to Fox News and right wing radio non-stop. I am sure that's the culture this child has been brought up with. We hear a lot about what violent video games do to kids, we might be starting to see what right wing hate does to them also.

I guarantee this kid's "reality" is what she gets from Fox and her Dittiot parents.

If so WOW! and if not WOW! to whomever.

The closest I came to that was Mittiot.

actually I use Limbecile more frequently, but variety is good.

Dittiot and Limbecile are so much better than the usual.

Those are GREAT, Doctor_J! I agree with you completely, TexasProgressive!

Those need to be said, read, and SPREAD!!!!!!

I'm Verigreedy formerly GTE.

Central Office tech for more years than I like to think about. Started in the phone biz as a construction cable splicer and entered the CO after a year. It is amazing the changes I've seen. When I first became a CO tech it was mostly electro-mechanical switching. Then came a big push to digital switching, deregulation and breaking Bell. The one thing I have a hard time with is that there seems to be such disrespect for the customers by the PTB.

handling repair calls until att and obt split. i went with att they started moving us around the country to try to elimainate jobs eventually i voluntarily left att to goto college then got rehired in 95 as an outside tech been here since.take care

The thing about 16 year olds is they say and do stupid things like this not realizing the consequences, but I think it gives us an insight to what her parents and others of their ilk are likely saying in private. She ripped the lid right off of that. Lovely.

It's surprising more malleable minds don't make similar posts when considering they listen to HATE RADIO and FOX NEWS 24/7.

If there was a twitter thang during MLK's life there would be thousands of entire families ten-to-ninety-two, twatting hate on a regular basis.

In the early 80's as members of a volunteer fire dept. we got CB radios. There were some folks so far in the woods they had no phones and CB was our contact. We had phone and CB and worked as a message relay system. Radios were pretty quite in my neck of the country, but we took a trip to Florida and were happy to have the radio. Lots of friendly chatter mostly, and warnings of "Bears" or "Smokey" going which ever way or stopped where ever. I liked that common helpfulness. Then we pulled into Phenix Ariz. Every channel was nothing but folks screaming obscenities at each other. Totally unreal. We wondered if there was something in the water... I guess with twitter folks have some identity. Is it like facebook where you are supposed to give your real name, or like DU where you can have real or "User" name?

I have never wished for or advocated his assassination, not even in joking.

It's not hard to imagine some bitter, twisted old hag--angry at how her pathetic life has turned out after a lifetime of stupid, misguided choices has left her stuck and frustrated at the lower rung of society's stinkhole--would type such a thing after putting away most of a bottle of cheap vodka.

I don't understand how she could be so colossally fucked in the head at such a young age.

Assassinations make martyrs. That last damn thing we need is another Republican demigod for them to worship. I wish they'd leave Mount Rushmore alone too, while I'm at it. The Republicans have been eyeballing Mount Rushmore with their Raygun worship a lot in recent years.

The whole alphabet soup of gunned down heroes: JFK, RFK, MLK...Gandhi...Malcolm X as he was transforming away from the NOI...John Lennon.

They would've been more effective alive than as martyrs, imo.

Reagan attempt, what else... ?

Do you favor assassination as a way to even the score, or something?

Right-wing murderers tend to kill left-wing figures. There's very few examples of it going the other way.

Assassination, murder, and terrorism, these are features of how the right "does business" - or at least, how it ants to do so.

I'm surprised more people don't get that.

Still wasn't what I was talking about.

Successful:
James Garfield - Crazy and probably not politically motivated
William McKinley - Are anarchists liberal?
Unabomber victims
SLA victims -in particular Foster who was not conservative but killed because SLA thought he was
Andrew Breitbart (sarcasm)


Attempts:
Reagan of course but not politically motivated
Harry Truman -attempted assassins left of him
George Wallace
Gerald Ford (twice) - would Manson followers be considered liberals?


Questionable if being liberal led to assassination
JFK killed because of hard line against Cuba (could be argued I guess if you do not accept Oswald as shooter)
RFK killed for position on Palestinians (again if you accept Sirhan as assassin)
Huey Long I won't even begin to try to figure that one out

and her comment that Bush should be taken out like Fredo?

