Nothing against her at all, I just don't think she's being considered in the top two.

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Next question.

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painted himself in a corner with his earlier remarks and it will be a person of color. We despartely need someone to excite our base of progressives and I just don't see it. I honestly think this election will be more about not wanting Trump versus wanting Biden.

Who is more progressive and by how much?

the SF area has to be somewhat progressive but during the Dem presidential debates she did come off as a progressive but admittedly is a strong woman - I like that but I am specifically thinking of the younger crowd (the future of the Democratic Party) and she doesn't seem to have the chops for that group....but I definitely could be wrong.

Considering the fact that the VP has to usually take a subordinate role Harris just doesn't seem to be that sort of personality. With regard to AA candidates I personally like Stacy Abrams - she is a fighter and comes across as more genuine to me. That being said I like them all.

Elizabeth Warren is my idea of someone that can take us into the next century and at least make an attempt to stop the blatant corruption that has become America. We seem to take pride in success whether it be from being a sleazeball or even a scumbag more so that being honest and of high character and I think the VP in this case will probably be the next President in 2024 unless we destroy ourselves before then.

check out her ranking on her voting record. It's top ten progressive.

And your only critique appears to be that you think Harris isnt subordinate enough? But you like Abrams because she's a fighter?
And how is Harris not "genuine?" Is that code for "too ambitious?"

Help me out here.

rhetoric so I could be mistaking Harris's ambition as being more willing to be a moderate. I like her, she is impressive but do you think she has the progressive chops to excite the LGBTQ, and Millennial crowd enough to get them to the polls? And don't forget the Hispanic vote - they could be the real factor.

Regardless, I think the key to victory for us in turnout and that is the bottom line. The GOP will do everything possible to suppress the vote, they will lie, cheat and steal to win and have little or no morals. They attract the worst elements of our society and that include brain-dead evangelicals and that is a large percentage of America (sadly).

I have seen a steady downturn since 1980 as our nation has become more and more right-wing and I do think this is the most important election in my lifetime. That is why I hope Biden's choice is strategic and thoughtful.

so why do we expect any of our VP choices would be able to?

The ones that want Trump gone will come out regardless. The ones that don't probably weren't coming out regardless.

Everything indicates that our side is on fire to vote. Certainly in volume greater than 2016 when at maximum enthusiasm Trump was BARELY able to beat Clinton, someone who didn't not generate that same level of enthusiasm and generated large enthusiasm against her. Biden certainly doesn't do that.

So given that there is almost no reason to believe that Trump will bring out MORE voters for him than last time, and almost no reason to believe that Biden won't bring out more voters than Clinton got, and given the almost fluke-like needle threading Trump needed to win last time...

You really should be a little less fearful than you appear to be right now.

To win Trump would need to get out more voters than last time, plus somehow keep Biden from getting out more voters, and have the same threading the needle while riding a camel fluke of last time to happen, all while polling shows him losing or tied in places like Ohio, GA, TX, NC, IA, and NV. States that have been usually red in recent times. Not to mention losing by near double digits in WI, PA, MI, and losing in FL.

Do I think it will be closer than we like? Yes. Do I think Trump has much of a chance? Nope. Even cheating, as we expect, will only be able to do so much. 2018 showed us that our side can do a blue wave when motivated. While, negative motivations works as well as positive, sometimes, even better. Trump's all the motivation we need.

"You really should be a little less fearful than you appear to be right now."

I just can't imagine another 4 years of this. And although I'm not that sure that we can completely turn things around in terms of Climate or Crony Capitalism - a really big win would make a world of difference for not only the US but also the rest of the world. We were saying that it will be a "fireworks worthy" celebration!!

Peace and Love!

Cripe already.


More like who's in & who's out, kinda club.
Wtf.

Who exactly determines who gets to wear the P after their name?
Who.

This is nutz

entertained. Seriously, fuck them .

I question their values . IF they can't see the horror of what is going on I do not consider them to give a shit about other people .

Now Joe has to "dance with the partner that brung him". And that is as it should be. That primary would have been his last.

And since he must have a black vp, it might as well be a female. ALL of the black female vp options would be a good choice. Some better than others. It shows his support for blacks AND his support for women.

