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booley

(3,855 posts)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:34 PM Sep 2012

"If you have to make a special effort to point out the black people.."

Don't normally cross pollinate with FB posts but had a friend who's a black conservative and he posted the graphic below and then dared his liberal friends to discredit it.

I wanted to share my point but I wanted to make sure the context was understood..



So I guess you really want one of your liberal friends to respond to this.
Ok I'm one a liberal and I'm your friend. I'll do it.
Well first I'm not going to discredit it. I cant' for one. These are americans and the ones I know of are conservatives. Thomas was picked by Poppy bush despite having 16 months experience as a judge precisely because George needed a black conservative to replace Marshall and those arent' exactly common.
I mean there are MILLIONS of black Americans. 13% of 300,000,000 is still a large number. Clearly there's room for differences in opinion.
So yes these are black american conservatives. This graphic is technically accurate from what I can tell according to the parameters it set for itself.

But I also don't have to discredit or debunk it.
No one was arguing if black conservatives were like unicorns and if they existed. We've been arguing that they are like the Florida panther. We know they exist but just how many are there?
Let me put this another way...
Liberals like to pay a game when they watch the gOP convention (yes we do tune in from time to time). It's called "find the minority". We dont' look at the stage where everything is .. staged. We look at the audience.
We know there were at least three black people at the GOP convention for instance because Fox news kept showing these same three african americans. over and over. And if we scan the crowd shots, we might be able to count a few more. (or it could have been a guy in a hat. Hard to tell at that distance)
For a fact, we know that the GOP had 47 black delegates. out of 2286 delegates.

Which means your graphic here actually has MORE black Conservatives then the GOP had Black Delegates. ( I counted 48 in your pic. You found more black conservatives then the GOP could)

Now lets try this game at the DNC.
Ready Set.. Oh there are 20 black people behind Chris Mathews. And there are another fifty in the front row.
And on and on. Apparently the number of black democratic delegates was 1452 or a quarter of the delegates.
To put those numbers in perspective.. Black people make up about 13% of the population. This year they made up barely 2% of the GOP delegates and 26% of Dems.
While the Democrats at one time had a problem with black people, apparently they have gotten over it. Black people are over represented in the DNC. Same goes for Women and Hispanics and gays. (I admit I do not know about Asian Americans). The Dems have A Black Caucus in Congress. I know of no analogous group among congressional Republicans. Black people are way under represented there.

So here's my point:
IF you have to make a special effort to point out that there are black conservatives and republicans, that could be the problem.
Rather then pointing out the few black conservatives that exist, maybe a better issue to focus on is why there are so few of them as compared to black liberals.

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treestar

(82,383 posts)
2. I read Rmoney has zero percent support from African Americans
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:41 PM
Sep 2012

So they are statistically rare, just coming up with those photos doesn't prove they aren't a tiny, minuscule minority of black people.

booley

(3,855 posts)
4. I heard that was a joke
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:48 PM
Sep 2012

she did it for attention.

Though I was going to verify that I then realized I dont' give a crap about anything Nicki Minaj says or does.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
5. It isn't quantity. It is quality that counts
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:51 PM
Sep 2012

And by this I am not talking about the "quality of the individuals' character," as I cannot generalize about that. But I was struck by something watching both conventions.

There seemed to be little connection among the delegates at the RNC. Oh sure, when a speaker was raging mad, he or she got the delegates whipped up into a frenzy, but I didn't see many moments where it seemed like the delegates were connected in any way other than blind rage.

Throughout the DNC, there were so many moments where a white person was speaking and there were tears in the eyes of black delegates and vice versa. That was not staged. It was a genuine bond that goes way beyond skin pigment. We are in this together.

booley

(3,855 posts)
7. I think the quality is an issue too
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:58 PM
Sep 2012

I mean Aln Keyes is a crazy person

and besides being the black conservative, what has Clarence Thomas done of note?

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
10. What I'm trying to say is quality of the relationship
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 02:08 PM
Sep 2012

Republicans seem to treat blacks and Latinos like checklist items.

What I saw at the DNC looked about as race-transparent as anything I have ever seen. Race was barely mentioned if at all. There was far more overt discussion of sexual orientation. At least for this one gathering, it appeared the words "post-racial" actually fit. The LGBT community in the Democratic tent is probably now where blacks were 20 years ago. It takes time for people, long divided by artificial differences, to look at each other as just fellow humans.

The Republicans aren't there. They will never be there. They are all about the differences that divide.

 

swayne

(383 posts)
6. America's "Uncle Toms": A legacy of selling out their people since 1654....
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:55 PM
Sep 2012

Conservatives hate when I point that out

Quiet_Dem_Mom

(599 posts)
8. Here's a pic of the crowd gathering for Ryan in Sparks, NV as we type...
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:59 PM
Sep 2012
http://cmsimg.rgj.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=J7&Date=20120907&Category=SPECIAL01&ArtNo=120907008&Ref=V1&Profile=1459&MaxW=800&Border=0&q=100

I'd say that pic is a pretty representative slice of the types of folks you find at any conservative rally, no?

The "brownest" person you will find in that photo is going to be an leathered-skinned old, white dude who spent too many hours on a golf course.

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
13. I was curious... too.
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 03:30 PM
Sep 2012

At the Republican convention I only saw ONE... Asian American in the crowd, and I watched for three days. At the Democratic Convention, I lost count.. seriously.

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