Some members weren't, but most were, they were just wrapped in a facade of "Lefty Speak." Just the way both groups treated women speaks volumes, including rape (and not only Patricia Hearst).

Manson wasn't the least bit liberal, and neither was his so-called "Family," although some members like Linda Kasabian had a Hippie and commune background.

And oddly enough...the day before the assassination attempt, there were members of the two families eating lunch?

So...there is no "left wing" conspiracy on the assassination attempt on Reagan...but there are political fingerprints all over it.

Did it come out before 1984 election? It seems Ronnie would have given him the boot just to be safe.

but he was not a liberal. He hated the government and part of his Manifesto had a chapter on "The Dangers of Leftism"...


Another one bites the dust.

although I kind of wish he had gotten hit with those shoes.

That would've made Cheney president.

at the Hague, and I STILL DO.

they had to do it intellectually, with knowledge and not ugliness. was a good exercise for them at a young age.

Why would a 16 year old be that angry at any politician? One would think she'd be worried about her clothes, her hair, her nails, her dates, her friends, TV shows, movies, etc. How get so hateful at that age?

crimes and put in prison. I still do.

Hey stop talking about twisted old hags stuck at the lower rung of society's stinkhole. That resembles me without the bottle of vodka.

I'm becoming a twisted old coot, only my choice of drink is wine.

I agree that I wish the Bush junta had faced some kind of justice for their various crimes.

All we get is hearing Jeb Bush whining and telling us to stop blaming his poor baby brother.

it seems to be a side effect of the kids growing up so much faster now and trying to out Attention each other.

I'm waiting for an apology from her and her parents.....

But it is OK to wish the people in power would use their power to investigate him and enforce the law.

She possibly has a another account #DieYouPieceOfShit. Feel free to post.

Not an account.

Have both forwarded me hateful bigoted veiled threats against the president. And yes, they live in a house with non stop FOX. More than that, they've been home schooled by my high school dropout mother who doesn't believe in climate change or evolution. Those poor delusional misinformed children. I'm sure there are tens of thousands of such kids. I will never understand why Rupert Murdock the lying cheating hacker is allowed to continue to monopolize US airwaves. Big media should be broken up and Murdock should not be allowed to own stations in the US.

We are worried about Sharia law coming to this country ? It is here, under a different name: Evangelical Christian.

to the DNC was after saying that if she met Mitt Romney she might kill him.

despicable. Wonder if we will hear about if/how it was dealt with.

During the Bush administration, and the other Bush administration, and the Reagan administration, and the Nixon administration, many times I said aloud, in a conversation, with a single person or a group of people, that one of those presidents should be shot. Many people did, some with larger megaphones than I. Why? Because I was frustrated with the policies and actions of those presidents.

This is a digital age of instant mass communication, and this girl was expressing the same sort of frustration that I and many others on the liberal side have experienced in the past. The only difference, she has a much, much bigger megaphone than I had in my youth. Yes, she should realize that what she tweets is going to go around the world, that's why I don't tweet. But should we damn her for a sentiment that we've all experienced at one point or another?

..even about the worst of the Presidents.

Several authors expressed that, some, like Hunter Thompson, in graphic detail.

Is it an actual wish that the president die, no, it is an expression of frustration coming out of the realization that there is no way to stop what that particular president is doing.

I remember that slogan.

Also, "Don't change Dicks in the middle of a screw, vote for Nixon in '72."

... who cronicled the Hell's Angels?
His counter-culture came from his time spent with them.
The Hell's Angels, while not always honorable in the public view, were largely a group that enjoyed motorcycles and a life-style that gave rise to *the biker*
Hit movies like The Wild One came from the exposure Hunter Thompson provided
Not always accurate... because he was not one of them... he could only observe
As we all know, observations, without experience, is often fraught with inaccuracies

"The Wild One" was made a decade before Thompson wrote about the Angels. The Wild One was based on a real happening, tho.

what hypocrisy one teaches a child that we are allowed this outrage, but we have no responsibility in our own behavior.

parenting is suppose to take this into account.