You can't get more progressive than that, without starting to lose votes.

You can't please ALL the people ALL the time, but he is coming close, whether Harris OR Rice. I believe Harris has more excitement to offer, but Rice is already a known quantity for Joe. Either one will more than fit the bill.

she is very well regarded by black women.

Harris will be our 2024, 1st female US President.

Harris checks every box & is a powerhouse leader in her own right.
She will grow a solid Democratic Party as VP, for her 2024 win.

2020 VP will be Sen Kamala Harris ~ 💙 Solid Blue

Warren was fairly popular with Black voters in the primary, Harris not at all (record as prosecutor and AG in California). That said, I think Warren might alienate some of the moderate Democrats, as well as the fed-up Republicans and Independents who have moved to Biden.

I'm not sure either will be the one. But what do I know? Answer: nothing.

The Primary showed the popularity of Warren. She didn't even win in her own State.
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2020 Massachusetts primary results
Joe Biden won Massachusetts, beating Elizabeth Warren, who finished third in her home state.
Last updated July 20, 2020, 4:47 p.m. ET

VOTES
DEL.
Joseph Biden, Jr. 2020 election candidate
Joe
Biden
33.6%
470,294
45

Bernard Sanders 2020 election candidate
Bernie
Sanders
26.7%
373,173
29

Elizabeth Warren 2020 election candidate
Elizabeth
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21.4%
299,733
17

Michael Bloomberg 2020 election candidate
Michael
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11.8%
164,689
0

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/2020-election/results/massachusetts/amp/
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Harris or not, Warren doesn't have the Black vote.
Joe Biden does.
Harris is a far more perfect fit for Biden, regardless of Color, Race, Religion or Gender.

Harris is the face & skillset of the future.
Warren is well suited for Cabinet or in her strongest skillset, that of Finance..
That is where she will do the most positive work for our US govt transformation.

So we have to go back to the primaries

Joe Biden leads with black voters, and Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are making better inroads with younger ones than Kamala Harris and Cory Booker. In interviews, voters rejected the idea that racial representation equated to change.

... In the latest national polls, Senators Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Bernie Sanders of Vermont, the two progressive standard bearers in the Democratic primary, are Mr. Biden’s closest rivals in terms of black support — not Ms. Harris, of California, or Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/25/us/politics/2020-election-black-voters.html

What were the primary vote #'s of Warren in the Southern States, again?
Right.

In the consideration of Harris or Warren, it doesn't matter because it is Joe Biden who brings the Black vote.

He doesn't need either of them to bring that.
He's passing the Democratic baton to our 2024 candidate (The long game)

Always had, doesn't need help there. But that was not the topic of this thread.

South Carolina 2020 Democratic Primary

Votes
Candidate
Delegates
Percent
Count

Joe Biden
39 48.4% 256,047

Bernie Sanders
15 19.9% 105,197

Tom Steyer
0 11.3% 59,893

Pete Buttigieg
0 8.2% 43,606

Elizabeth Warren
0 7.1%
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Joe Biden carried the Black vote in the 2020 Primary.

Warren never did have the Black percentages & Harris had left the race. There's nothing to compare.

Frankly, I'm not that keen on either of them. Though I will be content with anyone on the short list. We make way too much of this VP pick. It's really rather unimportant—unless you pick someone really really bad who harms the candidate (cf. McCain picking Palin).

Don't get me wrong. I love Elizabeth and voted for her in the primary.

But the Biden campaign has very much hyped up a woman of color at this point. If the VP isn't, it would feel a bit deflating.

There's just too much expectation of a woman PoC.

Which I'm super fine with. I like all of the names floated.

I absolutely adore her, but although she has twice the energy of someone half her age, Joe is picking someone who's likely to be our next nominee for POTUS.

I'd love to see Elizabeth as Secretary of Commerce or Secretary of Labor.

I've always thought Kamala Harris came straight from central casting for anybody who was making a movie with a female president. Plus I think the VP pick probably does have to be a woman of color right now. Which will be absolutely wonderful!

