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zak247

(251 posts)
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 03:55 PM Jun 2020

The cops likely wont be convicted

They should be sent up for a long time maybe 25 to life IMO but the chances of them getting convicted, if we are to go by past examples is very small.

At best a jury might give them a manslaughter conviction.

This might be Rodney King all over again and then there will definitely be another explosion.

Just don’t depend on a conviction even though we have it on video

After Rodney King, the worse murder of police on an innocent black man was the murder of Amadou Diallo in NYC in 1999 who was shot over 40 times by 4 white cops and they got acquitted of 2nd-degree murder, not even convicted of manslaughter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Amadou_Diallo

I hope their convicted, they damn sure should be, but in America I doubt it.

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The cops likely wont be convicted (Original Post) zak247 Jun 2020 OP
i think the one on the neck has a decent chance of getting convicted unblock Jun 2020 #1
Keith Ellison, the Minn. AG, was just on CNN and just announced... brush Jun 2020 #42
a jury will of course be asked to put politics aside... unblock Jun 2020 #44
The video evidence is undeniable. The whole nation has seen it. brush Jun 2020 #46
They have not shown EndlessWire Jun 2020 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Alpeduez21 Jun 2020 #50
Just wait until somehow the video is deemed inadmissible PTWB Jun 2020 #59
Nah, the whole world has seen video. brush Jun 2020 #61
Expect their defense to pack the jury box with wishy-washy people Blue_true Jun 2020 #62
Ellison is black and is leading the prosecution, so we have that. brush Jun 2020 #63
Yes, but jury selection is going to be critical. Blue_true Jun 2020 #65
Jury selection is critical. In the Slager case they hung 11-1... brush Jun 2020 #66
I hope that you are right Brush. I don't want to see what will certainly Blue_true Jun 2020 #68
So, what's Chauvin's defense going to be? Mike 03 Jun 2020 #2
answer: It was Floyd's medical issues that killed him not Chauvin. Thomas Hurt Jun 2020 #19
That's probably a decent prediction. Mike 03 Jun 2020 #31
That's a difficult defense, even with the coroner's report StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #39
The legal term of art is "eggshell skull" rule sir pball Jun 2020 #67
I believe they said that the second autopsy found none. n/t Lucinda Jun 2020 #40
And that's going to be a bit of oddness to reconcile. Igel Jun 2020 #56
That he got distracted by all the cameras and people yelling at him? LastDemocratInSC Jun 2020 #20
I hope he tries this one. But when Officer Lane asked him to turn Mike 03 Jun 2020 #28
You forgot the sarcasm thingy. Solomon Jun 2020 #34
You very well could be right PJMcK Jun 2020 #3
Nine minutes is sorta long for split-second IMHO. n/t rzemanfl Jun 2020 #10
Yeah, try sitting absolutely still and quiet for 9 minutes! PJMcK Jun 2020 #15
And Officer Lane repeatedly telling him Floyd should be turned on his side Mike 03 Jun 2020 #18
the problem he will face is the time AFTER they knew he was unconscious qazplm135 Jun 2020 #12
All of that may be true. EndlessWire Jun 2020 #52
Agreed - being charged is not being convicted. Until the "Qualified Immunity" clause walkingman Jun 2020 #4
They most likely will be convicted Bradshaw3 Jun 2020 #5
I worry about that one juror ..only takes one. We've seen it before. Budi Jun 2020 #6
That Could Lead To Hung Jury ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #17
Hope they all have to live in jail till the whole ordeal is finally settled. Budi Jun 2020 #24
Same Here, But... ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #55
Chauvin is toast qazplm135 Jun 2020 #7
When my kids were little I used to enjoy folding their short little socks. n/t rzemanfl Jun 2020 #8
... Mike 03 Jun 2020 #13
Thank you. Until today I said "teeny, tiny socks." rzemanfl Jun 2020 #16
They are haunted for life. pwb Jun 2020 #9
Another possibility to consider is that... Mike 03 Jun 2020 #11
Lane could plea down by testifying, however, there is 'the thin blue silence', and empedocles Jun 2020 #32
Good point. OnDoutside Jun 2020 #36
ugly secrets zak247 Jun 2020 #14
My question still stands. You must have thought this out: Mike 03 Jun 2020 #25
I dont know zak247 Jun 2020 #30
And then the prosecutor will show the jury this picture StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #43
So your original prediction is less supported opinion and rather a mere guess LanternWaste Jun 2020 #64
I saw a video once of a white man being executed Crunchy Frog Jun 2020 #54
It's also very easy to hang a jury. Get one stubborn "Law & Order" juror on the panel, and it can Hoyt Jun 2020 #21
They almost never are. FTP. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #22
If he doesn't get convicted, then he doesn't get convicted. SideStep Jun 2020 #23
I am angry enough to start throwing bricks lambchopp59 Jun 2020 #26
They will move the trial to a lily white county because "He can't get a fair trial in Minneapolis" BamaRefugee Jun 2020 #27
I remember that zak247 Jun 2020 #35
If they are not convicted, this country will be lit up like a christmas tree. BComplex Jun 2020 #29
At least the main guy zak247 Jun 2020 #33
Two related articles. CentralMass Jun 2020 #37
Hmmm. Newest Reality Jun 2020 #38
I agree. I only hope Biden is in office at the time... nt Blasphemer Jun 2020 #53
You May be right but this is an election year where separate teams have chosen distinctive sides Under The Radar Jun 2020 #41
I disagree. They are going to be made an example. The people aren't going to put up with any Cousin Dupree Jun 2020 #45
Which people? The citizenry or the ones who actually rule us? BamaRefugee Jun 2020 #47
Attorney General Ellison is on TV now basically saying a conviction is unlikely. BamaRefugee Jun 2020 #48
That wild card hasn't been turned over yet. safeinOhio Jun 2020 #51
Too early to tell BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #57
I think that fear is warranted Hav Jun 2020 #58
The evidence is overwhelming. I believe there will be convictions in this case lettucebe Jun 2020 #60

