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NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 05:43 AM Jun 2020

Where's Your Messiah Now, Evangelicals?

A vast number of you still believe that Donald Trump was ‘chosen by God’ to lead the nation.

If that was your God’s plan, why did He choose someone He knew would be exposed – repeatedly – as a liar, a bigot, a cheat, and an incompetent buffoon who would be reviled the world over?

If you believe that your God is all-knowing, surely He foresaw that his ‘chosen one’ would fail every test of his ability to lead – from the California wildfires, to hurricanes in Puerto Rico, to the events in Charlottesville, to the response to Covid-19, and now to the massive protests against racial injustice – and fail so spectacularly.

Why would your God anoint an idiot who stands against everything that Jesus Christ stood for – like sheltering the homeless, feeding the hungry, caring for the sick, comforting the dying?

Does your God just have it in for America? Is His choice of Trump to lead us just an example of that divine sense of humour that is His, and His alone?

Perhaps Trump was a test – not of him, but of you. Maybe your God wanted to see just who among you was willing to abandon the tenets of your faith in order to follow the fat Golden Calf – the one who promised to rid the country of all the people you don’t like.

If that was the test, guess what, Evangelicals? You’ve failed – just as spectacularly as your anointed-by-God “pResident" continues to do on a daily basis.

Oh, in answer to the question posed, you can find your Messiah cowering in the WH, 'inspecting' the bunker and having the police clear the way of protestors before having the guts to show his face in public - but that's the way your God wanted it, right?

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Where's Your Messiah Now, Evangelicals? (Original Post) NanceGreggs Jun 2020 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Rainbow Droid Jun 2020 #1
I grew up in that as well LiberalLovinLug Jun 2020 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Rainbow Droid Jun 2020 #23
... Celerity Jun 2020 #26
All they care about is him nominating anti abortion judges. Funtatlaguy Jun 2020 #2
So true, and when asking them what Jesus said about abortion KS Toronado Jun 2020 #18
Bingo! Richard58 Jun 2020 #21
A lot of them want Drumpf to kick start Armageddon since they hate their own lives so much... Crowman2009 Jun 2020 #3
This! FakeNoose Jun 2020 #14
+1 dalton99a Jun 2020 #19
That's it, the "rapture". SergeStorms Jun 2020 #24
For some reason, they beleive that when God "separates the wheat from the chaff" patphil Jun 2020 #25
Analogy-wise... Zambero Jun 2020 #31
Chaff eventually falls into the soil and aides in growing more plant life. Crowman2009 Jun 2020 #36
MAGA Church - God Help Us All DIVINEprividence Jun 2020 #4
Chilling StarryNite Jun 2020 #39
Alternate reality Holy Trinity..... KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2020 #5
Ivanka would play Mary magdalene? lastlib Jun 2020 #8
Melania can be the brass who jeebus washed the feet of Celerity Jun 2020 #27
Jeff Sessions as Republican Judas? Zambero Jun 2020 #32
More like Rethuglican Sheriff Rosco... Crowman2009 Jun 2020 #37
Elmer Gantry: The Documentary no_hypocrisy Jun 2020 #6
I think Voltaire said it best Fritz Walter Jun 2020 #7
BOOM! calimary Jun 2020 #35
Its still Trump, they dont care about all that, just want him there to replace RBG on the bench Baclava Jun 2020 #9
For evangelicals, it was always about the white male supremacy dlk Jun 2020 #10
This StarryNite Jun 2020 #40
"Does your God just have it in for America?" A fair question at this point, if you are a believer. Evolve Dammit Jun 2020 #11
The evilvangelicals would say it's all part of God's plan and support Trump. Pepsidog Jun 2020 #12
Trump was chosen by God VladmireTrumpkins Jun 2020 #13
It's either what you say or... Trueblue Texan Jun 2020 #15
Would believe Trump over Jesus for credibility... keithbvadu2 Jun 2020 #16
Because *that* was the plan. n/t malthaussen Jun 2020 #17
Where's Your Messiah Now The Wizard Jun 2020 #22
The original Monty Python would have done wonders with a script like this. Blue_true Jun 2020 #28
Puking Divad123 Jun 2020 #29
I walked away from all of the patriarchal religions over 50 years ago. love_katz Jun 2020 #30
'He wears the armor of God': evangelicals hail Trump's church photo op jxla Jun 2020 #33
Trump has violated 8 of the 10 commandments jimmy the one Jun 2020 #34
In a bunker. shockey80 Jun 2020 #38

Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)

LiberalLovinLug

(14,168 posts)
20. I grew up in that as well
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:43 PM
Jun 2020

I guess I was lucky. In my teens I began to become aware and be put off by the blind acceptance, the group think in my church. I began to question things like the big differences and contradictions between morals allowed in the old testament and those in the new testament. ie. Surround cities, rape and pillage, in God's name, vs. turn the other cheek in the New.
I began to understand how many went to church to be told what to believe, rather than discover truth by their own experiences.

