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Sympthsical

(9,032 posts)
1. There's a *lot* of video and audio
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:29 AM
Jun 2020

And apparently, according to the criminal complaints filed today, they have body cam footage.

stopdiggin

(11,241 posts)
3. not sure if that's going to help them a lot
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:37 AM
Jun 2020

the story (and a lot of detail) is pretty well known and established by now.

(On the other hand .. the chances of anyone actually being convicted of a higher degree murder charge here are slim and none. That's just the way the law reads.)

RockRaven

(14,892 posts)
4. They did not need one second of freedom to accomplish that. Police unions teach cops the
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:38 AM
Jun 2020

"magic words" they need to say, based on Supreme Court precedent, to get away with murder. They literally have training courses on what the standard is, which coach them what to say after they've killed someone, in order to get away with it.

safeinOhio

(32,635 posts)
5. Keep hearing it's only a small percentage of the cops are bad apples.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 03:25 AM
Jun 2020

Looks to me like 100% of the cops there were bad apples.

Scruffy1

(3,252 posts)
9. I have watched the MPD degenerate for years.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 05:32 AM
Jun 2020

I had friends on the force years ago. The old time cops were by and large very decent. They all told me that the force was going to hell and were anxious to retire. I'm not so dure of all the causes, but one of the changes that happened is that in the old days they were required to live in the city, but the Minnesota Supreme Court decided that wasn't constitutional. One of my police friends told me it was hard to have any faith in the force when the precinct commander only showed up for about 20 hours a week and put himself in for overtime every week. I think the big problem is lack of oversight. Once cops find out they can do anything they want some will abuse their power. Personally, I think that a lot of it comes from the mainstream media. All those cop shows, etc. We finally made it against the rules for cops to work as bar bouncers because of the millions we [aid out in lawsuits, but they still can work at restaurats and clubs. They get from fifty to seventy five bucks an hour as security so a lot of them sleep on duty and do nothing at work. Personally, I think it's an extortion racket. I know some very competent and experienced security people who work for a lot less. So you pay the cops off by hiring some security and nothing bad happens to your business. None of this will change until there is some real independent oversight from outside the department. Appointing a new chief every few years never solves anything. It's like basesball, where you fire the manager to please the fans when you lose, even though iy makes no difference.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. They all had to file officer reports on what happened, remember?
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 04:14 AM
Jun 2020

And every box mischecked and statement contradicted by fact is a potential felony.

10. NP It was a public lynching with at least two angles thus far beyond MNPD body cams.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 05:41 AM
Jun 2020

Most of us have seen the original "knee on the neck" lynching footage that leaves no doubts about the intentions and ultimate outcome. And yet we are still left with an unanswered, "Why were any of those cops allowed to leave the scene and potentially erase any of their body cam footage, assuming any of those cameras were ever on."?

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