....but this is a fight the leaders of Iran have brought on themselves with their anti-Jewish zealotry. You can't compare Bibi to a fucking holocaust denying, 'wipe Israel off the map' madman.

Those "fanatics" rioting are not Iranian...but lumping them all together plays into the stupidity of the people in this country seeing everyone in the Middle East as the saem.

......perverted, radicalized version of their religion that Achminajhad uses to justify his hatred.


This isn't a Muslim centric thing, it a fundy centric thing.

And try and make people think Iran is somehow involved.

That said, he clearly wants Mittens to win, and for that alone he should go phuck himself.

Hes not my favorite Israli leader, but I do think Iran is going to need to handled at some point.

I don't think even they believe that nuclear radiation can be contained to one specific area of the Mideast.

Drop a nuclear bomb on Israel and the land is gone for centuries.

fanatics are rational.

I suppose if they are rational and scientifically advanced enough to engineer nuclear bombs in the first place, they would also be aware that their use does more harm than good.

But that's just optimism talking.

Most of those countries are sunni, Iran is shia. It's a different culture and power bloc.

For example images of Mohammed aren't as much of a big deal in shia islam. They have lots of images of religious people in their culture, unlike the sunnis.

Whether it is our own RW Christians, Al Qaeda or the heavily armed Jewish state, fundies are fundies. Overly violent and unwilling to compromise with other cultures.

We, the Israelies, Americans and British, should all apologize for stealing that Arab land. Every justification for the creation of the nation of Israel I have ever heard would also imply we ought to give all of NA back to the "Indians."

We felt so bad at the genocide the Jewish people experienced that we decided to steal some land for them to live on, but we'd never consider behaving accordingly with our own land. After all, in the case of Israel it was just a bunch of Muslims in the way, while over here in order to right the genocide we would have to fuck over Americans!

Of course back in the middle of the 20th century America was even more fundamentalist than we are today, so the choice was very clear for them, and they never even saw their own hypocrisy.

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second we shouldn't have been there in the first place.

it was an unintended consequence. Much like the storming of the US embassy in Tehran was an unintended consequence of US policy towards the Shah.

I thought that statement by Iran was found to be a RW meme and was actually never said. Do you have a reputable source if it was? Thanks.

Just because politicians -even religious ones- make hyperbolic statements does not mean the U.S. needs to start threatening them.

Which means pretty much the same thing.

people are crazy

Golly, isn't that what we've been criticizing Muslims for around here the last few days?

The last thing I want to do is defend Netanyahu. But no, he is not a zealot. Here is a dictionary definition of the word

Bibi is a warmonger...and really wants to bomb Iran. Mittens will help him with that. Zealotry????

he wants to bomb Iran for the hell of it? I really think if Iran wasn't going for the bomb, he wouldn't give a rats behind about Iran.

Are you aware of Netanyahu's history and political views? Obviously not.

You must not have heard Iamadinnerjacket say many times that Israel is going to be wiped off the map. I am going to take his word on that subject.

There is no room for zealotry on either side; I found irony in Bibi's extreme words, which apply to him and the neocons in this country as well.

Compromise isn't attainable when each side thinks they're right, and believe they're acting in the name of (their) god.

Or a link saying bibi thinks God would find it ok to wipe Iran out? Tell me how many countries has Israel threaten to wipe off the face of the earth? IRAN doesn't want compromise, they want (and other countries) Israel wiped out.


Trust me, somethings are Black and White.


I would like for you to tell me what Israel would have to do to stop Iran from making a Nuke? or using it on them?

Pot, meet Kettle.

From denigrating muslims in general based on an incident and then turning to focus on a specific country that's not actually involved in the incident.

damn. we will never learn

in a volatile situation.

Israel isn't all rich American republicans, but I do know a lot are!

I seen a video clip awhile back on young Americans in Israel putting down Obama.

Americans here saying the same thing? So the US must be mostly rich young republicans,right?

but continue broadcasting this stupidity. says quite a bit about you.