unblock

(51,974 posts)
1. i think the one on the neck has a decent chance of getting convicted
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 03:58 PM
Jun 2020

despite how hard it is to convict police officers.

but i have a tough time thinking the others will get convicted.

frankly i'm shocked (pleasantly) that they were fired so quickly. i would have expected 2 weeks paid administrative leave while they investigate....




brush

(53,471 posts)
42. Keith Ellison, the Minn. AG, was just on CNN and just announced...
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:40 PM
Jun 2020

the charge against Chauvin has been upgraded to 2nd degree murder without intent. Analysts Joey Jackson and Lora Coates explained that a 2nd degree murder conviction without intent can be proven when there is an underlying felony. That being felonious assault (knee on the neck for sustained period) which results in death.

The other cops are charged with aiding and abetting.

There's a good chance they will be convicted, especially with all the national uproar. An innocent verdict will just invite more national uproar and demonstrations. I don't think anyone wants that.

unblock

(51,974 posts)
44. a jury will of course be asked to put politics aside...
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:44 PM
Jun 2020

and frankly the fix the system needs isn't a cop or four getting convicted.

a whole lot more has to change to fix this mess.

brush

(53,471 posts)
46. The video evidence is undeniable. The whole nation has seen it.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:54 PM
Jun 2020

Hard to get around that. In most other cop murderer cases there has been no video. There is the Walter Scott case though in West Charleston where killer Slager shot and killed him.

The Slager jury hung 11-1 but federal charges convicted him and he is now serving 20 years.

They'll get these criminal cops one way or another.

EndlessWire

(6,376 posts)
49. They have not shown
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 05:14 PM
Jun 2020

a video of who was standing or sitting on his chest area. This is critical, IMO. Maybe no one was there, or maybe someone else who compressed his chest.

