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kentuck

(111,056 posts)
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 07:02 AM Jan 2020

Banned ?

Has John Bolton's book been banned? Or is it in the process of being banned? Will the White House be successful in getting a court order to keep it from being published on March 17th?

What is it in the book that is so threatening to this White House? Are there people in the NSC that believe Donald Trump is a threat to our national security? Do they believe him to be a Russian agent? What information are they keeping from the American people?

When our country begins to ban books, we are in some very dire straits.

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Banned ? (Original Post) kentuck Jan 2020 OP
Suspect the leaks Bolton book leaks will keep coming. Grasswire here at DU empedocles Jan 2020 #1
Publishers won't make dime 1 Mopar151 Jan 2020 #2
I doubt that Simon & Schuster will challenge the White House and publish the book. kentuck Jan 2020 #3
It's already been printed Mopar151 Jan 2020 #16
That's unlikely FBaggins Jan 2020 #27
You must not understand how publishing works. Haggis for Breakfast Jan 2020 #37
Oh... I think I know enough about it to say... FBaggins Jan 2020 #41
The White House made a lot of noise about stopping the publication of A WARNING Mike 03 Jan 2020 #20
They've had the book since December. Solomon Jan 2020 #4
Well, you have seen this administration in action. Scarsdale Jan 2020 #10
I doubt if anyone in Trump's circle could label the oceans and continents. CaptYossarian Jan 2020 #13
That's because the font is small Midnightwalk Jan 2020 #29
They can claim just about anything to keep the book from being published yaesu Jan 2020 #5
Silver lining Wabbajack_ Jan 2020 #6
Bolton may not make any money but if he wants his information known blueinredohio Jan 2020 #7
This surely is a lie - tRump trying to tie everything up in court...... KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2020 #8
Exactly! kentuck Jan 2020 #9
Right. H2O Man Jan 2020 #40
It's been reported last night that 2naSalit Jan 2020 #11
Bolton could just go on the news and start telling what he knows. Scotch-Irish Jan 2020 #34
ONLY excerpts that has security info can be "banned", Not a book. BTW, if as reported that beachbumbob Jan 2020 #12
This would fall under the category of "prior restraint" melm00se Jan 2020 #14
John Roberts should talk about that and re-affirm the "prior restraint" ruling. kentuck Jan 2020 #15
+ 1000 n/t MFGsunny Jan 2020 #17
Trump is not only banning the book, gab13by13 Jan 2020 #18
No. luvtheGWN Jan 2020 #22
No, he hasn't. He hasn't even had his lawyers (as yet) go into court to file a Cease & Desist Order. Texin Jan 2020 #25
So explain then why the NSA gab13by13 Jan 2020 #31
The Senate is closed session is a classified body. Bolton can testify about anything Blue_true Jan 2020 #36
THE BOOK HAS ALREADY CLEARED GOVERNMENT SECURITY EXPERTS. Haggis for Breakfast Jan 2020 #38
When does Trump just The Wizard Jan 2020 #19
I'm dead serious here, gab13by13 Jan 2020 #21
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2020 #23
Simon & Schuster are not novices in the publication of controversial books. Texin Jan 2020 #24
It will be interesting to see if they are willing to engage Trump in a battle. kentuck Jan 2020 #26
They will publish it - calling the White House's bluff!!! ElementaryPenguin Jan 2020 #28
Trump doesn't need to win, he just needs to delay. gab13by13 Jan 2020 #32
Prior restraint out the wazoo greenjar_01 Jan 2020 #30
Just another delay tactic that will backfire on this clown car of maladministration. PandoraAwakened Jan 2020 #33
All they have to do is yell "national security risk" and the Courts will fold. Blue_true Jan 2020 #35
like everything trump does, he'll rely on courts to slow walk it for years spanone Jan 2020 #39

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
1. Suspect the leaks Bolton book leaks will keep coming. Grasswire here at DU
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 07:10 AM
Jan 2020

makes the argument below; basically the book is most powerful now in stopping a quick acquittal.

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
3. I doubt that Simon & Schuster will challenge the White House and publish the book.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 07:25 AM
Jan 2020

They cannot stomach the fight.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
37. You must not understand how publishing works.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:17 PM
Jan 2020

Books can be and are printed months in advance and embargoed until the agreed upon date for release, especially if they think the first run will sell out fast.

John Bolton still has first amendment rights. And his book was thoroughly vetted by government security. If there had been ANYTHING in there that would have compromised national security, it would have been yanked in a New York minute. That nothing has been removed tells you that the book passed the national security clearances it needed to.

Publishers have a long history of fighting for the right to a free and unrestrained press. Court battles are nothing new, as many powerful people have tried and failed in the past to stop publication of books they didn't want to see the light of day.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
20. The White House made a lot of noise about stopping the publication of A WARNING
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:42 AM
Jan 2020

by Anonymous and the publisher laughed about it and published on schedule.