How the way they, including my relatives, regarded anyone outside their evangelical community with suspicion and prejudice. But what was worse is how they pasted on smiles and swore on the Good Book that they loved everyone equal....as Jesus did. But deep down, there was a kind of arrogance that they were always in the right of course, and better because of it.

How it actually made them uncomfortable with stories on some figure in the secular world, or another religion, like Gandhi, or Nelson Mandela if it looked like they were praised for actions that helped their fellow man/womankind for actions taken and good results happen without it involving their version of God.

I wondered why, if Jesus is the Great Peacemaker, the peace movement, and the long haired hippies that supported those ideals, were the "sinners", and leaders only had to use God's name in their speeches and be applauded for sending in police to crack some heads.

I found books that made me think in a more relatable way than the Bible did. Three books that changed my thinking back then, Steppenwolf, Breakfast of Champions, and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

All that to say I understand perfectly. They are conditioned to accept more than one reality or morality at once. Bad can be good. And Good can be bad. As well they preach humbleness and not caring what the world thinks, but yet they seethe at being treated by some movies and shows (like Flanders in the Simpsons) as idiots. One reason for the push by Robertson and others to break one of Jesus's instructions to separate away from politics, "give unto Caesar..." and try to force Biblical laws on their communities by running for office. I now regard Christianity as a cult like any other. Some are just more fundamental than others. I see the more "liberal" ones as giving shade to the more extreme ones, because of the undefined grey line connecting them.

Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #20)

KS Toronado

(17,187 posts)
18. So true, and when asking them what Jesus said about abortion
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 12:21 PM
Jun 2020

they can't quote even one Bible passage because Jesus never said one thing about it

Richard58

(239 posts)
21. Bingo!
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:57 PM
Jun 2020

I have had conversations with Christian Republicans about why they support Trump. I point out the fact that Trump is a lying, greedy, self-centered, racist, sexist moron---the complete opposite of Jesus. "So why support such a man?", I ask They will usually hem and haw and grudgingly admit that Trump "isn't perfect" but then will say "But he is nominating conservative Judges to the court!" That's ALL they care about! They want Judges who will be pro-corporate, ban abortion and eliminate gay and Trans rights. Nothing else matters to them. They want their version of "Biblical morality" to be the law of the land. To hell with kids in cages, or environmental destruction, the crushing of minority rights and the rule of law--I could go on and on. They don't care. They are so myopic and selfish that it is maddening. So they will support this monster to the bitter end.
Oh and as an aside when I talk about how terrible Trump is they often counter with, "But Hillary would have been MUCH worse!" Yeah---right. Idiots.

Crowman2009

(2,494 posts)
3. A lot of them want Drumpf to kick start Armageddon since they hate their own lives so much...
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:11 AM
Jun 2020

...and throw a shit fit because they can't get their way in ruling the world the way they claim the scriptures should be like. I swear this end-times BS has turned large portions of Christianity into a suicide cult.

FakeNoose

(32,613 posts)
14. This!
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 08:43 AM
Jun 2020

They believe in hocus-pocus and most of them aren't any better than the people of Jonestown. We Americans who are trying to save democracy for the non-crazies - we don't have to save it for them, but we do need to save it in spite of them.

SergeStorms

(19,192 posts)
24. That's it, the "rapture".
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 05:02 PM
Jun 2020

They're all looking forward to floating on the clouds in heaven, because they've wasted their lives here on earth. Crooked politicians court them for the unthinking sheep they are.

patphil

(6,161 posts)
25. For some reason, they beleive that when God "separates the wheat from the chaff"
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 08:36 PM
Jun 2020

they'll be in the wheat bin.
I think they're going to be greatly disappointed.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
31. Analogy-wise...
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 02:43 AM
Jun 2020

Wheat gets ground to powder between millstones and is eventually baked in a hot oven or boiled as pasta.
The outlook for the chaff seems a bit better!
Disappointment? 'Fraid so! (again analogy-wise)

Crowman2009

(2,494 posts)
36. Chaff eventually falls into the soil and aides in growing more plant life.
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 01:38 PM
Jun 2020

Sort of like a segment of the older generation that doesn't sit on their ass watching FAUX news all day and helps grow the next generation via activism, charity, etc.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
5. Alternate reality Holy Trinity.....
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:29 AM
Jun 2020

* tRump as Republican Jesus.

* Republican God is a three white man committee: Falwell, Graham and Bakker.

* The Republican Holy Spirit is Murdoch's News Corp and Fox News.

KY.........

