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I think Kamala will be the choice. As good as Susan Rice is, she has never been battle tested on the campaign trail as Harris has. Harris is perfectly suited to play the attack dog role, and she has legislative experience to help push Joe's policies on Capitol Hill. Susan Rice is perfectly qualified to be Secretary of State to repair the damage trump has done to our relationships with our allies around the world.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Bleacher Creature
(11,235 posts)Part of me would love to see Rice simply because it sends a message that we don't care about the Republicans' crazy conspiracy theories about Benghazi, but at the end of the day she's never been on the campaign trail.
Sugarcoated
(7,707 posts)Rice will give crooked Donnie and the RW freak show a target, ie: Hillary and Benghazi. Fair or not.
ChoppinBroccoli
(3,764 posts)He HAS to pick someone who is capable of winning a Presidential campaign in 2024. Susan Rice has never run a campaign for anything, and couldn't be counted on to win. That's why it HAS to be Harris.
judeling
(1,086 posts)Her presidential run is the largest mark against her. Basically she could do set pieces extremely well and everything else poorly. When challenged she had a hard time defending her own positions, let alone someone else's.
themaguffin
(3,805 posts)radius777
(3,624 posts)Trump's election was/is a national emergency to many that causes voters/media to flock to the old white guy candidates, hence Sanders and Biden finishing in the top two, despite they themselves having run poor campaigns. Kamala, Warren, Booker, Beto - imo all ran better campaigns and did little wrong yet failed to catch on due to be clouded out by the 'need to nominate old white guy' sentiment. The fact that the primary schedule begins in the white Iowa and New Hampshire also doesn't help.
Note that Biden himself has never been successful at presidential politics, yet did well as VP for Obama - because choosing a VP is all about demographic balance and the ability to the defend the President. Kamala, in this light, is the best choice by far for Biden as she's a woman of color, highly accomplished and willing to fight/play the attack dog role required of the VP.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Not a good idea if you want to be Biden's veep. That was actually my first thought when I saw it. What the HECK was she thinking??
radius777
(3,624 posts)Both Harris and Booker, as candidates of color, would obviously be concerned with Biden's (and really the Dem party's) past record on race and coziness with Dixiecrats.
If they didn't bring it up and get it out in the open - and note they could've brought up much more - Trump/RW would obviously bring it up now to try to suppress the PoC/AA vote.
Note that Biden himself critized Obama yet was still chosen. Many VP's have had prior contentious relationships with their future running mate - Poppy Bush comes to mind. In the 1980 presidential primaries it was Poppy who coined the phrase 'voodoo economics' to (accurately) describe Reagan's supply side theories.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)She wanted to leave Biden for roadkill and swipe his constituency. It didn't turn out that way, but that's what it was, and it wasn't even honest in that her Berkeley busing program was voluntary and Biden opposed compulsory busing. It was a cheap shot aimed at the completely wrong target. That's not a very promising beginning.
radius777
(3,624 posts)for years now, as its base is far more diverse than the type of (mainly white) candidates/narratives that dominate national politics.
Politics is hardball, and she's being held to a double standard that a white guy would not be.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)and I imagine that as a longtime pol he has less trouble than others understanding that politics is hardball. But it's still politics, and perception is all, and to people watching like me, it looked like a grotesque blunder. As others have said, if Biden thinks she's the one, fine, I'm behind him. But if I were advising him I'd urge him to look elsewhere.
Skittles
(152,964 posts)I am very disappointed in how things played out but.....well, it is what it is......this VP pick is absolutely critical, it really needs to be Kamala Harris.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Biden's not running for a second term?
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Biden is already pushing the age envelop for this term. Do we really want someone in their mid-80s as President? The best thing Joe could do is dedicate himself to a one term presidency while grooming his successor.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)And anything regarding Biden's age is just pushing a GOP talking point.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)It isn't a GOP talking point. Trump is nearly as old as Biden.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Anything that diminishes Bidens ability to be President is. Im sure Trump and the Republicans appreciate you carrying water for them.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Theyre nearly the same age. Both of them are already old for the Presidency.
