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boston bean

(36,220 posts)
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 02:12 PM Sep 2020

All over the news here in New England

All of these new cases of Covid at all kinds of schools.

I was always against in person school until a therapeutic or vaccine was available.

What was obvious, and those in charge wishing wouldn’t happen, is now happening.

Keep the kids at home please. Life is important. Life of the kids, their parents, their grandparents are important.

I just cannot believe we are going to let this get worse.

Close the schools and remote learning for all. That is best.

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All over the news here in New England (Original Post) boston bean Sep 2020 OP
You have a specific article? n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Sep 2020 #1
Many. Use google. boston bean Sep 2020 #2
Most posters provide more info or a link to your story! nt USALiberal Sep 2020 #31
Colleges: sl8 Sep 2020 #8
Colleges might be worse than k-12 because of the parties n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Sep 2020 #10
Sure. sl8 Sep 2020 #15
That's what happened in Wisco. AllyCat Sep 2020 #29
it's too late for colleges pstokely Sep 2020 #32
Here's a start Ms. Toad Sep 2020 #11
Yeah, I've seen that one Zing Zing Zingbah Sep 2020 #14
in person schools herd "mentality rampartc Sep 2020 #3
don't know where this is, but it is completely possible Zing Zing Zingbah Sep 2020 #4
Makes me crazy-- arguing over school openings. "Kids learn better in school". Well, duh... TreasonousBastard Sep 2020 #5
It's dangerous for the kids, yes FakeNoose Sep 2020 #9
"Maybe these kids won't get too sick with the virus" llmart Sep 2020 #28
Movies are better in the theatre... lame54 Sep 2020 #24
Here in DE, they just decided that high school sports can restart woodsprite Sep 2020 #6
It really, really isn't that easy. And I FULLY SUPPORT schools being closed right now. jpljr77 Sep 2020 #7
Agreed Zing Zing Zingbah Sep 2020 #12
Anything is easier than death. boston bean Sep 2020 #13
And I get that, but I also get how easy it is for some people to just say that. jpljr77 Sep 2020 #16
If people are sending their kids to school they better not be visiting the grandparents boston bean Sep 2020 #27
I totally sympathize Zing Zing Zingbah Sep 2020 #34
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2020 #23
Yep, and it's not like parents will immediately... Buckeye_Democrat Sep 2020 #17
How are poor kids w/o a computer or even wi-fi at home supposed to learn? Seems like a MASSIVE BamaRefugee Sep 2020 #18
I have a senior in our country school. Alwaysna Sep 2020 #33
Some kids will fall seriously behind. Some will be emotionally scarred Warpy Sep 2020 #19
Some referemces about the topic would be handy relayerbob Sep 2020 #20
But But But SPORTS!!!! Tommymac Sep 2020 #21
The collective blowback from this generation will be well deserved. ancianita Sep 2020 #22
At least we're not leaving them with trillions in debt and a ravaged environment. Oh, wait. Pluvious Sep 2020 #30
Lol yeah, plus once things are back to normal school shootings Zing Zing Zingbah Sep 2020 #35
I just don't understand why the schools were opened so soon, they caved to the parents.... George II Sep 2020 #25
And the districts and students whistler162 Sep 2020 #26
U.S. daily new cases up 16% from about a week ago (7 day moving avg) progree Sep 2020 #36
It's not always that simple. cab67 Sep 2020 #37

sl8

(13,720 posts)
8. Colleges:
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 02:40 PM
Sep 2020

From https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/heres-how-many-coronavirus-cases-there-are-at-every-college-in-new-england/2191364/



Here's How Many Coronavirus Cases There Have Been at Every College in New England


So far, more than 700 students have tested positive at nearly 80 schools across Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island and Vermont

By Marc Fortier • Published September 9, 2020 • Updated on September 10, 2020 at 11:57 am

[...]

CASES BY STATE:

Connecticut has 361 cases at nine schools

Maine has 23 cases at eight schools

Massachusetts has 252 cases at 34 schools

New Hampshire has 38 cases at five schools

Rhode Island has 30 cases at five schools

Vermont has 18 cases at seven schools

[...]

sl8

(13,720 posts)
15. Sure.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 02:54 PM
Sep 2020

Also, the student body of colleges typically has a more geographically diverse background than K-12 schools.