I want to see their body cameras.

Response to brush (Reply #46)

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
62. Expect their defense to pack the jury box with wishy-washy people
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 07:21 PM
Jun 2020

that believe in their hearts that coos can't do no wrong, even when video shows clear wrongdoing.

The biggest threat to Black people are juries that look past clear wrongdoing by police and set them free.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
65. Yes, but jury selection is going to be critical.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 07:35 PM
Jun 2020

Remember the cop in South Carolina who took a shooting range stance and shot a fleeing Black man in the back? He was set free by a jury, eventhough video showed that he clearly made no attempt to try to chase the fleeing man, instead choosing to kill him by shooting him in the back as he tried to run away.

brush

(53,471 posts)
66. Jury selection is critical. In the Slager case they hung 11-1...
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 07:38 PM
Jun 2020

but we still got the killer through federal charges. He's doing 20 years. This case is so, so high profile, I can't see all of those cops getting off from both state and federal charges.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
68. I hope that you are right Brush. I don't want to see what will certainly
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:08 PM
Jun 2020

happen if those MN cops are acquitted.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
31. That's probably a decent prediction.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:12 PM
Jun 2020

And the prosecution will argue George Floyd would be alive "but for" Chauvin's actions.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
39. That's a difficult defense, even with the coroner's report
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:37 PM
Jun 2020

The coroner didn't say any underlying condition killed him. At best, it was a contributing factor. And unless they can prove that Mr. Floyd would have dropped dead in the next few days even if Chauvin hadn't put his knee on his neck, that will be a tough one.

A basic tenet of criminal and civil law is that you take your victim as you find them - meaning that if you engage in an illegal, reckless or wanton act and, as a result someone dies, it doesn't matter that, unbeknownst to you, the person may have had an underlying condition that made it more likely that your act would cause their death. You take your victim as you find them - aka "the Eggshell Skull Doctrine" - and if you do messed up shish, you run the risk that you're doing it to someone who can die from it.

sir pball

(4,726 posts)
67. The legal term of art is "eggshell skull" rule
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 07:45 PM
Jun 2020
This rule holds that a tortfeasor is liable for all consequences resulting from their tortious (usually negligent) activities leading to an injury to another person, even if the victim suffers an unusually high level of damage (e.g. due to a pre-existing vulnerability or medical condition).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull

Igel

(35,196 posts)
56. And that's going to be a bit of oddness to reconcile.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 05:49 PM
Jun 2020

Hypertension and heart attack versus perfectly healthy and neither.

Second guy's older and a big name that was involved in some really high profile cases, with a track record of gravitating to certain kinds of cases--otherwise no reason to pull him in from out of state.

LastDemocratInSC

(3,625 posts)
20. That he got distracted by all the cameras and people yelling at him?
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:06 PM
Jun 2020

If those people hadn't been causing such a ruckus he would have remembered to take his knee of Mr Floyd's neck much earlier.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
28. I hope he tries this one. But when Officer Lane asked him to turn
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:10 PM
Jun 2020

George Floyd on his side he had the presence of mind to reply, "No he's staying right here." He seems to have been alert and aware.

PJMcK

(21,921 posts)
3. You very well could be right
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 03:59 PM
Jun 2020

Former U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade addressed this issue a few days ago in a column for The Daily Beast. Here's a pertinent excerpt:

The answer is that the law deliberately stacks the deck in favor of police officers. All criminal defendants have a right to a unanimous finding by a jury of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. But because we entrust officers to use force, even deadly force, to protect the public, we make them guilty of a crime only when they clearly exceed their public authority. How much legal protection is too much?

To convict Chauvin of third-degree murder, the prosecution will have to prove that he acted with a depraved mind, without regard for human life. For second-degree manslaughter, the prosecutor will have to prove that Chauvin acted with gross negligence. These are the same standards that apply in every case of third-degree murder or manslaughter under Minnesota law.