Joe absolutely has to pick someone who can be president on day one. I don't think he's a two-termer. I think he's absolutely thinking about 2024 in his decision. He's looking at succession. Which is wise, and that's why he's a smart guy.

I think Kamala may be it. She was actually my first choice initially. I'm Californian in the Bay Area. I knew her before she was even AG. I've met her a few times. (So tiny in person! You see people on TV and think they're basically your size. Nope. So tiny!).

She has this Obamaesque charisma just pouring out of her. I'm not sure what the heck happened with her in the primary. I think it was too soon. She clearly couldn't figure her footing. She seemed out of her element. But if you've never seen Maya Rudoph do her, you must. It's hilarious.

I kind of want Elizabeth to stay in the Senate. I want her to become full Ted Kennedy.

If only they got to vote, we’d have much better presidents. Biden never said specifically it would be a woman of color, and the alternative is Trump. They will vote for Joe.

If it’s a white woman, it’s probably Whitmer. But my money’s still on Harris.

She is a former multi-term Congresswoman, she is a Hispanic who is many generations a native born American, and she has administrative experience before she became a Congresswoman (she ran a large State of New Mexico administrative division as a very young woman) and now as Governor of the state. She checks all the boxes that Joe says are important, plus, she likely makes Florida, Texas and Arizona blue for Joe. A little know fact about Florida, there are more voting non-Cuban Hispanics here than voting African Americans, so even in Florida, she would help Joe big. ALSO, I seriously believe that Joe admires President Obama so much that he would want President Obama’s total approval of any choice he makes, both men worked with the New Mexico Governor during her time in Congress, so both should know a lot about her political and administrative capabilities. Lastly, President Obama has let to be known that he is ready to go to help Joe, I believe that, will help. Lastly, African American voters are very pragmatic, the vast, vast majority won’t consider not voting because Joe didn’t choose a Black woman.

and was endorsed by many of their leaders.

Do we have a troll here? What else would explain such a question.

Unless it is for the sole purpose of stirring shit within the family, with our "progressive" siblings?

Enquiring minds, and all...

But I want her in the senate or in a top post like Treasury.

Would much rather have a younger VP. I'd like to see a VP that can take over in 4-8 years

She checks all the boxes that Joe set for experience, and she is a many generations USA Latina who can bring Florida, Texas and Arizona into the blue column.

I believe that African Americans are sane voters. They will look for a ticket that will produce solid progress for AA, even if the VP is not AA. Joe has good relations with AA office holders and he has President Obama rearing to go out and stomp for him. I believe that President Obama will pull in the AA support, even without an AA VP choice. I would bet anyone that Biden is sounding his thinking and his top choices of President Obama at this very moment and won’t chose someone that President Obama is not jazzed about.

Personally, I think she'd be PERFECT for the job. If not her, then I'd like to see Tammy Duckworth as VP.

Also interesting, she did well on Fox when she went and introduced herself, her ideals and her plans to their viewers. They liked her.

But African American voters might not be as enthusiastic for her as they would for an African American women.

Nice shit-stir, though! 😂

I do believe there would be an issue if she is chosen over the Black and Hispanic women that are being considered. I am not sure that she helps in states like Florida, Texas and Arizona. To be fair, the only choice that I see bringing those states to the blue column is a Hispanic, that leave the Governor of New Mexico as the best choice, she has Washington DC experience as a Congresswoman and she has exercise executive administrative experience, on top of her being a Hispanic woman.

Three strikes against her:

1) She would be replaced in the Senate by a Republican governor.

2) The kind of causes she advances would be best served by her building support in the Senate

3) At this moment in history, an all-white democratic ticket would be political malpractice.

I'd add that I don't think there is anything to be gained politically by appointing her. The "Progressives" who would consider not supporting Biden won't generally be won over by Warren. They want Bernie and ONLY Bernie and they consider Liz a "Snake in the grass."

Liz is not my puck for Veep even though she was my pick for President because I don't think the ticket needs two 70-something white folks. But the idea that Democrats should make such decisions based on who they perceive might appeal to Republicans is very misguided.

We should hear today who our new VP will be, I believe.

Period end, there is no point in anyone getting alienated over VP choice.