I'm sure you could find young Americans in the UK putting down Obama too. In fact, our former Defence Secretary Liam Fox is involved in advising the Romney campaign, which would be seriously worrying if he weren't so thick that any advice from him is likely to be counterproductive.

And how difficult is it to find out about Israel's population? Here's the answer, dear: Not hard at all. It's called teh google, and it would take you about 10 seconds to arrive here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
According to Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, in 2008, of Israel's 7.3 million people, 75.6 percent were Jews of any background.[1] Among them, 70.3 percent were Sabras (Israeli-born), mostly second- or third-generation Israelis, and the rest are olim (Jewish immigrants to Israel) – 20.5 percent from Europe and the Americas, and 9.2 percent from Asia and Africa, including the Arab countries.[13]

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When a post is deleted the person first reading the thread can't make any sense of it.

just click the show link.

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Peace,

Ghost

people of the US before Meir Dagen, former chief of Isreal's Mossad. Dagen is going to be on 60 Minutes tonight. Netanyahu can't have Americans believing any other point of view then his.

Meir Dagan, the former chief of Israel's Mossad, tells Lesley Stahl that Iran is a "rational regime" in an interview about Iran's pursuit of a nuclear bomb. Watch Stahl's report on Sunday, Sept. 16 at 7:30 p.m ET and 6:30 p.m. CT. 60 Minutes will begin at 7:00 p.m. MT/PT.

as planned in the 1997 strategic document presented to you by a group of US neocons. See, A Clean Break, A New Plan to Secure the Realm, http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

Who is a more dangerous fanatic than you Bibi?

I for one think the Ayatollahs should have as many nukes as they want.

with the lessons of unintended consequences, which our invasion of Iraq allowed for Iran to be in the position it is in today, it would be even more uncertain with an attack of Iran.

and how much of an attack should we do? Just destroy their nuclear facilities? From most reports they are under-ground so it would be very difficult to confirm success or failure. So that was the case it would most likely involve a more intensive attack which would not last one day, but an unknown length of time, with unknown consequences.

because if Iran gets a bomb and uses it you know Israel is going to use theirs and then the scale of death is to high to imagine.


Besides as the US AirForces Gold Rule #1 If you can see it you can take it out.

For that matter, how many Israelis do you want to see torn to bits, while we're at it?

with them making a bomb and using it? or at the very least black mailing the area?

Please don't tell me you think they would change their view on the Jewish state once they get a bomb?

How many dead Iranians and Israelis before you are happy with the situation, Missy? I want a precise number of how many men, women, and children of both nations you want reduced to ruins of meat.

your games. I just want to see Irans Nuke program wiped out. You worry about body counts ok?

You want to blow up a whole shitload of Iranians - and get another shitload of Israelis killed along the way - because you think it will achieve some political goal. Okay, I want to know how many dead people it will take to achieve this goal.

Because allow me to explain some fucking reality to you; bombing Iran is not going to achieve this goal you hold - unless I suppose you're one of those "bomb them into the stone age" assholes. Killing a lot of Iranians is not going to make Iran decide, "oh gee, I guess we shouldn't weaponize," it's going to do the exact opposite of that.

So again I ask. How many dead Iranians and Israelis do you want - need for your viewing pleasure? because that's what it amounts to, gore for the audience at home.

the lines of body count, I am not. You hit their sites until there is no more program. I hope there is no deaths but if there are its regrettable.

You are naive to think you can't wipe out their weapons program. It worked in the case of Iraq and it could work with the Iranians.


Again I ask you, do you think its wise to allow them to weaponize? If they get a bomb, is it ok for them to use it to blackmail the Israelis?

now you answer mine, do you think its wise to allow Iran to gain a nuke? How many Israeli deaths are ok with you if they should build a bomb?

that we had with the USSR?

I for one don't think Iran will ever really develop them. They are full of hot air and people let it get to them.

