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Windy

(5,944 posts)
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:01 PM Sep 2012

Anyone watching the former navy seal on 60 minutes?

I frankly think that his coming forward is a right wing tactic. The opening said this raid was in the planning for 10 years....

As a former military member, I am sickened by this guy. Keep your damn mouth shut!

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Anyone watching the former navy seal on 60 minutes? (Original Post) Windy Sep 2012 OP
in the planning for 10 years Skittles Sep 2012 #1
Who acted more pompus ? Him or Scott Pelly ? russspeakeasy Sep 2012 #36
Mesmerizing Stinky The Clown Sep 2012 #2
Very suspicious indeed jsr Sep 2012 #3
I refuse to give him the attention he so desperately needs. graywarrior Sep 2012 #4
In a word.. 99Forever Sep 2012 #5
10 Years? drm604 Sep 2012 #6
That sounds like a big ol' LIE. Lex Sep 2012 #9
He did not say they knew where he was for 10 years. former9thward Sep 2012 #23
No. I am commenting on exactly what I saw in the OP, and what it "sounds like" is snark. drm604 Sep 2012 #43
10 years ago, an agent says "Let's kill bin laden." greyl Sep 2012 #44
Exactly. drm604 Sep 2012 #46
He said the planning of the operation to get bin Laden former9thward Sep 2012 #49
So they knew this would be the place to find bin Laden 10 years ago?? nt nanabugg Sep 2012 #7
"in the planning for 10 years" zbdent Sep 2012 #8
LOL! Ever ProSense Sep 2012 #16
Before TORA BORA, and after Bush joked we tried to hit a camel in the butt. Festivito Sep 2012 #48
I agree 100%... PCIntern Sep 2012 #10
there is no question about it. Windy Sep 2012 #12
10 years? 8 years then when Bush did nothing, it took Obama getting in otherwise it would've Raine Sep 2012 #11
fuck him, he's not a patriot imho spanone Sep 2012 #13
I did, found it riveting, thought it was odd that no one here had mentioned it. Rhiannon12866 Sep 2012 #14
I agree. femmocrat Sep 2012 #18
That's another excellent point. Rhiannon12866 Sep 2012 #39
so that goes back even before the 9/11 attacks doesn't it ? JI7 Sep 2012 #15
Math isn't their strong suit. ProSense Sep 2012 #17
They were after bin Laden before 9/11. Clinton tried to kill him before. n/t cynatnite Sep 2012 #20
His point still makes absolutely no sense ProSense Sep 2012 #25
If he did it in that way, no it makes no sense... cynatnite Sep 2012 #26
But you know ProSense Sep 2012 #29
I didn't watch it so it's really hard for me to judge his intent... cynatnite Sep 2012 #30
Ten years is during Bush's term ProSense Sep 2012 #37
Well..... Swede Atlanta Sep 2012 #19
Didn't watch it.... Wounded Bear Sep 2012 #21
i know he is from a different branch of the service ldf Sep 2012 #22
10 years? Shankapotomus Sep 2012 #24
It may have been in the planning for ten years, but nothing was done, until Obama kicked the demosincebirth Sep 2012 #27
Agreed. I have no doubt that the CIA and other agencies have been doing their jobs in Marie Marie Sep 2012 #42
I wouldn't watch that... Kalidurga Sep 2012 #28
Well, it's not the possible lying that will get him in trouble... cynatnite Sep 2012 #31
If he really said that they had been planning for 10 years... Kalidurga Sep 2012 #35
I didn't see the program... cynatnite Sep 2012 #38
From the transcript is seems like CBS is making that claim metalbot Sep 2012 #47
bin laden's hideout wasn't even built until 2005. unblock Sep 2012 #32
So Bin Laden was in the Pakistan home, where he was killed for 10 years? mzmolly Sep 2012 #33
Mitt Romney retroactively ordered the operation. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #34
I find this very disturbing. OBL is dead - isn't that enough? I don't understand why this person jillan Sep 2012 #40
I watched it and thought it odd that when he described the "intention" glinda Sep 2012 #41
i got suspicious when the book showed up at Sam's prominently displayed & heavily promoted librechik Sep 2012 #45

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
23. He did not say they knew where he was for 10 years.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:59 PM
Sep 2012

It sounds like you are commenting on something you did not see.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
43. No. I am commenting on exactly what I saw in the OP, and what it "sounds like" is snark.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:42 PM
Sep 2012

The little roll-eyes character should give it away.