When he described, in graphic detail, his deathwish for Nixon(Fear and Loathing '72)?

Do I approve of what this girl did? No, but I recognize that it is an expression of frustration, one that has been made throughout history on both sides of the political aisle. Her only real mistake is that she put it out there for everybody to see rather than keeping it relatively private as others have done.

no....no....it is NOT normal calling for a president to be shot/killed/assassinated.......EVER!!!!!!!!!!

Generally they say it to themselves, or a small group of friends. Do they really actually want the president shot, no, but they are expressing frustration with what is going on.

Go read Hunter Thompson's Fear and Loathing '72, go read Bobby Seal and other counter culture writers through the years. It is much more common than you think.

it is WRONG

People get frustrated and say things in anger. This girl was dumb enough to tweet it to the whole world.

Should be put her in jail for that mistake, should we hound her about it, no, not unless we want to apply the law and the consequences to everybody who has said the same thing about Bush, Reagan, Nixon, et. al.

She did something all sixteen year olds do, a really dumb thing. Hopefully she learns her lesson and moves on.

sometimes you want to make impact with those you are having conversation with
*judgement* means you take care in where... and who your conversation is with
you don't put things like that out when you *should* know the whole world is listening
that girl's judgement was poor
but then again, what lessons did her parents teach her?
16yr olds may think they know everything, but we all know they don't
parents have the responsibility to teach proper behavior
the fail didn't just come from her, but she should have known better

When Bush went on that aircraft carrier with his Mission Accomplished speech, I was wishing he would fall overboard.

having impure thoughts when I see those pictures of a bunch of guys in suits signing anti-abortion legislation. Just thinking about it I'm having some.

I do stop at the President, though. Too disruptive to the country.

a splash in the ocean
Bush *should* have known better when he knew the fight was nowhere near over
Just goes to show kids aren't the only ones displaying bad judgement

and that is the only reason she wants President assassinated.

That is the reddest corner of Ohio.

In contrast to what you said in passing to a group of friends (which was still not ok), she wrote the word 'assassinate' and then sent it out for the world to see. She's a high school girl; her tweets are quite raunchy, mostly about male genitalia and getting drunk. Somehow, her parents never taught her it's not ok to tweet what she did; or worse yet, maybe they share the sentiment.

Sorry, I can't accept your rationalization.

I also prayed for "one well placed lightening bolt" for Cheney.

I loathed W, but never would I have ever advocated for his death. Why would anyone think that, let alone declaim it???

I was too absorbed in my own teen angst... Maybe the good old days were better.

using the link provided in the KOS diary. Poor guy, now he's going to be on the hook for why this girl hasn't learned her civics lessons. Which afterall is his job to see that all the students in his school learn how to be good citizens, respect our gov, challenge gov via civic debate and advocacy, and exercise a citizen's right to change gov at the ballot box--not with bullets.

Wasn't violent overthrow of the gov something that the war against communism was about? This is a teachable moment that I hope Dems latch onto and make a big stink over. Civility and good citizenship, benefits & responsibilities, are learned values.

I don't know about you, but civics was a required class to graduate, when I was in high school (class of '65). Are civics classes being cut as part of the state cuts to public education? Your thoughts, please?

Even seeing a tiny clip of his son as the funeral procession went by, can reduce me to tears.

But with raising my own young daughters (who are now young women,) it was up to ME to instill in them the respect, and the gravity of that time, and what is okay and not okay. Sadly, their friends were raised by parents that just didn't talk to their kids at all. They were pretty much on their own after grade 6. The teens have their own phones, own electronics, etc., and have no real connection with the real world. If it didn't happen on youtube, it didn't happen. Most of their friends are self absorbed and shallow, and it wouldn't occur to them that saying shit like that was illegal and immoral. They live in this weird privileged techno-bubble. Trust me.. my girls KNOW what's right.

friends list, and I'm horrified by a lot of what they say. I hide their feeds for the most part, but on a birthday or something when I end up on their page, I see how they and their friends use all sorts of slurs and sexist/bigoted terms (their friends are diverse and it's interesting to see how both black and white kids openly call each other the "n" word, playfully, of course) Not sure what's to blame, but my first guess would be a poor educational curriculum that doesn't challenge them or hold them accountable, little or no responsibilities, spoiled at home, plenty of time to post ignorant things on social media.

