but I think your analysis hits the nail on the head.

And Biden has always supported the needs of law enforcement.

Like all issues, this one plays out differently in different situations in different eras -- affected above all by the will of the electorate -- but personal decency and principles remain the same. Or don't exist at all.

Also agree with Sunonmars. After a while, well-meaning organizations virtually always degrade to a primary purpose of promoting and preserving themselves above all. Unions historically spectacularly so.

I don't think in this setting it will hurt Biden in the least. 73% of Americans support righteous demonstrations against murder by police in well over 100 cities nationally! These groups are on the wrong side of history. These groups' leaders should be taking a knee, not pandering to the angry, heavily RW reactionaries among them to keep their jobs.

however, not all of the problem.

endorse Biden, the rank and file MAGAt members still would not have voted for him. This loses us nothing.

And fuck them. Biden calls for policing reforms after a video of yet another blatant police murder gets out. And they resist the idea that they need to reform? How disgusting can humans be?

and simultaneously advocate for reform against police violence.

Despite what we keep being told, there's a goddamn orchard of Bad Apples in our police departments!

Remember, a lot of police unions came out for Trump. Don't know about you, but that's not a good look in my eyes.

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which really aren't unions - just thug enforcers - don't you love democracy

Repugs will do anything to destroy unions especially public employees unions particularly teachers. But all their anti-union garbage somehow excludes police unions. Because they know many if not most LEOs are RWNJs.

It isn't just law enforcement unions that are tolerant of racism, but autoworkers, fire, sanitation, etc.
Leadership is often white even if the unions have African-American members. The difference is that the law enforcement union members have guns and are tolerant of murder.

truly wanted to protect all of the good ones and attract more of them then they would back Biden who wants reform and stop protecting the bad ones who are obviously a huge problem.

The fact is that 'bad cops' harm and even kill members in the communities that they're sworn to protect. Their toxic behaviour taints all law enforcement members and actually puts the good ones at a higher risk of harm and death from angry citizens. If good ones and the police unions don't break down the 'blue wall', speak out and take a stand against the bad and the admin and system protecting them then in this case, "silence is complicity" and respect and trust in the profession will be further eroded.

( "Break with Biden"? Huh? I don't remember them backing Biden or Dems the last election so how can they "break"?)

Police unions are labor unions to unite employees for negotiating better working conditions for the rank-and-file. They are not political PACs to endorse strongmen politicians.

(Union member and former-officer for over 25 years)

Combining strength for political purposes is a gang and not a labor union.

She is a member of the biggest gang in the country. You screw with one of us and you screw with all of us. Another of her saying was “who’s going to arrest me, I’m a cop”.
A union card for cops is a get out of jail free card.

NY cops had a Union slow down years ago. Few tickets or arrest. Crime went down by 20% during their slow down. It’s like they cause 20% of the crime by doing their job.

Looking at the headline, I expected to see a bunch of official statements from law enforcement organizations condemning Biden. That's what the fucking headline implied.

What did I find instead?

A couple of worthless dudes quoted as saying nothing but fucking fluff.

No official statement from law enforcement.

No official endorsement of Donnie Shit for Brains.

No written statement denouncing Biden.

No Union election result saying they denounce Biden.

There's fucking nothing in the entire fucking article that would warrant that headline. Just a couple of people saying; "oh, I think he (Biden) risks losing police organizations if he goes too far" and a couple of quotes from some random Retrumplican candidate for some fucking council seat in Dumbfuckistan Murika.

Of course, at the end, they do throw in some quotes from Val Deming, as if that's enough to give " balance" to this bullshit Retrumplican propaganda piece.

It's as if the RNC or Donnie Shit for Brains reelection campaign wrote it and politico just slapped their logo on it.

FUCK POLITICO!

I couldn't say it any better than you did in your post.

This hit job is one of the reasons I don't trust or read Politico.

Only a small percentage of cops are bad they say. Every cop there when when a Black man was killed was a bad cop. That is 100% of them.

Labor unions tend to protect the exclusivity of their members. Not the best workers but the most loyal or connected. They're often unavailable to newcomers.
LEO unions tend to protect their members from accountability. Not a situation conducive to personal responsibility. They close ranks, promoting nondisclosure.
Both are devolutional, the unwanted consequences of broad brushes covering complexities.

Police Unions are a huge part of the problem with the police

We see what they're about and I'm happy Biden is taking them to task. That would not be a loss. Many have been trending right since black people started speaking out against police brutality, and the inception of black lives matter (to which they created blue lives matter), way before Biden became our nominee. Biden will be ok.

Many police officers are not in denial of systematic racism, in fact, many black officers are dealing with racism within the police force. Many will vote for Biden. I have a few officers in my family and some friends, they're all Biden supporters.

And it is sad they don’t understand that.

That looks good on them....not.

they are clearly part of the problem

These are one type of union that need to be strongly limited in what they can do.

No need for change these protests are just a fad.

If police unions want to pretend police brutality isn’t a problem and want to abandon him what are you gonna do? You have to take a stand sometimes and let the chips fall where they may

Not just for Black Lives Matter but also Blue Line Murders.

Joe Biden has shown true leadership here, the support of the police unions be damned!

He knows the police unions have turned a blind eye to the abuse many cops have thrown on minorities and he knows that they need to evolve. It's long past time that these unions recognize that they have a responsibility for good policing and to the communities they serve. Not just to their rank and file.

And should have been out of public life a long, long time ago

Good cops need to help get rid of bad cops

stand by and do nothing . they are just as guilty , and this blue code of silence must end.

Accountability.

If law enforcement wants be treated as professionals they need to police their own and set a very high standard.
We use to set standards for the world and we would enforce it. Now we are the worlds thugs and it is coming home.