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Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 05:39 AM Aug 2020

Very little blowback from gun nuts about NY AG's action against NRA

Went over to AR15.com to see what they are saying.

Below are typical comments:

"WLP is too greedy and stupid to realize he's the face of corruption and old guard at NRA. He's putting himself before the org and our rights. A TRUE leader would understand the user/market and step down or into a board position and find someone who represents the org better.


That being said, the NRA is by far the largest and most effective gun rights org so far, even with all the shit.


I'm on the sidelines till Wayne, Marrion et al are gone, but at some point we'll need to step in and get it running again. Or it's replacement."

"I hope the training/education side of NRA can come out of this with a good reputation still intact. They do good work.

The political side needs a complete purge."

"People donating to the NRA at this point have Stockholm's Syndrome."

"NRA is in the business of blowing all your money with no results, and taking credit for the actions of other organizations."

"We can't reform from the inside because even if we elect a group of reformers to the board, the NRA stops paying for board member's legal defense if they say anything bad about Wayne or the rest of the board. This is very relevant because the NY AG and others are suing the NRA and so any board members are going to have legal fees. This is why some board members resigned while ago; you are either party to a corrupt organization or you have to foot your own legal defense."

Great majority of the posts over there are about the need to make a change with the leadership at NRA.





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Very little blowback from gun nuts about NY AG's action against NRA (Original Post) Kaleva Aug 2020 OP
The realization you've been bilked for nigh on 40 years must be an awakening bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #1
Maybe there's hope Delarage Aug 2020 #2
I don't know about that but they don't seem to have much luv for the NRA leadership Kaleva Aug 2020 #4
Not at glocktalk kwijybo Aug 2020 #3
Here are a couple of posts from that site Kaleva Aug 2020 #19
Ok so they loose their charter in NY, prosecute the top people, give back the money that's left... mitch96 Aug 2020 #5
They just realized they've been grifted. C_U_L8R Aug 2020 #6
A gun owner interviewed on local news here in Texas was fine with the announcement. Lonestarblue Aug 2020 #7
NRA members were played by slick grifters dlk Aug 2020 #8
I went to a different gun forum last night Chainfire Aug 2020 #9
I was expecting a lot more discussion about this at the site I went to. Kaleva Aug 2020 #12
what stops NRA from forming a NEW not-for-profit entity in another state? NOTHING, beachbumbob Aug 2020 #10
The point is that several here were saying that this was going to cost us dearly this election. Kaleva Aug 2020 #15
They've been grifters for years. My dad was a lifetime NRA member. He joined back in the catbyte Aug 2020 #11
Worth watching: PCIntern Aug 2020 #13
Just keep referring to the NRA Board of Directors DIVINEprividence Aug 2020 #14
That should be the message. That this is about the corrupt NRA leadership. Kaleva Aug 2020 #18
Bottom Line weissmam Aug 2020 #16
Methinks firearms owners realize the NRA doesn't . . . DinahMoeHum Aug 2020 #17
Two Possibilities: GopherGal Aug 2020 #20
Recommended Dennis Donovan Aug 2020 #21

bucolic_frolic

(42,662 posts)
1. The realization you've been bilked for nigh on 40 years must be an awakening
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 06:55 AM
Aug 2020

They should have figured it out by 2005, but Duh!!

Delarage

(2,182 posts)
2. Maybe there's hope
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 06:56 AM
Aug 2020

These people sound almost rational. Maybe they'd be open to common-sense reforms---closing gun show loopholes, background checks, taking guns from violent people, banning military-style weapons. But promoting gun safety/training, etc.

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
4. I don't know about that but they don't seem to have much luv for the NRA leadership
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 07:14 AM
Aug 2020

I go there from time to time and most are against bans on military style guns, restrictions on magazine capacity, waiting periods and such.

The good news is is that it's hard to find anyone over there viourasly defending the NRA.

Here's some more comments in a thread over there about saving the NRA:

"The whole organization is a poisoned well.

bury it.

A new one that actually works and isnt just there to fleece people for money while promoting gun control infringements will rise but not until the nra is buried or wlp is in a body bag."

"Whether the allegations are or not, Wayne's position in the NRA should be voted by the membership, not dictator for life. If you can't get rid of someone for cause, then it's a problem."