When do you think age should be a factor? 85 clearly isnt it, what about 90? Should age be a factor at 90? No? What about 95? 100?
The simple fact is that age does affect humans.
Biden is going to make an excellent President. But he should position his successor to lead from 2024-2032.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Its ageism and a GOP talking point.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I'm not surprised.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)questions based on bigotry.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)It exposes the giant holes in your argument for what they are.
Its ageism and bigotry. And anything that diminishes Bidens ability to be President helps Trump and the GOP.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Thats why you refused to answer if youd support a 90 or 100 year old President.
That doesnt mean Biden wont be an excellent President (he will be) but it does mean he ought to consider how to manage his legacy and his successor.
Im curious - do you have a logical argument that supports the idea of Biden running for a 2nd term - entering at 82 and exiting at 86 - would be better for our party than Biden selecting and grooming successor to take the reins in 2024?
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Pure and simple. Ability is ability.
Biden has the ability to be President for 2 terms. Saying anything less just helps Trump.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Ability can diminish extremely rapidly with advanced age.
I think Biden will be a great President. If he chooses to run in 2024 I will hope for the best with his health and support him as I do now.
But god, man, dont bury your head in the sand because you dont like the reality above ground.
Youre doing our party a disservice by trying to focus on a second Biden term instead of encouraging Biden to lead for 4 while mentoring his successor.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)And helping Trump and the GOP by diminishing Biden.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)for the next 8 years. How is that diminishing him?
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Dont put words in my mouth.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Dont pretend that they are.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)It's why you couldn't explain how attempting a two-term Biden presidency would be better for our party than Biden selecting and grooming a successor for 2024.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Don't play games.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)That's telling. Suggesting that Biden is incapable of determining an obviously preferable course of action for our party - and country - is the same as trashing Biden.
You've been unable to provide any argument whatsoever in support of your position.
Why would it be better for our country and our party for Biden to run for two terms - finishing his second term at age 86 - instead of selecting and grooming his VP to be his successor in 2024?
Until you answer that question the only logical assumption is that you're trying to disrupt and mislead. Biden will be an excellent President. He's more than capable of helping our country dig out of the mess that Trump has made. And he's also competent and politically savvy enough to know what's best for 2024.
You're trying to change the subject. Biden has the ability to serve as many terms as he wants. That is the issue.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)As you've refused to state why you think Biden running for two would be better for party and country than Biden selecting and grooming his successor to take over in 2024, you've left me no choice but to assume your reasoning. And the only assumption I can make is that you want to disrupt and damage our party and our chances down the road.
Luckily Biden is competent and savvy. He knows he's going to be selecting the person to take the reins, whether you accept that or not is another matter.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)and not parroting GOP talking points that diminish Biden.
demmiblue
(36,743 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)They are all horrible, or have horrible veeps to do the horrible stuff (thinking of Ike). If Biden wants a second term he'll have to earn it, like any other president, but I'd far far prefer a Biden term 2 than another wingnut nightmare.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)A strong Democrat mentored by Biden to take the reins in 2024.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And that wouldn't help his mentee much. We'd basically repeat the last two years of primary season while Biden limped along as a lame duck. It wouldn't help much in 2022 and that too could hurt his veep. Biden can always demur on a second term if he has to but I think it's not a good idea to announce it any sooner than necessary.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)A well selected VP is the first step. Positioning that VP to take an significant and active role in his administration is the second step.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Only one term.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)at least not publicly.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,149 posts)peacebuzzard
(5,123 posts)I think whoever Biden feels comfortable working with is the best choice. But the two candidates mentioned were my personal two finalists.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)She has name recognition, the right credentials and she appeals to AA's as well as Asians. She has executive experience being the AG of the most populous state in the nation.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)most stemming from her time as a prosecutor. But some personal issues as well.