What’s different when the defendant is a police officer is that he may use a public authority defense. That means the state has the burden of proving that the force used was not justified. A jury would be instructed that to conclude that the force was not justified, it must find that Chauvin created an unreasonable risk of death or great bodily harm.

Under Supreme Court case law of Graham v. Connor, the jury would further be told that reasonableness must be judged from the perspective of an officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight. Further, the jury would be told that their reasonableness inquiry extends only to those facts known to the officer at the precise moment that the officer acted with force. The jury would be reminded that to determine reasonableness, it must consider that police officers are often forced to make split-second judgments about the amount of force that is necessary under circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving. This standard can be very difficult to meet.


The rest of her column is here:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/this-is-why-its-so-tough-to-charge-let-alone-convict-a-killer-cop

PJMcK

(21,921 posts)
15. Yeah, try sitting absolutely still and quiet for 9 minutes!
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:05 PM
Jun 2020

It's a L-O-N-G time. The 13-year old's camera video is pretty damning, too, in the events it shows.

Nonetheless, Ms. McQuade has much more experience than I so I'll take her comments seriously.

Personally, I hope all 4 of those cretins get major terms.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
18. And Officer Lane repeatedly telling him Floyd should be turned on his side
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:05 PM
Jun 2020

and the onlookers narrating: "He can't breathe.... you're killing him.... he's not breathing..."

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
12. the problem he will face is the time AFTER they knew he was unconscious
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:03 PM
Jun 2020

he still kept his knee on his neck for minutes after that. That makes if VERY difficult to conclude that from the perspective of the officer on the scene, it was reasonable. Particularly when one of the other officers suggested that he be rolled onto his side out of concern. That tells you that, in real time, they knew what they were doing was dangerous. That Chauvin knew.

I think it's the after the lack of a pulse conduct that will make this an easier than usual case to get a conviction on.

EndlessWire

(6,376 posts)
52. All of that may be true.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 05:29 PM
Jun 2020

It's been awhile since I saw the video. But, what I remember is an officer kneeling on someone's neck without using his arms, and appearing disinterested. And, when the guy moved slightly, he ground his leg into his neck even more. I do not recall that he even spoke to Floyd.

I'm guessing that there is a second person controlling his chest (back) area. Since I saw the officer grind Floyd's Adam's apple into the pavement, I would conclude that there was risk of great bodily harm. To Floyd, not the officer.

They have a lot of explaining to do. Was it so self evident that crushing someone's neck into the pavement was risky that they didn't even train for it? Would it have killed them to get one more officer to safely hold him down? There are a lot of people killed while on their stomachs. It just isn't right.

walkingman

(7,511 posts)
4. Agreed - being charged is not being convicted. Until the "Qualified Immunity" clause
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 03:59 PM
Jun 2020

is changed cops pretty much can act like Trump - do anything they want without any jeopardy.

Bradshaw3

(7,455 posts)
5. They most likely will be convicted
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:00 PM
Jun 2020

The trial won't take place in Simi Valley. Also the LA reaction broke out AFTER they were acquitted. This reaction is prior to the trial.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
6. I worry about that one juror ..only takes one. We've seen it before.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:00 PM
Jun 2020

Imagine trying to seat an unbiased jury at this point.
I expect the killer's attys are already looking for that one legal technicality.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
24. Hope they all have to live in jail till the whole ordeal is finally settled.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:08 PM
Jun 2020

No matter how long it takes.

ProfessorGAC

(64,422 posts)
55. Same Here, But...
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 05:44 PM
Jun 2020

...I doubt the other 3 will not be allowed bail in short order.
Chauvin could be considered a flight risk since he has nothing to lose.
No matter what that punk running their union says. That guy is never working as a cop again, convicted or acquitted.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
7. Chauvin is toast
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:00 PM
Jun 2020

He will get convicted. Don't know about murder 2, but he will be convicted.
There's just too much video evidence, and even chiefs of police nationwide have come out against him.