"I'm an NRA life member. I refuse to donate one more cent to them. All my 2A go to FPC and SAF now. If another group looks to be making a run at replacing the NRA all my dollars will go there."

kwijybo

(220 posts)
3. Not at glocktalk
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 07:11 AM
Aug 2020

They seem to be OK with bankrupting the executives and the board, and returning the money to the NRA to "continue the fight". Then the subject turns to the AG dissolving the NRA, and they are extremely unhappy with that.

Oddly enough, this is the same group that wanted to dissolve ACORN, Planned Parenthood, etc, and burn their buildings down, sow their sand with salt, all metaphorically speaking of course, because Project Veritas made some fake videos about them.

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
19. Here are a couple of posts from that site
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:09 AM
Aug 2020

"Maybe they can come to some sort of mediation, and kick out that scumbag LaPierre as part of the deal. Then I can rejoin them finally. I won't rejoin until he is unemployed."

"I always write the NRA with my annual renewal and offer to pop for a life membership, IF they get rid of Wayne....."

Taken from a thread that had 10 comments in it. I couldn't find any other but admittingly, I'm not familiar with that forum.



mitch96

(13,816 posts)
5. Ok so they loose their charter in NY, prosecute the top people, give back the money that's left...
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 07:26 AM
Aug 2020

Can't the NRA just open up in some other state and do what they do? I bet Texas, Idaho,Montana would love to sponsor them.... I read where they started out after the Civil War to train people how to use fire arms. Somehow in the late '50s early 60's they got corrupted to what we see today.
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C_U_L8R

(44,891 posts)
6. They just realized they've been grifted.
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 07:28 AM
Aug 2020

Ideology just got run over by reality and they have no idea what to say or do.

Lonestarblue

(9,874 posts)
7. A gun owner interviewed on local news here in Texas was fine with the announcement.
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 07:40 AM
Aug 2020

He has been a long-time NRA member and commented that it used to be a good organization for training and gun safety. He said it had gone astray when it ventured into politics and changed the mission of the Organization. So he was not upset at all, but he was also an older man, not likely one of those who would take their assault rifles to peaceful protests or to state houses demanding their freedom.

After Trump suggested the NRA move to Texas, our idiot Attorney General Ken Paxton was all for it. I so wish we could have Democrats back in the state government. It would be sane again.

dlk

(11,431 posts)
8. NRA members were played by slick grifters
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 07:40 AM
Aug 2020

Just like Trump played them. Perhaps some of them are coherent enough to see a pattern

Chainfire

(17,305 posts)
9. I went to a different gun forum last night
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 07:49 AM
Aug 2020

for the same reason. To my surprise, there was no active thread about the NRA, and this on a site with a lot of lifetime NRA members.

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
12. I was expecting a lot more discussion about this at the site I went to.
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 08:16 AM
Aug 2020

The main thread has already slipped to page 2.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
10. what stops NRA from forming a NEW not-for-profit entity in another state? NOTHING,
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 07:56 AM
Aug 2020

this is more of PR thing that something that could end NRA. Unless all the NRA officials and board members are tried and convicted and sent to prison, this is mere hot air.

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
15. The point is that several here were saying that this was going to cost us dearly this election.
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 08:27 AM
Aug 2020

By what I and others are reading, that may not happen.

catbyte

(34,169 posts)
11. They've been grifters for years. My dad was a lifetime NRA member. He joined back in the
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 08:06 AM
Aug 2020

1970s. He was a cop and thought that most gun owners that he saw were really too stupid and clueless about gun safety to own one so he appreciated the training and safety aspect of the group. Then, in the 1990s, they started getting really political and that's when dad got disgusted. In true dad fashion, he demanded they cancel his lifetime membership--by taking one of their postage-paid cards, taping it to a brick, and dropping it off at the post office.

Dad was a staunch Democrat.

I really miss my dad.

 

DIVINEprividence

(443 posts)
14. Just keep referring to the NRA Board of Directors
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 08:26 AM
Aug 2020

They are the ones that exposed the corruption and fraud. I think because they played the members for fools and ripped them off, the blowback is not as bad as one would think but we shall see. I think really this is about the SDNY setting the table to drop indictments on Trump

DinahMoeHum

(21,737 posts)
17. Methinks firearms owners realize the NRA doesn't . . .
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 08:40 AM
Aug 2020

. . .really represent them, but rather gun manufacturers.

"Beau of the Fifth Column" says just as much. . .



GopherGal

(1,999 posts)
20. Two Possibilities:
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 10:44 PM
Aug 2020

1) Haven't gotten their instructions about how to message/what to post from Russia yet.
2) Embarrassed at being bilked

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