Reporting Alyssa doesn't bring me much comfort because I know that she's incapable of "getting it." She's incapable of understanding what she did wrong. It troubles me that someone that young could have such a cruel, uncaring attitude and so little common sense.

reminded me of an incident I witnessed, now close to 20 years ago, at the law firm I worked at in DC. One of the paralegals, a lovely Cuban woman who had been married to an African-American, was raising their daughter as an African-American, and who after she divorced her first husband had married an African-American man with 2 sons, was chatting with a couple of the word processors about the weekend. I should note that the word processors were also African-Americans. Anyway, Missy (not her real name) had had a rough weekend - her older stepson had been arrested for shoplifting. Her commentary included several uses of the n word to describe him and his friend who had also been arrested. Meanwhile, one of the associates and I, both white, were in an office across the hall, able to hear the entire conversation and were just sitting in total bemusement. Finally one of the word processors looked over, saw us and the expressions on our faces and burst into laughter, outing us to the group with "you should see the looks on X and Y's faces". I had the chance to talk to Missy one on one later in the day because we had to drive to a client's office and pick up a signed document. She made no excuses for using the n word, said that her sons and daughter used it all the time with their friends and so did she and her husband. She also told me it was ok for her to use it because she was considered to be African-American by her husband's family, and the rest of their family were indeed African-Americans, but that for me to use was racist. My response was that a word was demeaning and racist no matter who or how it was used. I won't get into the dressing down I got from her for using the word "niggardly", although she apologized when I showed her the word's derivation.

It is the only way to stop this shit. You can guarantee if a black kid threatened Romney, he would find himself behind bars.

This is just a preview of coming attractions if the GOP gets what it wants and runs the country. Hate and intolerance will rule the day.

and just saying anything without worry of consequence...

The funny part is she strikes me as someone who couldn't even be bothered to vote, even if she was of age...

it would be nice for it to actually be acknowledged and recognized how this effects us and not just simple words typed out. but, becomes our reality. and then, with the net, it is a lot easier to get confirmation the behavior is not only acceptable, cheered, but other people feel the behavior is fine too. which just escalates the problem.

Not cyberbullying -- but bullying. He's gay. Luckily, most of the time he can stand up to what he hears. Last week on his campus he shut down a street preacher who said Jesus died for the sins of homosexuals. He had people coming up to him afterward congratulating him on standing up to that jerk. Yesterday in one of his classes he had to sit while a bunch of people started going off on gays. He said he was afraid to say anything because he would have been swarmed and the classroom was small. It could have gotten ugly fast. This upset him greatly.

I make no bones about how afraid I am for him in this society. It can only get worse.

Best wishes and strength to your son. His eyes are open; no need to make him afraid. He's brave.

Bravery is being fully aware of the situation and the risks and the goals; and then doing what needs to be done. Fools rush in or stumble in.

He has wisdom. Sometimes discretion is the better part of valour.

Overall, I have a feeling he will do very well and help our society.

At the end of his dialogue with the street preacher, he told the man that he forgave him for what he was saying, and held out his hand for a friendly shake. The preacher at first acted afraid and then shook my son's hand **only** after the crowd goaded him into doing so. In my opinion, my son exhibited more Christlike behavior that day than the fool he was arguing with, who claimed to have God on his side.

My son's been out since he was a sophomore in high school. He was one of a couple of kids who started a gay-straight alliance at his school, and he just heard from a former teacher there that this year membership has increased, and that kids are becoming more openly accepting and tolerant of each other.

So, yeah...I'm very proud of him.