The other three I am less certain about.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
11. Another possibility to consider is that...
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:03 PM
Jun 2020

Officer Lane testifies against Chauvin.

They are former police officers, so there is less to lose by telling the truth.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
32. Lane could plea down by testifying, however, there is 'the thin blue silence', and
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:13 PM
Jun 2020

'thin blue reprisals' that my deter such testimony.

 

zak247

(251 posts)
14. ugly secrets
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:04 PM
Jun 2020

One of the ugly secrets of this country is that even when white folks are murdered by cops they are rarely convicted!

So with black and brown victims, it's even worse.


Despite the large number of police killings annually, police are almost never charged for excessive force violations. Between 2013 and 2019, 99% of killings resulted in no charges, according to Mapping Police Violence.

Prosecutors are often wary of bringing charges against police because of the steep hurdles to obtaining a conviction. A doctrine known as “qualified immunity” protects police from prosecution in cases that don’t involve a “clearly established” violation of the law.





https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/01/george-floyd-death-police-violence-in-the-us-in-4-charts.html
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
64. So your original prediction is less supported opinion and rather a mere guess
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 07:32 PM
Jun 2020

Sure... I can guess that 2+2=22 (there's a bunch of two's, right? So it must follow... like you did), but unless I can support that opinion with evidence other than fallacies predicated by the 'might' qualifier, I'd expect it to be soundly rejected out of hand.

Crunchy Frog

(26,548 posts)
54. I saw a video once of a white man being executed
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 05:39 PM
Jun 2020

while he was on the ground begging for his life. The pig was engaging him in a sick game of "Simon says" and shot him point blank when he couldn't move in the confusing way he was instructed.

There was no conviction. I don't think the guy had even done anything.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
21. It's also very easy to hang a jury. Get one stubborn "Law & Order" juror on the panel, and it can
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:07 PM
Jun 2020

happen.

Throw in some BS in the county medical examiner's report about drug use, and some more jurors might have some doubts.

Fortunately, there is video in this case that shows a cooperative, handcuffed George Floyd, a most shocking look on the main policeman's face as he just sits there with his knee on Floyd's neck, etc., that might help.

Generally, I'd give a police officer the benefit-of-the-doubt when there is no such evidence. That's one reason I believe strongly in body cameras. But, it's plain they are guilty of something, at least manslaughter.

 

SideStep

(93 posts)
23. If he doesn't get convicted, then he doesn't get convicted.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:08 PM
Jun 2020

That will be a tough day, for sure. I do have hope on this one. The visual is hard to not understand. A lawyer sitting in a courtroom in silence for over nine minutes showing the time it took is going to shake the jury.

I feared for my life is often the go-to. It's easy for a jury to comprehend. That will not be the case this time.


Since 2005, 98 nonfederal law enforcement officers have been arrested in connection with fatal, on-duty shootings, according to the Police Integrity Research Group’s data. To date, only 35 of these officers have been convicted of a crime, often a lesser offense such as manslaughter or negligent homicide, rather than murder.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/police-officers-convicted-fatal-shootings-are-exception-not-rule-n982741

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
26. I am angry enough to start throwing bricks
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:08 PM
Jun 2020