According to the OP, he said that the raid was in planning for 10 years. How do you plan a raid when you don't even know the location?

drm604

(16,230 posts)
46. Exactly.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:59 PM
Sep 2012

Seal teams do raids. It's what they're trained for. I'm sure that they are training for and rehearsing generic raids all the time.

But a specific raid can only be planned for when you know the location and layout of the specific target that you will be raiding. The claim that they'd been planning this raid for 10 years is disingenuous at best and requires a tortured definition of the word "plan".

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
49. He said the planning of the operation to get bin Laden
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 12:37 PM
Sep 2012

was 10 years in the making. He didn't say the specific raid itself. This is not news. Former CIA director and now Defense Secretary Panetta said the same thing right after the raid.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
8. "in the planning for 10 years"
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:16 PM
Sep 2012

So ... before Osama bin Laden was on Bush's radar, right?

Ten years before May 2011 would be ... May 2001???

Bush didn't even get the PDB at that point. He was just enjoying the "liberally-biased media" hunting down some sex partner and having news conferences about xeroxed pics of butts on the White House copiers ...

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
16. LOL! Ever
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:53 PM
Sep 2012

notice that Republicans are always claiming that Obama's accomplishments are no big deal and at the same time trying to take credit for them?

Romney: ‘Can You Think Of Any’ Promises Obama Has Met? (image heavy)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021295267#post3

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
48. Before TORA BORA, and after Bush joked we tried to hit a camel in the butt.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:57 AM
Sep 2012

Bush made light of Clinton's 24/7 attempts to hit bin Laden while running against Al Gore.

Then the Bush admin ordered troops not to get bin Laden when they tracked him near Tora Bora.

If Republicans knew where bin Laden was, they were there to protect bin Laden. He was their source of power to rule and power to get more of our tax dollars.

Windy

(5,944 posts)
12. there is no question about it.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:23 PM
Sep 2012

try to minimalize the president's involvement.

No matter what they do, it was his responsiblity to give the order based upon intelligence that was relatively recently received.

This is one of the president's biggest accomplishments in his first term and speaks to the issue of national security that the repubs thought they owned, but don't any longer.

This is definitely an effort to take the air out of the administrations sails over the raid.

Sick.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
11. 10 years? 8 years then when Bush did nothing, it took Obama getting in otherwise it would've
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:23 PM
Sep 2012

been another decade ... interesting. THANK YOU President Obama for doing what needed to be done since Bush never had the courage to do it. Obama rocks!

Rhiannon12866

(203,041 posts)
14. I did, found it riveting, thought it was odd that no one here had mentioned it.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:41 PM
Sep 2012

However, I also found it very disturbing. Isn't this guy going public with classified info? I was quite interested, but didn't feel right that this was being reported on network television.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
18. I agree.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:02 PM
Sep 2012

I watched it, too. It was really interesting, but I thought it was so reckless to expose some of the details about their training and the mission. And revealing the fact that there was a female CIA intelligence officer on-call also bothered me. It just reminded me of Valerie Plame.

Rhiannon12866

(203,041 posts)
39. That's another excellent point.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:49 PM
Sep 2012

The woman who advised them, "Ms. 100%," is now in danger of being exposed. I absolutely agree about the Valerie Plame comparison. While I was riveted by this guy's description of what happened, I was very uncomfortable at the same time. And when he said "crazies on both sides of the aisle," I really wondered. Where is his loyalty to the Commander in Chief?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
25. His point still makes absolutely no sense
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:02 PM
Sep 2012

as he tries to date the raid back to before 9/11 and during the Bush administration.

It also makes no sense as Bush allowed bin Laden to escape Tora Bora. Bush then went on to repeat that he had no idea where bin Laden was and wasn't concerned, closing down the unit that was looking for him.

It's all hogwash.

President Obama got bin Laden. That really irks Republicans.



cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
26. If he did it in that way, no it makes no sense...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:04 PM
Sep 2012

But if the point was that they've been after bin Laden, then it does.