Your son may be interested in this piece of history:
Sept. 22 is Oliver W. Sipple Day in San Francisco, which honors the man who in 1975 grabbed the arm of Sarah Jane Moore when he saw her aiming a .38-caliber pistol at Gerald Ford outside the St. Francis Hotel in San Francisco.

No, S.F. is not gaga over the half-term president. Instead, Sipple has for more than one-third of a century been used as a symbol of homosexual awesomeness for the gay rights movement -- even though he wasn't officially out at the time.

(A search will turn up information on his life, Herb Cane outed him in an article, Billy was helping Harvey Milk at the time, and being outed was bad with his family. Glad you are being so caring.)

she is old enough to be made to understand the import of her words. good grief. this is sad.

"#DieYouPieceOfShit."

Really? I mean her hateful, stupid, ignorant, tweet was bad enough. I mean, bad enough to earn her a visit from the Secret Service (then her fox lovin' parents or boyfriend can whine about the Govt ganging up on a teen," But her hashtag, is even more revealing "#DieYouPieceOfShit." Really? She is saying to the PResident "DIE" and calling him a "piece of shit."

Where the fuck did that girl get her ideas???? How could someone be that hate filled and ignorant by 16?

(oh and by the way, she's not a "hairdresser." You have to attend school, and have a license. She obviously likes to play with her friend's hair, let's not insult professional hairdressers.

HER PARENTS, friends in the neighborhood, at school, online, boyfriend............she's picked this up from somewhere - most kids under 16 could care less about politics.

At 16 she stated she drinks, gets drunk, etc.

That's where we have to look - she's only the tip of the iceberg, I bet there's much more under the water line.

It's got to stop & it has to be exposed each and every time. Kudos to you, kpete!

The hate, the racism, the fear, those are not going to build the country.

Educate, educate, educate, never be silent.
Call it out every time, end this for once and all.

the old Rodgers and Hammerstein musical "South Pacific" called "You've Got to be Taught" which is all about this kind of hatred.

I was pretty young too -



Rodgers & Hammerstein "South Pacific"

You've Got to Be Taught


You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!

i had never been. Have been trying to convince myself that I am adult enough to be able to follow karlrove on Twitter. So after all my rush from Obama's words...see what 'they' were seeing/saying. Oh merciful God in heaven. Choosing to practice liberl and progressive Christianity is easy, living in a world where its constantly under attack by both sides is not.


The vile, angry hatred spewed onto my screen, like a drunk with the heaves. Truly this face fits


NOW I am concerned for the safety of the one person democracy needs in charge Today.
Maybe its cause I never got over JFK and RFK and MLK, or Kent State and this year at UCDAVIS. I don't know if its what my faith is founded upon, but both extremes need to heal. You can't build a bridge if you are building a wall. Sounds like somewhere it will be the middle between the two that will be where bridges are built. It's not me, I don't have that kind of resilience get too hurt too deeply and too easily, its a Joe Biden that could lead this. See it bothers me deeply, when Paul Wellstone ran against Rudy BOSHWITCH, there's Paul with his old green bus and that smile that just melts ice. He began rising in the polls, Professor Wellstone might go to D.C. I don't know if someone said it or I dreamt it, suddenly I feared he would be killed. When that plane went down with he and Sheila and so many, my gut response was :"The Sons of B..... killed him."

Some folks we just can't afford to lose, that our history both future and past are needed for. From what this 16 year old posted, until 2 a.m. I was see the same mindsets, oh its here on DU but not in overwhelming numbers. AND it may be vile but murder doesn't seem to be a focus or intent. Seriously I wonder how many "Stephens" will need to be killed by these "Sauls of Taursus" before the Light blinds them. OF course not having the brains got gave a rock, I posted as much...but was totally ignored. And the second time used Galatians 6:2.

All of us need to find some higher ground, one side a lot more than the other. And there's a good reason, a 16 year's posting.

to threaten a President, makes you an enemy of the State, with consequences of death in how many countrys?

You know how they talk about Obama's favorability numbers, right? I always hear that he's popular and likable, and yet there's this intense level of animus directed at him. Prominent Republicans like Limbaugh and Beck have made up countless lies about him, and their fans readily believe what they say. I have already heard more RW weirdos (such as this girl) call for his assassination in one term than Bush Jr. in two terms combined.

