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You know what one place where Democrats have not openly criticized Bush is? (Original Post) tk2kewl Sep 2012 OP
ah yes the Fotherland......... oldhippydude Sep 2012 #1
I don't think there's a whole lot to be said because Gman Sep 2012 #2
I think there is a helluva LOT to be said about it.... lastlib Sep 2012 #5
What I "affectionately" call the KGWB.... lastlib Sep 2012 #3
Commissar... tk2kewl Sep 2012 #4
I never called him "Secretary"--always "Kommissar" Ridge... lastlib Sep 2012 #7
Commissar Duct Tape. RagAss Sep 2012 #6
Ah yes! Hometown Security! longship Sep 2012 #8
That's because it was a Democratic idea that Bush and the Repubs originally opposed. NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #9

Gman

(24,780 posts)
2. I don't think there's a whole lot to be said because
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:12 AM
Sep 2012

Homeland Defense consolidated several agencies under one umbrella, including Immigration and Naturalization (now ICE), and other branches that were separate but performed related functions.

lastlib

(23,171 posts)
5. I think there is a helluva LOT to be said about it....
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:26 AM
Sep 2012

...simply because of the concentration of power in one agency. Our Constitution, and our whole system of government is based on the DISPERSION of power, for the protection of the rights of the individual. We have certainly seen what has happened to the rights of the individual as that power has been concentrated within that agency. Washed away! Where is our rights of habeas corpus? GONE. Right to be free of warrantless searches? GONE. Right of privacy from government intrusion? GONE. The new reality is unchecked government power to tap our phones, read our e-mails, track our Internet usage, data-mine our financial transactions, spy on us with hidden (and not-so-hidden) surveillance cameras, AND overhead drones, tracking our movements via cell-phones, and God-knows what other kinds of insidious espionage tools. And ALL of that data/information is now available to ANY GOVERNMENT AGENCY that can dream up an excuse to have it.

NOW tell me there's not a whole lot to be said about it!!

And I will forever hold GEORGE W. BUSH and RICHARD B. CHENEY utterly responsible!!

. . . . .

lastlib

(23,171 posts)
3. What I "affectionately" call the KGWB....
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:14 AM
Sep 2012

When Bush created this Frankenstein monstrosity, I thought it was sounding a lot like the old Soviet KGB--and with GWB's chimp-paw prints all over it, it just seemed natural to call it the "KGWB".

And Tom Ridge just looked like a commissar--without all the battle-ribbons......

longship

(40,416 posts)
8. Ah yes! Hometown Security!
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:59 AM
Sep 2012

We have it here in the Manistee National Forest. The big guns are the black bears, but we also have Bobcats, raccoons, and gangs of coyote. Word has it that cougars have been imported. Those terrists don't stand a chance.

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
9. That's because it was a Democratic idea that Bush and the Repubs originally opposed.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:07 AM
Sep 2012

They flip-flopped and latched onto it to get votes during the midterms in 2002 because the idea was so popular (70%+ supported it).

http://mediamatters.org/research/2005/11/03/mehlman-falsely-suggested-democrats-were-primar/134150

Lieberman and Specter proposed the creation of a cabinet-level Department of Homeland Security in legislation (S.1534) introduced in the Senate on October 11, 2001. The White House initially opposed this legislation.

FLEISCHER: [C]reating a cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is, creating a cabinet post doesn't solve anything. The White House needs a coordinator to work with the agencies, wherever they are.

On May 30, 2002, then-Director of Homeland Security Tom Ridge stated that he would "probably recommend [President Bush] veto" a bill that created a cabinet-level DHS if such a bill were passed by both houses of Congress.

In a televised address on July 6, 2002, Bush reversed his administration's previous position, urging "Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." By then, 225 days had passed since Fleischer's first statement opposing the creation of DHS.
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