Callado119
(171 posts)...because she dared to run against Bernie. The primary proved once again that Bernie and his supporters have no idea what black voters think. Harris is the most popular choice among black voters according to the latest polls, and theyre not going to be fooled by misinformation about her record..
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)radius777
(3,624 posts)of a self-determined, attractive and ambitious woman of color - similar to the irrational fear of Obama that led to birtherism.
Historically PoC are only 'allowed' to succeed in America if it's in service of white interests.
greyl
(22,990 posts)all of the potential VPs. Your post has no point, only blunt negation.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Havent heard that about Rice or Demings. Care to elaborate?
greyl
(22,990 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)You made a claim and Im asking you to back it up. Can you or cant you?
PunkinPi
(4,870 posts)According to that poll 69% of African Americans favor someone else.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Who on that poll is favored more than Harris?
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)but she is still only favored by 31% of African Americans. I wouldn't call that overwhelming support.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)31% is great. That no one else garnered more support is telling.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)It still says that 69% of African Americans preferred someone else.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)But she still doesn't have overwhelming support from African Americans.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)It would be just as accurate to say there isnt a single VP contender with more support than Kamala.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)But it is still only 31%. That is not overwhelming support.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)But still only 31%.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)But still not overwhelming.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)69% chose someone else.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)69% spread their support amongst 11 others someones - not just one.
Kamala received significantly more support than any other candidate.
Kampalas support is staggering. Just go back a few months to look on the DU primaries forum when support was split so evenly amongst the various candidates. 31% when there were 12 candidates would have been an incredible lead.
No matter how you and others try to spin this, the fact remains that Kamala is the first choice - by far - of Black voters in that poll.
Thats true. But still not overwhelming support for Harris. And it doesnt disprove my original statement.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Considering she got the most support.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)if makes you happy.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Being accurate and honest is important.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,149 posts)She is picked as first choice by more than twice as much as anyone else. You're wasting people's time in this thread with such a crap argument.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)But 31% is not overwhelming support.
calguy
(5,222 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)She is an excellent choice. All the armchair analysts need to learn the let the unimportant shit go. Jill has.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kamala-harris-once-went-after-joe-biden-but-now-theres-only-bonhomie-as-the-vice-presidential-tryouts-continue/2020/06/26/9b525566-b6f9-11ea-a8da-693df3d7674a_story.html
On Friday, a far different dynamic was on display. Harris (D-Calif.) smiled broadly as she introduced Jill Biden as our next first lady. Jill Biden closed her eyes and put her hands over her heart as she recalled how Harriss op-ed on black maternal health touched her.
"Both Dr. Biden and Valerie have nothing but the utmost respect, admiration and affection for Senator Harris, Biden campaign spokeswoman Elizabeth Alexander said in a statement. Any rumors or conjecture to the contrary are not true and have zero basis in reality or fact.
Lithos
(26,397 posts)I think both will draw attacks from the Trump crowd, mostly because they are women. I do agree that Susan Rice would make a great Secretary of State.
Also, I think both would mince Pence in the debate and hand back various body parts to him. Yes, I realize the VP debate is more a formality, seeing either up against Pence would be must-see TV.
EarnestPutz
(2,085 posts)....President and took some shots at Joe on the debate stage. If he picks her he shows that he doesn't hold a grudge and compares it to Trump who is all about grudges.
Delarage
(2,182 posts)He could change his mind and pick Missy Elliot or Lady GaGa and I'd still vote for him.