I haz them.

that this is what they raised. maybe a wake up call for all three of them.

except, they will probably blame the school and obama.

Anyone know where this is happening? I would be interested in reading what people have to say about it. Its probably something that has been posted in DU from time to time and gone over. Its still a powerful topic, and shows where this country has gone in the last 8 to 12 years. This is not something that is going to go away.. in fact, it has seemed like its been amplified lately.

Maybe it's time for a serious dialog in this country about the poisoning of young minds by hate radio. It appears to be child abuse to expose young people to incessant propaganda.

A movement needs to be organized.

Without fail. She was probably just repeating something she saw on the Internet, or something her parents said.

Hardly what I would call anything close to a real threat. The Secret Service probably just has to investigate everything (as they should).

Privileges revoked.

Romney's idea to get the youth vote!

blast the RUSH LIMBAUGH show in the house.. and maybe even Michael Savage. How can anyone harbor such hatred for someone? They really stir up the crap on talk radio, and bring out the worst fears in everyone listening.

She may have found herself at Gitmo. Maybe we should make an example out of this POS. This is not free speech. Joke with your friends, family inside your home, tell your best friend, but never ever post threats to the President online. If the GOP ever take the helm again, you know they WILL make it an arrest-able offense.

into the local county jail. Make her spend several hours there. There you go princess, this is how felons spend their time.

I read this earlier today but didn't notice where the girl was from. I was just checking my local news station for a weather report and this showed up:

http://www.whiotv.com/news/news/secret-service-questions-local-student-over-obama-/nR5gr/

Not really surprising coming from that area. I am sure she learned that behavior from her parents. Glad they are investigating it though regardless of her age. What a stupid kid.

are forever.

The ones in the black Suburbans. This kind of crap has got to STOP. A 16-yr old who is THAT STUPID needs some education about what you can and cannot say about the President.

Bake

I dont give two shits what her parents watch on tv or radio. At 16 years old one should be smart enough to know that you cant say shit like that without facing the consequences. What a hateful little dunce.

Personally, I would really like to see some consequences.

threaten them with harm or death and this is what she did.

I forgot about Agent Mike. Has he been around?

Stupid hyperbolic 16 year old, most likely with teabagger parents, blowing off steam.

Stupid people in the blogosphere thinking it means something.

News flash: she is a 16 year old kid. Kids say and do stupid shit; they aren't independent for a reason, and there is no way she is a credible threat. If she has an actual education by the time she is 21 (which unfortunately might be unlikely) she will probably be mortified of this whole incident. Her big mistake was failing to realize what happens when you say that type of thing on the internet where anyone can read it.

I strongly feel that these assholes names should never be printed, because it gets them fame they certainly do not deserve.

(I also think we shouldn't discuss this topic on a public board, because of crazies reading in)

Maybe if these people's names were not released, John Lennon would still be alive today as half the crazy stated reason was so that scumbag nothing loser could become famous.

I am just asking here, (and I have no right to do anymore than ask), but for the poster (long time one, could maybe edit the title and put choice words (or symbols) instead of the name of the person there.
If this person should make money or fame it will only inspire others, and we should not enable that, should we?

And because of things like this, I for one would report it to the authorities and hope people like this are given the maximum penalty allowed. (and what if the person doing it is not a kid, but their warped rightwingrepublicanlibertarianteaparty parent hiding behind saying they are a minor?
After all, MY constitutional rights are violated by people like this.And because of things like this, it has led me to value agencies that in the past I might not have(like homeland security among others).

imho.

Or where people get the idea that they can say whatever they want, regardless of how vile and threatening it is.

I sent a screenshot to the Secret Service and FBI.

The worst part was that she was yukking it up with some buddies about how people were telling her she was breaking the law. She LOVED boasting about wanting Obama dead.

There was another one last night, a female about 25, also on twitter, who said and reacted the same way. I know quite a few people, including me, also reported her.