I haven't seen numbers for K-12, though.

pstokely

(10,524 posts)
32. it's too late for colleges
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:00 PM
Sep 2020

even if they go 100% remote, infected students will go home, and many will just stay in town if they've have leases at apartments that they can't get out of

rampartc

(5,400 posts)
3. in person schools herd "mentality
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 02:17 PM
Sep 2020

the working class women could not return to work as long as the kids were at home. there is no way that any kind of masking or distancing could be accomplished in 1st grade classes. spread pf the disease is inevitable.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
4. don't know where this is, but it is completely possible
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 02:24 PM
Sep 2020

The kids are required to wear masks in my district. If the kids can't wear masks, the schools will tell the parents they need to do full time distance learning. Class sizes are no bigger than 10 students because they do distance learning 3 days a week.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
5. Makes me crazy-- arguing over school openings. "Kids learn better in school". Well, duh...
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 02:27 PM
Sep 2020

Of course they do, but they don't learn shit if they are in the hospital. Or dead.

I thought that a fundamental, absolute rule with kids is to maintain their health and safety. Do no harm. Aren't we thinking insanely about giving guns to teachers to defend against school shooters? How about some sane thinking about Covid and the position of school nurses. (We do still have school nurses, don't we?)

So what if football or basketball season is cancelled. Yeah, the kids' 1% shot at a scholarship may be killed. But that's better than the kid being killed, isn't it?

Many parents, especially single ones, have to deal with what to do with young kids at home. Are we as this newly "Made Great" nation incapable of coming up with an answer for this? We just threw about a trillion bucks away with no accounting-- how about actually planning what to do with that kind of money?

Makes me sick.

FakeNoose

(32,617 posts)
9. It's dangerous for the kids, yes
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 02:41 PM
Sep 2020

But the real danger is when the school kids bring the virus home to parents, grandparents, and other relatives including siblings. Maybe these kids won't get too sick with the virus, but it could be fatal for older adults.

Another important issue is the residual damages to the victim's heart, brain, liver, lungs and other vital organs could LAST A LIFETIME. The child may survive the virus but not the organ damage, we just don't know, and nobody should be willing to take a chance on their own child's life and health.

I'm amazed that we even have to explain this to the idiot ChumpHumpers. This should be a no-brainer!


llmart

(15,536 posts)
28. "Maybe these kids won't get too sick with the virus"
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:53 PM
Sep 2020

Don't forget, there are no long term studies yet on what damage is done that may not show up for years. We just don't know enough about that yet.

So, maybe the kiddies don't get as sick, but down the road who knows what organs may be compromised.

woodsprite

(11,909 posts)
6. Here in DE, they just decided that high school sports can restart
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 02:30 PM
Sep 2020

even though our numbers are eeking up that schools and higher ed are back in session.

jpljr77

(1,004 posts)
7. It really, really isn't that easy. And I FULLY SUPPORT schools being closed right now.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 02:39 PM
Sep 2020

We have three kids learning from home right now, and my wife and I are both working full time from home. Things are going fairly well. But my wife is actually a public school teacher. So when she's actively teaching, she is 100% unavailable, which means any questions or issues fall to me. And that's fine. Most often, I can stop what I'm doing and help.

But I cannot fathom how other households make this work. Imagine a household with two parents who are essential workers or who otherwise have to be physically present at their jobs. Or even a single parent who can work from home, not able to rely on a partner for help. Or any combination of the above.

We are very lucky that we can do our jobs from home, but so many others cannot. And in our area, the only solutions for these parents involve paying extra to have their kids distance learn somewhere else. Guess which socio-economic groups that hurts the most?

Again, I fully support distance learning, but please understand there are enormous complications for many, maybe even the majority, of families in the U.S. And aggressively pushing this "keep schools closed" agenda might wind up being a very real political liability. There is no correct solution here because this problem was ignored by the federal government and then actively made worse.

jpljr77

(1,004 posts)
16. And I get that, but I also get how easy it is for some people to just say that.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 02:55 PM
Sep 2020

If you're in your 30s-40s, in good health, with kids in good health, you look AT THE SCIENCE of the impact of the virus and come to a very different conclusion.

The conversation doesn't just end with "Anything is easier than death" when you're talking to someone with an extremely low chance of death.