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
4. They've had the book since December.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 07:30 AM
Jan 2020

Why are they talking ban now? If it was all that bad they would have filed suit immediately.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
10. Well, you have seen this administration in action.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:03 AM
Jan 2020

Who among them would be capable of actually READING Bolton's book? They are all too busy lining their pockets to do their real jobs. Pompeo had to have a reporter point out to him just where foreign countries ARE!! There should have been TWO blank maps, then ask the reporter to point out countries while Pompeo was doing likewise. My money would be on the reporter.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
13. I doubt if anyone in Trump's circle could label the oceans and continents.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:23 AM
Jan 2020

Wilbur Ross would still be looking for Mesopotamia and the Ottoman Empire.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
5. They can claim just about anything to keep the book from being published
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 07:44 AM
Jan 2020

If he gets the meat of the book into public record via the trial he may have a chance of fighting the order otherwise it won't be published while dump is pres.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
7. Bolton may not make any money but if he wants his information known
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 07:52 AM
Jan 2020

the book can always be leaked online.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
8. This surely is a lie - tRump trying to tie everything up in court......
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 07:52 AM
Jan 2020

until he's out of office. Of all people, Bolton would know better than to include anything of truly sensitive nature.

KY...........

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
9. Exactly!
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 07:59 AM
Jan 2020

He's written several books. He knows what is classified and what is not. The White House is attempting to ban it.

H2O Man

(73,513 posts)
40. Right.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:09 PM
Jan 2020

It is odd that the very people who worked for him at the White House then, now telling him that they know more about classification than him. While I do not like Mr. Bolton, the guy is intelligent. In fact, he is more intelligent than any person on his defense team in Senate trial now. He is also self-righteous, obnoxiously aggressive, and will have the final word. The only question is when.

2naSalit

(86,384 posts)
11. It's been reported last night that
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:11 AM
Jan 2020

The book is being held by -45 for alleged classified info, however, the letter accompanying the draft for review states that they took great pains to avoid including classified info which is cover for Bolton if they end up leaking the book.

Like the Managers said, "...it's going to come out, one way or another."

 

Scotch-Irish

(464 posts)
34. Bolton could just go on the news and start telling what he knows.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:25 PM
Jan 2020

Which the asshole should have done to begin with!

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
12. ONLY excerpts that has security info can be "banned", Not a book. BTW, if as reported that
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:14 AM
Jan 2020

WH made and distributed copies of the manuscript, then that removes all security related issues from been "banned"

melm00se

(4,987 posts)
14. This would fall under the category of "prior restraint"
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:44 AM
Jan 2020

The Court has set and reaffirmed significant barriers to the government exercising prior restraint.

The (Supreme) Court has held that in order to support an issuance of prior restraint, the government needs to prove that publication would cause inevitable, direct, and immediate danger to the United States.

That my friends is an incredibly high bar that the government needs to overcome.

I don't see that Bolton's book would come even close to that test so if the Trump administration tried to ban Bolton's book, the inevitable lawsuit (and the volumes upon volumes upon volumes of amicus curiae briefs filed by just about every friend of the 1st Amendment) will prevail.

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
15. John Roberts should talk about that and re-affirm the "prior restraint" ruling.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:47 AM
Jan 2020

That would be a good motion for Democrats to make, in my opinion.

gab13by13

(21,264 posts)
18. Trump is not only banning the book,
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:24 AM
Jan 2020

he is forbidding Bolton from talking about it, that way should a miracle occur and he be called as a witness, he wouldn't be allowed to talk about Ukraine.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
22. No.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:09 AM
Jan 2020

Trump has not banned the book, and from whom did you hear that he is forbidding Bolton to talk about it?

Texin

(2,590 posts)
25. No, he hasn't. He hasn't even had his lawyers (as yet) go into court to file a Cease & Desist Order.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:33 AM
Jan 2020

As far as I know, he can't bar Bolton from testifying, as Bolton is no longer working within the administration.

gab13by13

(21,264 posts)
31. So explain then why the NSA
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 01:14 PM
Jan 2020

is taking so long to approve the book? Wonder who is telling the NSA to sit on the book. C'mon man.

If Bolton's book isn't cleared how will he be able to talk about it?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
36. The Senate is closed session is a classified body. Bolton can testify about anything
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:46 PM
Jan 2020

before a closed Senate. Roberts would have to order that.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
38. THE BOOK HAS ALREADY CLEARED GOVERNMENT SECURITY EXPERTS.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:24 PM
Jan 2020

In December !!!

Bolton is not stupid. Neither is Simon and Schuster. This is not anybody's first rodeo. Anything in that book that compromised national security would have been pulled immediately.

I don't know WHO is pushing this "banned" nonsense. There is NO BAN on this book. trumpie can rant and rave until his orange face turns blue. He cannot stop publication of this book. John Bolton has first amendment rights.

And it has already been printed up and is embargoed until 3/17, the agreed upon date for release.

And anybody who thinks the NSA is interested in stopping THIS book obviously doesn't know that Edward Snowden had NO PROBLEM getting HIS book published !

Texin

(2,590 posts)
24. Simon & Schuster are not novices in the publication of controversial books.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:30 AM
Jan 2020

They wrangled in court(s) over C&D filings and injunctions seeking to halt publication of books. They've gone toe-to-toe to protect Bob Woodward's work over the years.

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
26. It will be interesting to see if they are willing to engage Trump in a battle.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:35 AM
Jan 2020

Or if it might be too much of a hassle?

ElementaryPenguin

(7,800 posts)
28. They will publish it - calling the White House's bluff!!!
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:48 AM
Jan 2020

And the White House will be powerless to stop it - because Bolton knows more about what is or isn't classified than the Trump enablers.

They won't sue - because they are lying and they will lose.

it's just more Trump bluster bullshit!


Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
35. All they have to do is yell "national security risk" and the Courts will fold.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:40 PM
Jan 2020

Roberts can obstruct the Senate trial to depose Bolton in a closed, secure session, but I seriously doubt that he does.

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