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
7. I think Voltaire said it best
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 07:03 AM
Jun 2020

To answer the questions in paragraph 5,

“God is a comedian playing to an audience that is too afraid to laugh.”


dlk

(11,540 posts)
10. For evangelicals, it was always about the white male supremacy
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 07:24 AM
Jun 2020

This is central to their teachings, even though Jesus was a middle eastern jew, and not caucasian. Logic and reason seem to escape them.

Evolve Dammit

(16,719 posts)
11. "Does your God just have it in for America?" A fair question at this point, if you are a believer.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 07:47 AM
Jun 2020

Of course many of the fundies hope for the end of times, which so staggeringly stupid. They will not make it to God's right hand. How do they even know he/she/it is not a lefty? I always like to know, in case of rapture, can I have your car?
"..fat Golden Calf"! LOL. Well done as usual!
I remain, ED, Militant Agnostic. I don't know and you don't either.

Trueblue Texan

(2,424 posts)
15. It's either what you say or...
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 08:47 AM
Jun 2020

...their God is a Nazi. Clearly, anyone who still supports the evil, incompetent resident in the White House would have supported Hitler.

keithbvadu2

(36,726 posts)
16. Would believe Trump over Jesus for credibility...
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 10:20 AM
Jun 2020

Would believe Trump over Jesus for credibility...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/11/21/trump_voter_if_jesus_christ_came_down_from_the_cross_and_told_me_trump_was_with_russia_i_wouldnt_believe_him.html

About 2:55 on the timeline.

"Let me tell you," he continued. "If Jesus Christ gets down off the cross and told me Trump is with Russia, I would tell him, hold on a second, I need to check with the president if it is true. That is how confident I feel in the president."

?t=170

The Wizard

(12,541 posts)
22. Where's Your Messiah Now
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 03:07 PM
Jun 2020

conjures up Billy Crystal doing his version of Edward G, Robinson in "The Ten Commandments."


Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
28. The original Monty Python would have done wonders with a script like this.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 10:32 PM
Jun 2020

But, who could have imagined this?

 

Divad123

(93 posts)
29. Puking
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 10:39 PM
Jun 2020

The reason Jesus hasn't come back is because he's to busy puking over what people who say they're his followers are doing in his name.

love_katz

(2,578 posts)
30. I walked away from all of the patriarchal religions over 50 years ago.
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 02:41 AM
Jun 2020

I realize that others mileage may vary, but from my viewpoint, none of those religions have anything at all to offer to women. They promote sexism (grab 'em by the pussy), classism (tax cuts for the rich), racism (dark is evil, light is good, and the ongoing attacks against POC), homophobia (using old testament injunctions to discriminate against and hassle or even kill LGBTQ, assault and destruction of the earth's life support systems (multiply... and conquer and subdue), bigotry (defined as excess loyalty to ones own group i.e. only they are loved by their creator, everyone else is wrong and therefore damned), etc., as nauseum. It is obvious that their particular deity is Mammon, with huge heaping sides of hate and violence thrown in. Oh, and let's not forget the giant serving of conceit. They are promoting what many have rightly named Republican/Supply -side Jesus. The rest of us need to resist this toxic and appalling agenda with every ounce of strength that we have. Remember in November, Vote! Flush the Turd on November 3rd.

jxla

(201 posts)
33. 'He wears the armor of God': evangelicals hail Trump's church photo op
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 04:15 AM
Jun 2020
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/03/donald-trump-church-photo-op-evangelicals

“My whole family was flabbergasted,” said Benjamin Horbowy, 37.

The Horbowys had gathered in Tallahassee, Florida, to watch live as Trump walked from the White House to St John’s. “My mother just shouted out, ‘God give him strength! He’s doing a Jericho walk!’”

A Jericho walk, in some evangelical circles, refers to the biblical book of Joshua, where God commanded the Israelites to walk seven times around the opposing city of Jericho, whose walls then came crashing down.

snip

After watching Trump’s gesture, Horbowy changed his Facebook profile photo to one of Trump outside St John’s, with added rays of light emanating from the Bible. “It was the coolest thing he could do. What more could he do, wear blue jeans and ride in on a horse?” he said.

https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2020/06/04/fl-gop-candidate-loved-trumps-bible-walk-that-made-his-mother-speak-in-tongues/

As the [Guardian] piece says, Horbowy is running for Florida’s State Senate from District 3.

jimmy the one

(2,708 posts)
34. Trump has violated 8 of the 10 commandments
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 06:43 AM
Jun 2020

The only two he has not broken are:
Thou Shalt Not Kill - but he's bragged about doing it on 5th avenue
Honor Thy Parents - I guess if your parents leave you 61 million dollars, yeah mom & dad, you're great.

Bearing false witness, does that almost on a daily basis the past 5 years.
Coveting thy neighbors wife & adultery, bragged about it on the bus tape.
Honoring false gods, tossup, himself or money.
Taking lords name in vain, well a push, don't almost all of us at times?

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