I didn't watch this so I'll have to stream it online later when it becomes available.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
29. But you know
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:07 PM
Sep 2012

"But if the point was that they've been after bin Laden, then it does. "

...that wasn't the point.

The point he's trying to make is related to the specific raid that got bin Laden. His point makes no sense.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
30. I didn't watch it so it's really hard for me to judge his intent...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:09 PM
Sep 2012

It seemed to me that may have been what was meant. Chances are no one bothered clarifying it so it would make sense.

That's just a guess on my part. I need to watch this.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
19. Well.....
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:09 PM
Sep 2012

It was probably in the planning for the first year or so of the Afghan war and then when Bush decided to avenge Daddy by invading Iraq that plan took a long vacation until Obama took office. So while its origins started 10+ years ago, it was only active for 1 year (Bush) and 3.5 years (Obama) for a total of 4.5 years.

ldf

(2,964 posts)
22. i know he is from a different branch of the service
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:54 PM
Sep 2012

so it was a different ops military group that staged the "made for teevee" rescue of jessica lynch, but i wonder if he would be so supportive of one of THOSE guys setting the record straight about THAT little "drama"?

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
24. 10 years?
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:01 PM
Sep 2012

Yeah, because Clinton didn't try to get bin laden during his administration.



Why would he start at ten years ago during W's administration but not during Clinton's when bin laden was not only on our radar but Clinton "at least tried" to get him?

Smells like a right winger to me as well.

demosincebirth

(12,518 posts)
27. It may have been in the planning for ten years, but nothing was done, until Obama kicked the
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:05 PM
Sep 2012

"planners" in the ass to get f**king show on the road.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
42. Agreed. I have no doubt that the CIA and other agencies have been doing their jobs in
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:35 PM
Sep 2012

seeking and tracking his whereabouts since 9/11. But, Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld didn't want to capture their boogie man. It didn't fit their hidden agenda. It took commitment and orders from the top to actually act on their intel. And it took Obama to make that commitment and finally take action. Suck on that truth Repukes.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
31. Well, it's not the possible lying that will get him in trouble...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:11 PM
Sep 2012

He spilled secrets and the Pentagon is planning on going after him over it. Plus he violated the confidentiality agreement he signed. They haven't accused him of lying from what I've read.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
38. I didn't see the program...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:32 PM
Sep 2012

I'm thinking either it was meant that they'd been trying to kill bin Laden for 10 years or had made plans over that time that didn't work out.

I don't know. Like I said, I didn't watch it. It seems like they did a lousy job of clarifying this claim.

metalbot

(1,058 posts)
47. From the transcript is seems like CBS is making that claim
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 12:17 AM
Sep 2012

This is not attributed to the SEAL or the interviewer, but rather to the CBS news team:

"We've never heard the story from someone who was there. The raid, May 1st, 2011, had been years in the making. But, in the moment, the best laid plans failed leaving a small team of Americans to improvise victory from near disaster."

unblock

(51,974 posts)
32. bin laden's hideout wasn't even built until 2005.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:19 PM
Sep 2012

WANTING to nail bin laden for 10 years, sure. even though shrub didn't give a flying f*ck prior to 9/11, and eventually explicitly gave up trying to find him later on.

but tasking a military group to try to find him doesn't amount to the raid that nailed him being in the "planning" for 10 years. that honestly could have even started until they had some inkling as to the location and its layout. this couldn't POSSIBLY have started prior to its construction in 2005, and more likely, not until rather shortly before it took place when they got blueprints.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
40. I find this very disturbing. OBL is dead - isn't that enough? I don't understand why this person
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:55 PM
Sep 2012

would do this - don't they take an oath? Even after they retire?

I really hope the Pentagon charges him with something. Even if this happened under Dubya, I still would feel the same way.
We shouldn't have to know.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
41. I watched it and thought it odd that when he described the "intention"
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:28 PM
Sep 2012

of the mission, which was to take him alive or kill him if need be....and then he described "how many times he shot him as well as the Pointman shot him...wellllll........ was it really necessary to shoot him several times?

librechik

(30,663 posts)
45. i got suspicious when the book showed up at Sam's prominently displayed & heavily promoted
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:55 PM
Sep 2012

isn't it still being contested by the govt?

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