the jobs are gone.....

The original jobs are gone...

Manufacturing in this country is (slowly) picking up. Local start-ups are picking up. perma-lancing is now considered a viable job system (a few friends of mine treat it like a set of gigs for a musician).

Also, with things like 3D printers, we are just edging into an open source industrial revolution.

and when we have a "free market" instead of a fair market, that is an idealist/naive dream ignoring greed of corp and industry.

I AM talking about today.

Jobs in manufacturing and tech are already coming back to our shores.

I can't speak for the rest of the country, but even Yahoo has posted ads for manufacturing work, here in CT.

"Fair market" is a buzzword, not unlike "family values." It means whatever you want it to.

that still does not address what i said.

I DID address your point.

Jobs are coming back NOW.
there is a nativist open source industrial revolution going on, as we speak.

For that matter, there is that bit in President Obama's speech about saving Detroit.

and your comment about "fair market" is a set of buzzwords.

you continue to reiterate the "hope" of an escalation to the trickling manufacturing jobs coming back. i am addressing jobs RIGHT now, not in the future. and you are using "faith" that without incentives to keep jobs in america or balancing a bit of other countries trade, that corps will not start shifting these jobs once they are established and set to transfer to another country.

you can say "fair market" is a buzzword, dismissing the meaning and repercussion of it all you want. i hadn't heard it. but i have watched economy enough, and been educated enough to know there lacks a fairness, hence my choosing the word without knowledge of it being any kind of buzzword.

so no, you did not address the issues i present.

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2012/08/23/US-manufacturing-slow-but-picking-up/UPI-25861345736100/
http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/11/smallbusiness/manufacturing-alabama/index.htm

Those articles seem to feel that you are wrong.
That's taking place RIGHT NOW.

As to the "fairness." You first have to define "fair."

So, yes, I DID address your points.

Note the steady climb throughout the period with NAFTA, and the steady increase in output generally (including right now), except during the two small and the one large recession. US manufacturing output was not crippled by NAFTA then or now. It was certainly set back by recessions, but I haven't heard anyone blame those on NAFTA.

Now, if you look at the jobs associated with the increases in manufacturing you would note one very important thing - the manufacturing output increases are not associated with an increase in jobs. That's largely because of automation and improvements in technology, which has had a much larger impact on manufacturing jobs that even outsourcing.

Not to minimize the problem, but it should be kept in perspective.

We all know who is slowing this country down...
the GOP has been getting in the way of progress
and it needs to go. GOTV !

Thanks to a combination of the boooosh tax cuts for the rich that destroyed the tax bases for many states (turning surpluses into large defecits), the imposition of unfunded mandates during the booooosh regime and the cutbacks in government spending over the past 3 years, we've seen a shrinking of the public sector that has helped prop up those unemployment numbers. As long as state and local coffers remain bare government spending will remain low and this will also hamper any recovery. Remember, the government is largest employer in the country...especially in this day and age of an "information" society. Raise taxes on those making over 250k a year and watch how states will be able to spend again...

The truth is that choosing to save the ruling class first, wholly, and immediately has left too little to work with for the rest of us. In the last depression, FDR made the government the linchpin, the cornerstone to building a new society with the American citizen at its center. This President has purposely withdrawn government and made it a special assistant to the very people that wrecked the economy and place themselves at its center.

Fortunately, the republican have not chosen to design any recovery at all, rather they want to make it worse, so we should win this one.

which has been locked up in congress by republicans for a year. While they applaud every jobs report that comes out showing weak numbers...