40 AM
Jan 2020

... counting in states

ET Awful

(24,753 posts)
12. Considering the argument Dershowitz has made, the President can do basically anything if he says
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:35 AM
Jan 2020

he believes it's in the national interest, even when it's regarding his own reelection if he says "it's in the national interest" then it's perfectly fine by Dershowitz' standard.

KT2000

(20,568 posts)
13. that he had the nerve
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:42 AM
Jan 2020

to say that, on the record, tells us how far things have gotten. That in itself should be the reason the republicans should vote for removal.

renate

(13,776 posts)
25. can you imagine if Clinton or Obama had gone in front of a GOP Senate and said "L'etat, c'est moi"?
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:59 PM
Jan 2020

I'm sure they'd have rolled right over just like they're doing now.

ElementaryPenguin

(7,800 posts)
17. That's correct. And any "alleged" hacking will be investigated by Bill Barr
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:29 AM
Jan 2020

Which is very comforting...for Trump and Putin!

Chakaconcarne

(2,433 posts)
21. They need a narrative as well to explain their wins....
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:56 AM
Jan 2020

If we can select a dem candidate that won't give them that narrative, it will make it harder...

Right now, the only candidates I see that won't give them a solid narrative is Buttigieg or Klobuchar.

Can't the house start looking into election issues?

Rider3

(919 posts)
22. Yes...
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 12:14 PM
Jan 2020

The "fix" was in before Trump was even took the oath of office, in which he has failed miserably.

live love laugh

(13,078 posts)
23. Russians don't have to hack it RepubLIEcons hacked 2000
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:33 PM
Jan 2020

I don’t understand why we want to look “over there” instead of in our own back yard at our own election vendors and safeguards when we know votes were switched in Florida in 2000.

Afromania

(2,768 posts)
26. Everybody talks about just the bad actors.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 07:12 PM
Jan 2020

If our systems are wide open what stops our allies from counterhacking? I mean, most of the entire world needs us to stop being insane. For that to happen the gop and the trump mob has to go. If I were in say South Korea/Japan I'd have my cyber command ready to make sure that dump gets tossed. Him being in power puts that whole area in danger from that idiot he "fell in in love" with.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
31. No, they're not...
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:09 PM
Jan 2020

everyone knows. Our elections will be hacked. We've heard it for years. States run their elections as they like. If people just called their Secretary of State's office and questioned the security and accuracy of their vote, things might happen? Maybe an advertising campaign that explains the steps we can take to protect our elections. The people in every state need to act. You would think everyone would want their vote to count. This federal government we have now, is useful to no one.

ancianita

(35,932 posts)
32. From the Rolling Stone, Jan 17, 2020:
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:08 PM
Jan 2020
Anthony Ferrante had just arrived for work at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, next door to the White House, when the first attack hit. Around 7 a.m., internet service went out across the United States and parts of Europe. Reddit, Netflix, and The New York Times website wouldn’t load. Ferrante couldn’t check Twitter for updates because that was down too. “No one knew what it was,” he says. “It was definitely chaotic.”

It was Friday, October 21st, 2016. In two weeks, Americans would pick a new president. When Ferrante, a director in the White House’s cybersecurity team, realized the internet had gone dark across the country, he feared the worst. Ferrante thought he was witnessing a dry run for an attack on the election.

A native of Portland, Maine, with pale Nordic features and a sharp widow’s peak, Ferrante hacked his first computer when he was 10 and studied computer science at Fordham... when the September 11th attacks happened. He quit corporate America, joined the FBI, and specialized in tracking terrorists on the internet; in his first case at the bureau, he helped foil the terrorist plot to blow up the PATH train tunnel between New York and New Jersey. Over the next decade, he rose to become one of the FBI’s top cyber-security agents and helped write President Obama’s directive that created the first chain of command in the event of a major cyberattack on U.S. soil.

...Four years ago, for an embarrassingly modest price, Russia pulled off one of the more audacious acts of election interference in modern history. The Internet Research Agency, the team of Kremlin-backed online propagandists, spent $15 million to $20 million and wreaked havoc on the psyche of the American voter... Russian intelligence agents carried out the digital version of Watergate, infiltrating the Democratic Party and the Clinton campaign, stealing tens of thousands of emails, and weaponizing them in the days and weeks before the election.

Russian-based hackers tested election websites in all 50 states for weak spots, like burglars casing a would-be target. “The Russians were testing whether our windows were open, rattling our doors to see whether they were locked, and found the windows and doors wide open,” says Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), the top Democrat on the Intelligence Committee. “The fact that they didn’t interject themselves more dramatically into our election was, I think, almost luck.”

We’ve made progress since the last election — but we’re much less secure than we should be. To use Sen. Warner’s analogy, the windows and doors are no longer wide open, but the burglars are more sophisticated, and there are a lot more of them than there were four years ago.

They may try to break into our voting systems; they may push online propaganda to merely create the impression of an attack as a way to undermine our faith in the electoral process. “The target is the minds of the American people,” says Joshua Geltzer, a former counterterrorism director on the National Security Council. “In some ways, we’re less vulnerable than we were in 2016. In other ways, it’s more.”

Nearly every expert agrees on this: The worst-case scenario, the one we need to prepare for, is a situation that causes Americans to question the bedrock of our democracy — free and fair elections. If such a catastrophe occurred and the integrity of a national election came into doubt, Michael Daniel, the former cybersecurity coordinator in the Obama White House who now runs the Cyber Threat Alliance, isn’t sure the country would ever be the same.

Experts who study election systems in the U.S. say many flaws remain. Some counties and states still use outdated voting equipment and insecure election software: At the 2018 DEFCON hacker conference, an 11-year-old hacked into a copycat version of Florida’s state election website and changed vote totals in less than 10 minutes.

Only three states conduct mandatory, scientifically rigorous post-election audits to ensure the final vote count is accurate. “We’re still in a situation going into 2020 where there are significant gaps left in the security of election infrastructure,” says J. Alex Halderman, a University of Michigan computer science professor who studies voting equipment. “Until we ensure that all of the doors are locked, there will be ample opportunity for foreign adversaries to disrupt or, in the worst-case scenario, change the outcome of close elections.”


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-election-hacking-russia-iran-ransomware-interference-938109/

ancianita

(35,932 posts)
34. I kept bringing this up before during and after DEFCON last year. I don't think Americans pay enough
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:19 PM
Jan 2020

attention.

We've known what it will take. I posted extensive advice from DEFCON hackers about what would have to be done. Nothing's been done.

Hackers are taking their own inititiative in battleground states, but they are doing this under cover so that they're not obstructed by politicians with an interest in winning by any means necessary.

Our Fifth Column is real.

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