Celerity
(42,643 posts)She was born March 28, 1986. Buttigieg (January 19th, 1982) would have made it by ONE day to be eligible to run in 2016. AOC (October 13, 1989) makes it by 99 days to be eligible in 2024. To REALLY get down into the legal weeds, you technically attain your age the day BEFORE your birthday, so if Pete (or anyone) was born on January 21st (ie attained the age of 35 on January 20th of the swearing in year) they would be eligible, although I am sure the opposing party would try and challenge it in court (and lose). I know this to be the case, as one of my friends was born on November 9th, 1998, and her father (an attorney) made sure that she was allowed to vote in the 2016 elections (as she was legally considered 18yo on election day, November 8th, 2016).
Just some trivia.
Delarage
(2,182 posts)Maybe Janet Jackson? She could insist at the debate that Pence call her "Miss Jackson" because he's nasty.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Response to calguy (Original post)
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Jeebo
(2,005 posts)I want all the sitting U.S. senators to stay where they are. I know California is a solid blue state with a Democratic governor, but still, weird things sometimes happen in the real world. I want all the sitting U.S. senators to stay where they are.
Susan Rice is more of a bureaucrat than a politician, but she's brilliant and capable and really knows her stuff. That's what I have noticed about her every time I have seen her interviewed. Yes, there's Benghazi and also her crazy right wing son, but that will only resonate with people who are not going to vote for the Democratic ticket anyway. And they'll find something to go after any Democrat for, whoever Biden's pick is.
Susan Rice is so smart and so knowledgeable and so articulate that I think she'll make mincemeat of Pence in the debates.
I want Susan Rice. Somebody mentioned her for secretary of state. I want Fiona Hill for secretary of state in the Biden administration and Sally Yates for attorney general.
One more thing: Susan Rice is cool as igloo ice. Have you seen that picture of her throwing out the first pitch at a major league baseball game? That woman is cool as igloo ice. (I just made up that phrase "cool as igloo ice". I hope it goes over.)
And I repeat, I want all the sitting U.S. senators to stay where they are.
-- Ron
Celerity
(42,643 posts)2002) presents the issue that she is not eligible to be in the POTUS line of succession. SoS is number 4. I would think, as that is a very high level, her being picked there would give pause, although there is a fairly recent precedent to still appoint her in Madeleine Albright (not POTUS-eligible either.)
Also, I HIGHLY doubt, if she is not chosen as VP, that Harris will be completely frozen out and not even offered a VERY high position in the Biden cabinet. AG is obviously the natural one. I think she would take it.
Finally, if we do not take back the Senate, good luck getting Rice (if she is not VP) approved by a Rethug Senate for any position. They will do anything to block her. In fact, if they maintain control, they may well go full stop scorched earth and try and block Biden on damn near every pick, for the full 4 years (or 2 if they lose control in 2022).
Jeebo
(2,005 posts)If they hate her that much, there must be something REALLY good about her. Which makes her a GREAT choice for vice president, in my humble opinion, or for any position that requires senate confirmation.
Also, I don't think the line of succession is much of a concern at this point, because the probability is so low that it will ever get down as far as No. 3 or 4.
I want Susan Rice as vice president.
But, of course, I will support whoever Biden's pick is. If she's Amy Poehler, as somebody else in this thread suggested tongue-in-cheek, shucks, if she's a yellow dog, I'll support her. Because four years of that loathsome orange thing in the White House has turned me into a yellow dog Democrat.
-- Ron
Celerity
(42,643 posts)a big scandal on Obama and Clinton, and so they hitched their wagon to Benghazi. Rice became a principal face of it. Many on the left do not like her because they see her, Samantha Power, and also Sec. Clinton, etc. as the face of empiric wars (the Democratic side, obviously Bush, McCain, Graham, etc are RW faces) and the 'humanitarian bombing' (their description of 'responsibility to protect' being, in their eyes, abused) doctrine. Power is the principal pusher of that type of military interventionism (she literally wrote the book on it), but they see Rice as her compatriot in it, along with Clinton, and ultimately Obama (as he was the head of the military as commander in chief at the time).
