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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 05:54 AM Sep 2012

Aging Baby Boomers Face Losing Care as Filipinos Go Home

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-13/aging-baby-boomers-face-losing-care-as-filipinos-go-home.html

Stephanie Chan spent four years at Manila Doctors College qualifying to work as a nurse overseas. She never left the country. Instead, she switched careers and now earns almost as much monitoring people’s finances.

Chan is one of thousands of Filipinos each year who study to become health workers to boost their chance of a higher income overseas. She’s also now part of a growing trend of workers who are opting not to go. Chan now works at a call center in Manila, where she reminds Macquarie Bank Ltd. credit- card holders to make payments.

“I’m thankful this career opportunity opened up for me,” said Chan, 23, who works the night shift at a business-process outsourcing company and lives at home with her parents. “If I can maintain a relatively high standard of living as a customer- service representative, why go overseas to work as a nurse?”

Developed countries that rely on Philippine nurses and Indian doctors to hold down costs in the $6.5 trillion global health-care industry face greater competition for talent just as baby boomers in the U.S., Europe and Japan reach the prime age for medical care. Economic growth in emerging economies, despite some signs of recent slowing, is stoking investment in hospitals and creating job opportunities in other industries that mean a growing number of health workers choose to stay at home.
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Aging Baby Boomers Face Losing Care as Filipinos Go Home (Original Post) xchrom Sep 2012 OP
AutoxchromDURec KG Sep 2012 #1
... xchrom Sep 2012 #2
I think we still own the Phillipines after the Spanish American War. jerseyjack Sep 2012 #3
Joining you in the sarcasm - Yea they were so happy with exboyfil Sep 2012 #6
DU Rec pinboy3niner Sep 2012 #4
... xchrom Sep 2012 #5
OTOH, Philipine nurses have been activey recruited for decades by no_hypocrisy Sep 2012 #7
What bothers me is why we don't fill this exboyfil Sep 2012 #8
Funding for residency isn't the problem. knitter4democracy Sep 2012 #9
Then we need a campaign against the AMA exboyfil Sep 2012 #11
My ex-husband is an internist. I agree. knitter4democracy Sep 2012 #12
No matter how poor the availability of 'qualified' foreign workers DainBramaged Sep 2012 #10
 

jerseyjack

(1,361 posts)
3. I think we still own the Phillipines after the Spanish American War.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 06:50 AM
Sep 2012

(Who among us will ever forget, "Remember The Maine.&quot

Anyways, we should require them to donate 4 years of community service in U.S. hospitals as repayment for liberating them from Spain and Japan.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
6. Joining you in the sarcasm - Yea they were so happy with
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 07:28 AM
Sep 2012

the liberation that they fought one of the bloodiest guerilla wars against us since they wanted their own independence.

no_hypocrisy

(46,038 posts)
7. OTOH, Philipine nurses have been activey recruited for decades by
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 07:29 AM
Sep 2012

American hospitals to replace union members, as they will accept less money in salary and little, if any, benefits.

Some hospitals truly needed nurses when applicants from American nursing schools didn't apply, but there were many who have been trying to eliminate union representation.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
8. What bothers me is why we don't fill this
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 07:38 AM
Sep 2012

jobs pipeline with our own U.S. citizens. Becoming a doctor in the U.S. is incredibly difficult and many qualified candidates are shut out by the limited number of positions available in medical schools (we know they are qualified candidates because the MCAT scores for entrance creep up every year - anyone making a 25 on that test assuming they have the other things in place should make a fine doctor).

I have heard it has something to do with not enough funding for residency, but I have not heard much about calling for more U.S. born doctors.

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
9. Funding for residency isn't the problem.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:05 AM
Sep 2012

The AMA limits the number of doctors by assigning each med school their numbers they can take in every year in order to keep pay levels high for doctors once they're done with their training. If you realize who runs the accrediting agency and the consortium of med schools (the AMA), you can see the connections.

Residency programs always need more residents because they get good billing off those guys and pay them crap. Now with the hours restrictions (80 hrs/wk unless they have a really good reason to work them longer hours that week), they need more residents to fill critical areas of care for cheap. They can't fill all those slots with native-born doctors because of the med school restrictions, so they look overseas, and many of those doctors go back home after their training.

We'll hear of calling for more primary care docs (many don't go into it because the pay's the least of all the specialties), but the AMA keeps a tight rein on those med school numbers, so all we can do is convince those in med school to go into primary care.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
11. Then we need a campaign against the AMA
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:25 AM
Sep 2012

efforts to restrict the number of doctors. My younger daughter wants to become a general (internal) surgeon. If you do go with cost containment on doctor's salaries, then you are going to have to do something about medical school costs. I am very uneasy about my daughter borrowing $200K to get a medical degree. You can't work in medical school, and instate estimated expenses are over $200K for four years. It is also very difficult to work while pursuing an undergraduate degree because of the job shadowing/volunteer work that needs to be done to be considered for medical school.

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
12. My ex-husband is an internist. I agree.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:49 AM
Sep 2012

We met in college, got married after his first year of med school, and I got him through that, residency, and his first two jobs as an attending. After residency, he owed $175K in loans just for med school (he'd managed to get through college without any, thank goodness) because he'd had to defer his loans during residency.

There are grants, sure, and there are ways to pay for it, but she will still have a ton of loans by the time she's done. Med schools charge a fortune, though some are cheaper than others.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
10. No matter how poor the availability of 'qualified' foreign workers
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:14 AM
Sep 2012

American companies will not hire Americans at living wages. It's against their mandate to pay more than the barest of minimums for anything. Unless they require wage increases for the executives.


My departed Mom's hospice was nearly completely staffed by Filipino workers , male and female. I later found out it was part of a huge chain. And don't let the American faces on the front page fool you.


http://cchnet.net/hospice/about/

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