But even if they did, there's no reason to strike, as they would be destroyed.

What Bibi and others like him try to do is convince us Iran is so different and so special that it is full of people so suicidal they would gladly have their own country destroyed and all die off, just to get rid of Israel.

into oblivion. Mutually assured destruction is great. And the more countries like Iran, Libya and Somalia that have nukes, the more mutually assured destruction we will have.

I mean, JFK was an idiot for not wanting Cuba to have nukes. The same principles of mutually assured destruction were applicable.

In fact you should have felt safer then than now. The USSR's nukes are out there and probably not well secured.

They are for defense - don't attack us or your are destroyed. Right now, Israel could attack Iran, and some of their right wingers apparently want to - this is just an excuse.

Besides, Iran will never have them. They know they can pull our chains just with words.

"it takes one to know one Bibi" ...

I don't want anyone to have nuclear weapons, period.

beat the war drums. There is no doubt in my mind that his innuendoes are co-ordinated with the romney campaign, and it should surprise no one that Netanyahu and John Bolton both see eye to eye on this.

I find it interesting that his administration was one of the cheer leaders who were also pushing the talking point that Iraq had WMDs

How did that work out?

It was because of that excellent move that Iran is in the position it is in, and the whole middle east is destabilized.

What is being proposed here is a pre-emptive action to attack another country on the basis that they a developing nuclear weapons.

The implication that Netanyahu is making is that Iran would use that nuclear weapon pre-emptively against Israel. Does anyone really believe that Iran would NOT be leveled back to the stone age if that was done? It would be suicide for them, and that is why it would not happen.

My next point is when we were attacked on 9/11, what did we do? We invaded two countries. One was Afghanistan, which was providing sanctuary to our attackers, and the other, Iraq, was based on a lie.

If Iran was preemptively attacked, what do you think they would do?

According to this: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57477136-503544/romneys-international-listening-tour-england-israel-and-poland-in-six-days/

that will hurt Mittens. Surely the idea of going to war in Iran on the same basis as we did Iraq is not something many voters are enthusiastic about.

The leaders of both Israel and Iran have been rattling their sabres for nearly 10 years if not longer. One day it may come to something, though I hope not; but I suspect that Bibi is just crying wolf as he always does, and as Ahmadinejad does too of course.

(Come on Israelis and defeat your idiot Prime Minister!)

repeatedly threaten to wipe Iran off the face of the map? Or any other country for that matter? Besides Israel didn't sign the NPT while the Iranians did. So shouldn't they be punished for that treaty violation?

with protestor/rioters.

...and make all of these cranky Cold Warriors retire. Most Iranians are pretty cool and would be a welcome addition to the Western world most of us want. Just like us, though, they have to put leashes on their radical right wing or we're looking at WWIII. The aging Cold Warriors want to see it before they die, apparently.

Where homosexuals are not executed, people are not stoned to death for adultery, women have equal rights, and the country is run by elected leaders and not religious Ayatollahs?

I can't wait for that either. But I'm not holding my breath.

In fact many middle eastern countries had liberalized - women were doing more and more - until the era where they thought clinging to religion was going to get back at the interfering West.

Why wasn't Cuba's desire for nukes just as legitimate as that of the US?

Osama becomes Saddam ... Afghanistan becomes Iraq ... and Egypt and Libya are now Iran.

Every one got that??

What a complete asshole!

that are in Iran trying to get nukes.

Or is that not what he was trying to say?

It seems he is clearly trying to connect those dots while hoping that most Americans still can't find these countries on a map.

He's been claiming that Iran is minutes from getting a Nuke since the early 90s.

And now that the same fanatics just stormed our embassies, perhaps we should bomb them now.

of OUR presidential election.

Fuck Israel. They aren't innocent.

I happen to agree with him... Why should someone calling for the destruction of Israel be allowed to obtain nuclear weapons???

I honestly don't think President Obama's Administration wants Iran to develop nukes either.....

feh.