I empathize with your position, trust me. We have completely changed our lives to protect those more vulnerable than us. Not just my mom and mother-in-law (personal relationships), but total strangers that we can protect. Why can't you empathize with mine? The school issue is unworkable for an extended period of time.

boston bean

(36,220 posts)
27. If people are sending their kids to school they better not be visiting the grandparents
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 06:07 PM
Sep 2020

Going to the store, playing in the park, eating at a restaurant.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
34. I totally sympathize
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:08 AM
Sep 2020

I am in my early 40's. I have one kid in 6th grade and another who just started college. The older kid's education isn't all that different because most of his classes were already online. My concern has been more for my 6th grader, but I feel better that he can at least see his teacher in person a couple days a week. We basically don't see any friends or extended family any more either.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
17. Yep, and it's not like parents will immediately...
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 02:58 PM
Sep 2020

... put their kids in a quarantined plastic bubble as soon as they return home from school.

Previous contact tracing has consistently shown that most people get infected from others in their home (who contracted it elsewhere).

It's far worse than even among healthcare workers regularly exposed to infected people. (Who are helped by PPE, of course.)

https://www.ancestry.com/corporate/newsroom/press-releases/ancestry%C2%AE-covid-19-study-points-gene-associated-male-susceptibility-covid-19

Last month, Ancestry shared that an early analysis of self-reported study data shows that healthcare workers with direct exposure had six-fold higher odds of COVID-19 infection than the overall survey population, while people living with someone with COVID-19 were at 121 times higher odds of COVID-19 than the overall survey population.

BamaRefugee

(3,483 posts)
18. How are poor kids w/o a computer or even wi-fi at home supposed to learn? Seems like a MASSIVE
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 03:12 PM
Sep 2020

education gap is coming that could affect these kids for the rest of their lives as they fall behind.
I don't have kids so I really don't know how it all works.

Alwaysna

(574 posts)
33. I have a senior in our country school.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:18 PM
Sep 2020

I let the school know early on that I wanted distance learning. There are about 425 students from preschool to 12 grade. Each graduating class has between 8- 30 kids. When school first started late, there were only 10 kids doing distance learning. Two teachers became sick right before school started. Yesterday we learned 2 kids have it. Now there is a third kid sick. I hear the school is ordering more laptops. My girl received her laptop right before school started. They don't provide internet but they do provide laptops.

Warpy

(111,228 posts)
19. Some kids will fall seriously behind. Some will be emotionally scarred
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 03:22 PM
Sep 2020

but they'll be alive and well to catch up and and heal the scars.

Please add teachers to your post. That is who is at highest risk and we can't afford to lose them.

Opening the schools was the most colossally boneheaded edict that has ever come out of this colossally boneheaded presiduncey.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
21. But But But SPORTS!!!!
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 03:42 PM
Sep 2020

Sports are driving a lot of re-openings, imo, and this needs to stop.

The NCAA needs to stop ALL sports at ALL colleges, and encourage the high school state organizations to do the same.

I love football and baseball and basketball...but fuck them during a pandemic. They are so totally unimportant in this environment.

If the pro's wanna play fine - they get paid and are adults who can make a choice. To make amatuer young people play sports to fufill a stupid fetish among some adults is criminal.

George II

(67,782 posts)
25. I just don't understand why the schools were opened so soon, they caved to the parents....
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 04:02 PM
Sep 2020

....many of whom aren't used to taking care of their own children.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
26. And the districts and students
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 04:47 PM
Sep 2020

that don't have enough devices for the students where internet access it minimal to nothing. Young students whose single or both parents have to work who don't have siblings. Those students are SOL according to you!

progree

(10,901 posts)
36. U.S. daily new cases up 16% from about a week ago (7 day moving avg)
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 11:48 AM
Sep 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html
(no paywall issues or quota issues on NYT coronavirus coverage)

U.S. daily new cases, 7 day moving average
9/12: 34,588 lowest point since late June
9/18: 40,283 latest
+16.5%

Also the little mini-charts of all the states at the top of the page are scary -- lots and lots of them have a definite upturn in the last few days (of 7 day moving averages so its been going on for several days). Lets see, Labor Day weekend was 9/5-9/7.

And school starts and reopenings

And deSatan opened up the bars in Florida about a week ago, I think it was

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/florida-coronavirus-cases.html
Florida daily new cases, 7 day moving average
9/14: 2,494 Recent low
9/18: 2,754 Latest
+10.4%

cab67

(2,992 posts)
37. It's not always that simple.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 01:58 PM
Sep 2020

Much depends on the educational level, but for some subjects, there are classes that really can’t be translated into a virtual format. (Mine is one such field.).

Keep the kids at home to the greatest extent possible.

(Greetings from a Springfield expat!)

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