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kentuck

(111,052 posts)
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:21 PM Jun 2020

Why can the Senators not see the big picture?

I am watching a bit of the Rod Rosenstein hearing on C-SPAN and the Republicans are indignant and out-raged about the way the Russia investigation was handled. As if it was some evil creation of the Democrats and the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Well, first of all, the Republicans were in charge of everything. They controlled the White House, the Senate, and the House of Representatives. They fired General Flynn. They appointed Rod Rosenstein. They appointed Robert Mueller. They approved everything every step of the investigation.

But, now, they want the American people to believe that the Russia investigation was some concoction of the Democrats to tear down Donald J Trump. Republicans never had anything to do with it. In fact, they had everything to do with it.

The Democrats were in charge of nothing.

Just a point that needs to be made, in my opinion.

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Why can the Senators not see the big picture? (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2020 OP
Is anybody paying attention much to this? idziak4ever1234 Jun 2020 #1
FOX thought it was important. kentuck Jun 2020 #2
Lindsey even got his hair did special for the occasion. Looks like he's transitioning to mini-Trump. Midnight Writer Jun 2020 #7
Lindsey gaveled the meeting to order with a declaration of, "Well, ah do de-Clairol". 11 Bravo Jun 2020 #8
That's very good. Midnight Writer Jun 2020 #9
Wish I could take credit for it. 11 Bravo Jun 2020 #10
None of it matters anymore....rump literally took orders on the phone from Putin Eliot Rosewater Jun 2020 #3
Besides, it found stuff soothsayer Jun 2020 #4
They are playing the roles scripted for them Bev54 Jun 2020 #5
Yep. kentuck Jun 2020 #6

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
2. FOX thought it was important.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:24 PM
Jun 2020

They were broadcasting it. Actually, Lindsey, the Chair of the Judiciary, and FOX News are both carrying water for Donald Trump.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
10. Wish I could take credit for it.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:51 PM
Jun 2020

I don't recall where I saw or heard it, but I definitely found it worth swiping.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
3. None of it matters anymore....rump literally took orders on the phone from Putin
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:31 PM
Jun 2020

before ordering the police to attack Americans and the military to being preparing to attack us.

It is over, for now.

Putin is in charge and republicans are all traitors unless they have renounced him.

A rump supporter is NO DIFFERENT to you and me than a uniformed, armed Nazi soldier is, or was. I wish I had a more contemporary analogy.

If we dont figure this out and soon, they are going to kill us, either directly thru this or the virus.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
4. Besides, it found stuff
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:41 PM
Jun 2020

Snipped from a recent Heather Cox Richardson “Letters from an American.”

Snip:

The Russia story, too, is back in the news, with Trump’s new Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe today releasing summaries of the phone calls between Michael Flynn—who was advising Trump on foreign policy—and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. What was released were not transcripts, although Senator Chuck Grassley, who released them, and much of the media that reported on them, all called them transcripts. These are summaries of the conversations. Occasionally they have quotations in them, but they are not the whole conversation.

Even so, they were bad enough. They show Flynn taking a weirdly weak position considering he knew the Russians had attacked the election. Rather than making demands, Flynn reassured Kislyak that the Trump team would roll back sanctions and retaliation for Russian interference in the 2016 election, established that Trump and Putin would talk immediately upon Trump taking office, and talked about a secure video link between the two leaders.

Asha Rangappa, a former FBI counterintelligence specialist, explained back in 2017 that Flynn’s lying to the FBI indicated just how bad the conversations were, and then explained just why they were so bad. For the U.S. to expel a diplomat is exceedingly rare and difficult, and usually results in a tit-for-tat expulsion of one of our diplomats. In both cases, the individuals usually are spies, which means that losing them is a big deal for our intelligence. For the Obama administration to expel 35 Russians in response to Russia’s attack on our 2016 election, along with imposing economic sanctions, was a microphone-dropping sign to Russia that we would not look the other way.

But Flynn assured Kislyak that they could expect a different response from the Trump administration, essentially telling Russia that, so far as the Trump team was concerned, the 2016 attack was okay. So the Russians did not retaliate as expected for the expulsion of their diplomats. But Trump could not get rid of the sanctions and instead, in July 2017, under great pressure, signed a bipartisan sanctions bill that had such strong support Congress could override his veto. In retaliation for the measure, Russia expelled 775 American diplomats, crippling our intelligence in that country.

Bev54

(10,039 posts)
5. They are playing the roles scripted for them
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:08 PM
Jun 2020

This ridiculous hearing is a sideshow for distraction, they know and we know it. They are trying to make the problems of the FISA warrant on Carter Page to dismiss the Mueller report, when one has nothing to do with the other. Page was not charged with anything but they want to twist their panties in a knot because this is all they have. Has nothing to do with the Mueller report. Rosenstein is showing how much of a milque toast he is and why he should never be put in another position of power.

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