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geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 08:53 AM Sep 2012

Well-to-do get mortgage help from Uncle Sam - Reuters

This piece is an interesting follow up to r0mneys comment about middle class Americans having income in the $2-250k range. Do people making $300k+ really need government assistance to buy a house? Well, they don't need it, but they are apparently entitled to it.

Next time someone whines about someone using food stamps to purchase a food item that they don't approve of, remember all the unfortunate rich people who have to grovel at government coffers for loans to buy a $1.2 million house.



Well-to-do get mortgage help from Uncle Sam

It is no secret that the U.S. government propped up the housing market after the financial crisis. What the analysis by Reuters makes clear is the extent to which government programs have helped some of the nation's most well-to-do communities.

Julie Wyss earns $330,000 a year selling real estate in Silicon Valley. When the time came to look for a new home for herself, Wyss settled on a four-bedroom, three-bathroom house in Los Gatos, California, an enclave of young technology entrepreneurs. It has about 2,400 square feet of floor space, four sets of French doors and a price tag of $1.45 million. When she bought the house in June, her main financing was a $625,500 mortgage from Wells Fargo guaranteed by government-backed Fannie Mae.

The benefit to Wyss was an interest rate, of 4.125 percent, that was lower than she could have gotten on a loan that was not guaranteed by the government. "It's a totally sweet deal," Wyss said.

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Before the financial crisis, the limit on loans guaranteed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was $417,000. But in 2008, when widespread mortgage defaults pushed Wall Street to the edge of collapse, Congress changed the rules so that the companies could back mortgages of up to $729,750 in high-priced areas like Santa Clara.


I don't know. Nothing against rich folks, but I think that this is congress approved cronyism for the upper "5% of the middle class".
Well-to-do get mortgage help from Uncle Sam
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Well-to-do get mortgage help from Uncle Sam - Reuters (Original Post) geckosfeet Sep 2012 OP
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What the article doesn't say dickthegrouch Sep 2012 #2
Good point. But I am not sure that justitfies the US taxpayer subsidising people with $350k incomes. geckosfeet Sep 2012 #3
The feds have different notions of poverty in different areas dickthegrouch Sep 2012 #4
Perhaps. But calling that poverty is absurd. I understand the concept of housing costs. geckosfeet Sep 2012 #5
And WE LOST our house DiverDave Sep 2012 #6

dickthegrouch

(3,169 posts)
2. What the article doesn't say
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:09 AM
Sep 2012

Is that the median price of a 2 bedroom house in San Jose at the time was 670,000, and prices in Los Gatos were far higher. When I first moved to Silicon Valley 30 years ago, there was a run down shack on the side of highway 101 with "fixer upper: 250K" painted on the side (at a time when a 900sq ft condo was going for 100K).

It wasn't at all unusual for the real estate listings in 2008 to be showing places for sale at 800,000 along with a note saying last sold 725,000 (3 months ago).

There was an awful lot of fanciful valuation going on. It's not surprising far too few people can afford mortgages around here now. I can't afford to move because the move up to properties are still way outside my reach as a single wage earner.

dickthegrouch

(3,169 posts)
4. The feds have different notions of poverty in different areas
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 03:06 AM
Sep 2012

but AFAIK they don't have different notions of the cost of living.
In an area where a cheap 2BR apartment rental is $2000/month like Silicon Valley, and a 4BR house can be $3000/month quite easily, there is a need for those subsidies to be viewed differently.

Yes, raising one causes a raise in the other, but that's water under the bridge now. If any of the existing subsidies were removed (such as mortgage interest deduction), the housing market around here would become completely impossible for anyone to break into unless they inherit or win the down-payment and rob a bank every month to pay for it.

The regular guideline for mortgage affordability is 3x salary. There are so few properties in this area that come anywhere to close to as low as 3x salary I'm surprised there isn't far more distress in the real estate market than is acknowledged.

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
5. Perhaps. But calling that poverty is absurd. I understand the concept of housing costs.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 07:19 AM
Sep 2012

I live in the NE where housing is more costly than most of the country, but not nearly as costly as major metro areas. I do not expect nor do I receive any subsidies beyond being able to claim my property taxes as an exemption. My mortgage payments are easily over one third of my net income - which is well below $100k. They are less than half but easily over one third.

Part of my mortgage payment is escrowed property taxes. My guess is that any income tax relief that I have realized over the past 10-12 years has been more than consumed by property tax increases. The town find themselves able increase property taxes even in the face of horribly declining property values.

I understand your point, but I am afraid that I find federal lending policies in this instance misguided and somewhat out of touch. Instead of helping millions of people who are truly in housing distress, they subsidize a high income individuals purchase of a million dollar home.

Let them eat cake.

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