Because dog dammit we were making progress getting past all this shit before the thinly veiled racism and white supremacy sewer tanks blew the lid off with this MAGA shit. The whole idiotic Trumpian shit pie can represent nothing else but a return to the "good ol' boys" (lily white all) systemic racism, xenophobia, homophobia and the lowest common denominator of policing such as this crap.
Don't any Trump hat fuckface give me any more dancing around that this whole nauseating, murderous and catastrophic inquisitiion doesn't have kneejerk-reaction-to-the-bad-black-man-who-won-presidency goddamn tantrum. I'm not having it, especially now or ever again.
I'm still appalled at the last few elections worldwide placing fascist assholes in positions of power, as well as deeply suspicious. Our American dual threat of Trump and Bolsonaro have destabilized so much environmental progress, previously restoring hope for our progeny now dashed.
I had a pretty curt conversation with a pair of Fox-Noise laced speech idiots over the holiday weekend. It started with their misconcepts about my wearing masks in public and upset they were getting their free dumbs restricted. They sort of.... ahem... forgot that I work in healthcare, and after putting their idiotic notions to shame, Mr MAGA was a bit thunderstruck.
So... just exactly how this whole damn inquisition is Making Murica Grate Again...
they got lots and lots and lots and lots of 'splainin' to do about that.

BamaRefugee

(3,476 posts)
27. They will move the trial to a lily white county because "He can't get a fair trial in Minneapolis"
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:09 PM
Jun 2020

Last edited Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:59 PM - Edit history (1)

Then the acquittal, just like Rodney King. As an Angeleno who got caught in the King riots, this was the first thing that came to me mind, THEN, AG Ellison said the exact same thing on TV! And that his first priority was to "try" to prevent that happening.

I looked it up and found that between 2005 and 2020, between 900 and 1000 people dies at the hands of cops in America. PER YEAR
That's conservatively, let's say 12,000 people.
How many cops got found guilty and put in prison?
THIRTY-FIVE.

But hey, one Minneapolis cop WAS found guilty of murder and imprisoned.
A black cop.
For killing a white woman.

BComplex

(7,982 posts)
29. If they are not convicted, this country will be lit up like a christmas tree.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:11 PM
Jun 2020

Fires to make California look like a campfire.

 

zak247

(251 posts)
33. At least the main guy
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:13 PM
Jun 2020

It's a good chance, that jack ass with the knee will get convicted of something.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
38. Hmmm.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:26 PM
Jun 2020

If he doesn't get convicted, (or the others for that matter) it is quite possible that these protests we are seeing now are just a long parade by comparison, even if this round eventually quiets down.

Depending on how long a trial drags out we have: more waves of C-19 coming, (possibly worse), more people possibly losing the unemployment compensation, increased evictions, homelessness, more hunger, etc.

If the US hasn't collapsed by then, I can't see exoneration as being just a verdict for those involved. It will be for all of us and it will be palpable.

Under The Radar

(3,401 posts)
41. You May be right but this is an election year where separate teams have chosen distinctive sides
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:38 PM
Jun 2020

And the side that is demanding justice seems so much stronger than it has in the past. The bullshit side of imaginary “law and order” seems to be much less vocal than ever before.

Cousin Dupree

(1,866 posts)
45. I disagree. They are going to be made an example. The people aren't going to put up with any
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:52 PM
Jun 2020

more racist, biased juries.

safeinOhio

(32,531 posts)
51. That wild card hasn't been turned over yet.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 05:26 PM
Jun 2020

There is some history between the two. They both were bouncers at the same bar/restaurant for 14 years. If it turns out something between the two in the past, the whole may blow up. We will see.

BannonsLiver

(16,162 posts)
57. Too early to tell
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 05:50 PM
Jun 2020

So much of it rides on the quality (talent level) of whichever prosecuting attorneys do the actual courtroom arguments. Also the jury which will be an even bigger consideration. A lot of variables still undetermined.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
58. I think that fear is warranted
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 05:59 PM
Jun 2020

but I also think that the prosecution should use the record of all that was said during this incident: All the pleas for help by Floyd that he cannot breathe, the comments from the officers and those of the bystanders all realizing what was happening. The jury also has to see video footage again and again. I think a jury could be persuaded that Chauvin acted with intent and didn't do anything to prevent the tragedy.
I also think that the second cop sitting on Floyd's back will get more severe charges.

Of course, the charges have to fit what the prosecution can argue with conviction.

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