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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:46 PM Sep 2012

15% of Republicans in Ohio are... is degenerate the word I'm looking for?

Last edited Mon Sep 10, 2012, 12:20 AM - Edit history (1)

PublicPolicyPolling ?@ppppolls

Who is more responsible for killing of Osama bin Laden?

38% of Ohio Republicans say Obama, 15% Romney, 47% unsure

http://twitter.com/ppppolls



The unsure 47% are rather dense, of course, but what to say of the 15%?

...it's some sort of degeneracy. It is a perversion. A fetish for malice.



PPP later tweeted: The reason for the Osama bin Laden question was to see if Republican voters would give credit to Obama for anything. Evidently answer is no

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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
3. Why do you say that?
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 11:55 PM
Sep 2012

PPP has a practice of asking "trouble-making" questions in their polling sets, so this seems right up their alley.

I grant that it is plenty weird enough to be satire, but in context I think this is indeed part of their Ohio poll results.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
4. Correction: it was a humorous exaggeration
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 12:12 AM
Sep 2012

The actual poll question and results:

Q15 Who do you think deserves more credit for the killing of Osama bin Laden: Barack Obama or Mitt Romney?

Barack Obama................................................ 63%
Mitt Romney.................................................... 6%
Not sure .......................................................... 31%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_OH_9912.pdf


Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
6. That is not the GOP percentage. Those are the numbers for ALL folks polled. The GOP number is 15%.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 12:16 AM
Sep 2012

You have to look further into the poll at the cross-tab pages.

Look at page 15

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_OH_9912.pdf


On page 15 it shows

Republicans said:

Obama 38%
Romney 15%
Not Sure 47%

Note: And 1% of Democrats said it was Romney.


pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
9. An earlier post was self-deleted with a comment that it was satire
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 02:04 AM
Sep 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1309551

I took that at face value, without investigating myself. (My bad )

I also was aware of PPP getting a deluge of outraged wingnut comments and responding with humor:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021309217

It's hard to take the Romney responses seriously. Maybe some respondents were punking the pollster, and/or Romney supporters simply were selecting only answers that were positive for their candidate.

In any case, I was wrong, and you're right. Those are the official poll results.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
10. Here's something that PPP tweeted out a bit ago ...
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 02:25 AM
Sep 2012


PublicPolicyPolling ?@ppppolls

The reason for the Osama bin Laden question was to see if Republican voters would give credit to Obama for anything. Evidently answer is no

https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/245012788358029313





ALSO


PublicPolicyPolling ?@ppppolls

We asked Osama bin Laden credit question in NC too- 29% of Republicans say Obama deserves more, 15% Romney, 56% not sure

https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/245013178344435712


pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
11. I feel only slightly vindicated by those tweets
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 02:35 AM
Sep 2012

Still, I was wrong.

And I also want to thank you for all the great work you do here, Tx4obama.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
12. Awww... thank you for your kind words :)
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 03:02 AM
Sep 2012

And don't feel bad, we've all been wrong at one time or another here.




dogman

(6,073 posts)
7. Not just Ohio
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 12:31 AM
Sep 2012

Maybe GOP in general. Just an indication 15% are hardcore assholes.
Same question asked in NC with 56% unsure.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
14. 47% think it might be Romney who is more responsible than Obama for Killing bin Laden?
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 06:49 AM
Sep 2012

and 15% are sure that it is Romney who is more responsible than Obama for killing bin Laden?

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
16. more analysis:
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 08:20 PM
Sep 2012

Do 15% of Ohio Republicans think Romney killed bin Laden? Probably not.
Posted by Dylan Matthews on September 10, 2012 at 9:32 am

Public Policy Polling has a new poll (pdf) out of Ohio showing Obama with his biggest lead since May. Given how hard it would be for Mitt Romney to win the White House without winning Ohio, that’s a big deal.
But a secondary finding in the poll has gotten a lot of attention. PPP asked voters who they thought deserved more credit for the killing of Osama bin Laden: Obama or Romney. 63 percent said Obama, 31 percent weren’t sure, and 6 percent said Romney.
The results for Republican voters were even more astonishing. 38 percent said Obama, 47 percent weren’t sure, and 15 percent said Romney. What the heck is going on?
My best guess is one dash psychological trickery, and a healthy portion of sampling error. There’s a huge literature in political science on the extent to which surveys like this capture true public opinion, and another literature on the extent to which peoples’ ideologies affect their interpretation of objective fact, and both do a lot to explain the Romney-killed-bin Laden finding.

more
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/10/do-15-of-ohio-republicans-think-romney-killed-bin-laden-probably-not/

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