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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Without smart people, Rick Santorum would be trying and failing to start a fire in some cave"
Where I differ is on the implications of that observation. The values of regular folks are solid, but their grasp of facts may not be. We need scientists and experts to help us make good decisions. We need them to educate us. We need leaders to listen to them. When our values turn out to conflict with science, or our beliefs turn out to lack expertise, we need to defer to smart people.
Think about the vehicle we just landed on Mars. Does Rick Santorum have any idea how to land a vehicle on Mars? Does he know how his cell phone works? Can he rewire his house without getting electrocuted? Does he have any idea how the Google search engine works? If you dropped Rick Santorum into a time machine and delivered him to 1865, would he be able to make a light bulb or an internal combustion engine or create an antibiotic or cure Polio?
The truth is, almost none of us could do any of those things because we don't know shit compared to our scientists and experts.
Whether we are relatively smart or not, we don't know shit. So, we rely on our values to see us through. And that's fine. Most of our values make sense and have worked in human societies for thousands of years. But when people tell us not to eat wild mushrooms because they might be poisonous, we listen to them, don't we? Because they know better than we do. That doesn't make them more virtuous, and it doesn't mean that they know better than we do on every subject.
But to align yourself against smart people as if they are the enemy? That's crazy. Without smart people, Rick Santorum would be trying and failing to start a fire in some cave in the Kentucky mountains. So would most of you. So would I.
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porphyrian
(18,530 posts)...and without blind faith, no one would recognize the name Santorum today. Nor would his name have found its way into the modern lexicon as a term for something as fittingly disgusting.
rsweets
(307 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)It would take a bit, but I could team up with the scientists and engineers and probably hammer something out.
I probably couldn't just walk into a machine shop and mill out an engine, but I could probably design one and work with machinists and such to make the parts and get one running.
Hardest part would probably be the spark plugs and ignition system, but maybe I could make some sort of diesel engine instead.
I used to live for this sort of hypothetical...
PADemD
(4,482 posts)Smart scientific people developed Agent Orange and Thalidomide. Scientists need values, too.
LeftishBrit
(41,203 posts)corrupted.
And thalidomide has its uses: it is now used as an important treatment for some forms of cancer. Like most cancer treatments, it is dangerous when used indiscriminately, and especially during pregnancy. It was the drug company, not 'science' as such, that was immoral in this case.
Anything can be used for good or ill: water is essential for life but can kill by drowning.
I agree that everyone needs values!
PADemD
(4,482 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)The Ayn Rand philosophy would never stand for this. That's exactly how they would see it. People would still be starting fires in caves but for the smart or creative people. Republicans don't agree on this stuff, though they may not realize it.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)"Shouldn't you be banging rocks together or something?"
That PERFECTLY describes the entire GOP.