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Quixote1818

(28,928 posts)
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 12:42 PM Aug 2020

538: Biden Is Polling Better Than Clinton At Her Peak

Election Day is now just three months away, and the overall trajectory of the race hasn’t changed much recently: Joe Biden continues to hold a sizable lead over President Trump. Biden is now up by 8 percentage points in FiveThirtyEight’s national polling average, and he has an advantage of 5 points or more in several key battleground states like Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Faced with these numbers, though, a lot of people — Republicans, Democrats and people with no particular party affiliation — raise a reasonable question: “Wasn’t Hillary Clinton leading in the polls too?”

Well, yes. But not quite like this. We compared Biden’s standing to where Clinton was at this point in the polls four years ago.1 We specifically chose this point in the cycle in 2016 because it’s about where Clinton hit her peak — on Aug. 7, 2016, following the Democratic National Convention, Clinton had a 7.5-point lead over Trump in national polls.

Clinton never topped that lead. But as you can see in the chart below, even at her post-convention peak, Clinton’s lead over Trump still wasn’t as large as Biden’s is now.

More: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/biden-is-polling-better-than-clinton-at-her-peak/

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538: Biden Is Polling Better Than Clinton At Her Peak (Original Post) Quixote1818 Aug 2020 OP
Hillary never passed the 50% mark Nululu Aug 2020 #1
That 50% mark is where it begins to be difficult for the competition to beat! Thekaspervote Aug 2020 #5
The electorate is desperate. apcalc Aug 2020 #2
And Trump is given a 27% chance of winning the election. Towlie Aug 2020 #3
Until Biden is declared the winner, I am going to work like he is 20 points down. Quixote1818 Aug 2020 #4
My fear is that beyond the typical ebb and flow of the spread, there may be empedocles Aug 2020 #6
Agreed Nululu Aug 2020 #9
It's ticked down a point each day so far... sweetloukillbot Aug 2020 #7
They Mentioned In The Timing Explanation, But... ProfessorGAC Aug 2020 #8

Nululu

(840 posts)
1. Hillary never passed the 50% mark
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 12:49 PM
Aug 2020

Biden has and continues to rise.

Trump's attempts to destroy Medicare, Social Security, and the Post Office right before the election demonstrate his delusions.

Trump's actions on top of gross incompetence for covid prove how thick his coccoon of fantasy is. He's completely divorced from reality if he believes these are popular moves.

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
3. And Trump is given a 27% chance of winning the election.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 12:57 PM
Aug 2020
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

That's better than the chance of flipping a coin twice and getting heads both times. If you believe fivethirtyeight.com then I don't think it's quite time yet to sit back and smugly claim that the election is in the bag.

Quixote1818

(28,928 posts)
4. Until Biden is declared the winner, I am going to work like he is 20 points down.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 01:02 PM
Aug 2020

But this is a bit encouraging.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
6. My fear is that beyond the typical ebb and flow of the spread, there may be
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 01:23 PM
Aug 2020

a trump uptick as Kamala attacks start to gain some traction.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
8. They Mentioned In The Timing Explanation, But...
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 01:32 PM
Aug 2020

...I think it's important to emphasize:

it’s about where Clinton hit her peak — on Aug. 7, 2016, following the Democratic National Convention, Clinton had a 7.5-point lead over Trump in national polls.

Biden has had no convention bump!
There has been no convention, and the lead is larger than in 2016, which did have that bump.
Just a ray of optimism!
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