The RW (the ultra hawk ones like mad bomber Bolton, the now passed on McCain, et al.), in regards to Rice, are pure hypocrites, as they love military interventions when they are done by THEM.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,149 posts)beyond the scenario in "what if..." dramas. Number 2 in that list - Nancy Pelosi - would only get it if Trump and Pence were both indicted on undeniable criminal charges (or Trump really does something stupid to prevent the official recognition of Joe Biden; in which case she could be president for a few minutes, while she sorts it out). Once there is no longer a criminal as president, it wouldn't happen. And the senior senator getting it wouldn't happen either.
Martin Eden
(12,802 posts)Like it or not, that's a consideration with a president who will turn 80 halfway through his term.
Kamala Harris really turned me off in the debates. I think she will hurt the ticket more with swing voters than Rice would.
TeamPooka
(24,155 posts)SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)Biden-Harris 2020!
PurgedVoter
(2,191 posts)Al Franken is just one reason why.
radius777
(3,624 posts)and was already in the Obama admin along with Biden - we need new blood.
Kamala is much more in tune with middle aged and younger people: she's feisty, sharp and attractive and has a good sense of humor.
She's also a battle tested politician who has won several difficult statewide races.
Rice has no such experience - which is important to have as the VP's main job is to defend the president and sell his agenda.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)so, so what to all the fun, entertaining stuff?
As for needing "new blood," says who? Which hostile agents chose that hackneyed, highly negative term, instead of "highly experienced" say?
But again, why is old blood bad and should we allow ourselves to be so easily jerked around? Is it "boring"? Has someone been insinuating there's something tainting about Obama admin associations? Shouldn't that be an impressively good qualification?
Anyway, as Vice President of the United States, both would dealing from a position of great power almost entirely with other people in top positions. Now and then they'd make public statements, and when they did it'd be as the VP. The power of that position changes how a person is seen and eliminates all need to entertain audiences. And no one would think the VP should be "feisty."
As for the campaign, fwiw, a lot of people think that. But Biden himself is enough of a star and doesn't need carrying by a better campaigner. A former Democratic campaign manager said they need 3 things from the running mate: a competent acceptance speech, a competent performance at one debate, and something else, another competent speech I think. Everyone considered could handle those.
My problem with Rice is that awful son. Impossible to believe he wouldn't use her spotlight to try to advance his arch-conservative ideas; he is talented and would be titillating enough to get in the news a lot. But if Biden chose her, he'd obviously believe that wasn't disqualifying.
LeftInTX
(24,541 posts)DFW
(54,050 posts)There is no guarantee that Harris even WOULD push Joe's policies on Capitol Hill or elsewhere. She is one of the few names under consideration who, if past performance is any indication, would only have Biden's back with a knife in her hand.
She gives me the distinct impression that she would be prone to manoeuvering Biden out of office at her earliest possible convenience, in order to grab the presidency that the Democratic voters in the primaries overwhelmingly did NOT want her to have.
With Trump and Pence being their own worst enemies, and Trump is at his "best (if one can call it that)" when attacking or answering an attack, I don't think we need an attack dog as VP candidate any more than Obama did in 2008. Calm, deep intelligent reason with an undercurrent of steel (ask Lindsey Graham) is what Biden needs as a counterbalance to the Republican ticket, not an attack dog the Republicans can point to as a mirror image of their own boorish aggressiveness. That is exactly what voters are tired of. Otherwise, someone with an attack dog nature would have beat Joe in the primaries long ago. We had enough of them.
If it comes down to Rice or Harris, and Harris wins, I'll obviously support the ticket no matter what, but I sure as hell won't be placing any bets on a smooth completion of Biden's first, and probably only term, or a unified primary season in 2024. And that is assuming that a VP Harris is smart enough to not ruffle so many Democratic feathers as to exclude her from having a chance in the first place. If she wins, I'll be the first to cheer her on to prove me wrong, but I'd prefer Rice in that position from the start, and not take the risk.
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 6, 2020, 06:33 AM - Edit history (1)
Those comments about Harris are way out of line and dont belong here.
Biden should choose who he trusts, personally and professionally.
There's a massive misreading of Harris that she somehow commands big support in the among African American community. I don't know where this comes from as I can tell you first hand that's not really the case.
During the primary she had very low Black support which got even lower after she implied Biden was a racist.
Both women are competent, but I hope Biden goes with his gut feeling, whoever it may be.
DFW
(54,050 posts)My hope is that his gut feeling leads him elsewhere, but at the end of the day, he has to work with his choice, not any of us. This is not a Dan Quayle or Sarah Palin situation. Biden has had plenty of time to study his options, and should know enough by now about all of them to be confident about his decision. If he's torn between several of them, well that's probably an indication that he has studied their attributes at least as well as their negatives. His choice, whoever it is, will be an informed one, and that's what counts.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Harris showed us who she is and what she wants to do in the first debate. She was completely frank and clear. Why anyone would doubt what their eyes and ears told them that night I don't know, but that was Harris in fine. As you point out, she faltered quickly in the primaries and didn't demonstrate any particular appeal to primary voters. I think Jill Biden mistrusts her and I hope Joe takes her misgivings seriously.
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Of course I've known it for months.
judeling
(1,086 posts)The way this seems to be rolling out makes me think it is Rice. First it is only two names, normally the actual leaked short list would have three or four. But it is two with the rational that they had a close relationship with Biden. But, with Rice it is the relationship forged working in the White House together, with Harris it is the connection with his son. Also it is certainly also being reported that Biden promised a black woman to the Supreme Court.
Tea leaves I know, but tea leaves put in an arrangement.
PunkinPi
(4,870 posts)JI7
(89,173 posts)Happy Hoosier
(7,073 posts)She has never held elected office and never campaigned. She offers foreign policy expertise, but she could offer that as SoS. In short, she doesnt bring anything to the ticket that she couldnt offer In another capacity even better.
Not sure why the Harris hate here, and somewhat amused by the idea that shed try to pack Joe off before 2024. She has politically sharp elbows. Nothing wrong with that. We need someone willing to throw an elbow when necessary.
lostnfound
(16,138 posts)After Biden is elected, and especially in a failed economy, the trump cult is going to go off the deep end. We will have armed marauding gangs, home invasions, and domestic terrorism. It could evolve into The Troubles like in Ireland.
We need strategic decision makers.
I think that as NSA, Rice had to understand the full range of security threats including domestic terrorism. She certainly understands the Russia threat. She was also engaged with the pandemic response plan.
Rice seems steady in character, knowledgeable and a deep thinker. Shes quieter but I dont think thats a negative.
I dont think having a Republican son is bad either. Its an experience in bridging the divide.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)PunkinPi
(4,870 posts)TuxedoKat
(3,818 posts)then I hope it is Rice.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,080 posts)I think Harris fits the Vice Presidential role the best.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,355 posts)I would be happy with either but I hate that Susan Rice would be constantly dogged about Benghazi
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Hillary had to take responsibility and keep quiet about it, or saw herself carrying that burden, but Rice doesn't have to, and a little truth-telling could prove very embarrassing to the RW and its allies.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,355 posts)It would just be dredged up over and over again in the right-wing fever swamp.
littlemissmartypants
(22,417 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)She is still my favorite too.
NNadir
(33,368 posts)I also believe that Senator Harris has the experience to do the job if called upon to be President. I'm sure Susan Rice does too, but I just feel more confidence in Senator Harris in that role.
But what we really need is a President and Vice President who can rise to the occasion. Our country has nearly been destroyed and we need someone who can bring it together.
CatLady78
(1,041 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,149 posts)If so, how long ago?
It seems to me an experienced campaigner is a good asset. It's not just the presidential race - there are senatorial races that Democrats need to win, for the future of the country. Harris would be good at that; Rice is an unknown quantity for getting out the vote, and so on.