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All of these new cases of Covid at all kinds of schools.
I was always against in person school until a therapeutic or vaccine was available.
What was obvious, and those in charge wishing wouldnt happen, is now happening.
Keep the kids at home please. Life is important. Life of the kids, their parents, their grandparents are important.
I just cannot believe we are going to let this get worse.
Close the schools and remote learning for all. That is best.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)boston bean
(36,220 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)sl8
(13,720 posts)Here's How Many Coronavirus Cases There Have Been at Every College in New England
So far, more than 700 students have tested positive at nearly 80 schools across Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island and Vermont
By Marc Fortier Published September 9, 2020 Updated on September 10, 2020 at 11:57 am
[...]
CASES BY STATE:
Connecticut has 361 cases at nine schools
Maine has 23 cases at eight schools
Massachusetts has 252 cases at 34 schools
New Hampshire has 38 cases at five schools
Rhode Island has 30 cases at five schools
Vermont has 18 cases at seven schools
[...]
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)sl8
(13,720 posts)Also, the student body of colleges typically has a more geographically diverse background than K-12 schools.
I haven't seen numbers for K-12, though.
AllyCat
(16,174 posts)pstokely
(10,524 posts)even if they go 100% remote, infected students will go home, and many will just stay in town if they've have leases at apartments that they can't get out of
Ms. Toad
(34,058 posts)Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)Was in MA. I haven't seen something about the whole region of New England.
rampartc
(5,400 posts)the working class women could not return to work as long as the kids were at home. there is no way that any kind of masking or distancing could be accomplished in 1st grade classes. spread pf the disease is inevitable.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)The kids are required to wear masks in my district. If the kids can't wear masks, the schools will tell the parents they need to do full time distance learning. Class sizes are no bigger than 10 students because they do distance learning 3 days a week.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)Of course they do, but they don't learn shit if they are in the hospital. Or dead.
I thought that a fundamental, absolute rule with kids is to maintain their health and safety. Do no harm. Aren't we thinking insanely about giving guns to teachers to defend against school shooters? How about some sane thinking about Covid and the position of school nurses. (We do still have school nurses, don't we?)
So what if football or basketball season is cancelled. Yeah, the kids' 1% shot at a scholarship may be killed. But that's better than the kid being killed, isn't it?
Many parents, especially single ones, have to deal with what to do with young kids at home. Are we as this newly "Made Great" nation incapable of coming up with an answer for this? We just threw about a trillion bucks away with no accounting-- how about actually planning what to do with that kind of money?
Makes me sick.
FakeNoose
(32,617 posts)But the real danger is when the school kids bring the virus home to parents, grandparents, and other relatives including siblings. Maybe these kids won't get too sick with the virus, but it could be fatal for older adults.
Another important issue is the residual damages to the victim's heart, brain, liver, lungs and other vital organs could LAST A LIFETIME. The child may survive the virus but not the organ damage, we just don't know, and nobody should be willing to take a chance on their own child's life and health.
I'm amazed that we even have to explain this to the idiot ChumpHumpers. This should be a no-brainer!
llmart
(15,536 posts)Don't forget, there are no long term studies yet on what damage is done that may not show up for years. We just don't know enough about that yet.
So, maybe the kiddies don't get as sick, but down the road who knows what organs may be compromised.
lame54
(35,279 posts)But it will be a long time before you catch me in one
woodsprite
(11,909 posts)even though our numbers are eeking up that schools and higher ed are back in session.
jpljr77
(1,004 posts)We have three kids learning from home right now, and my wife and I are both working full time from home. Things are going fairly well. But my wife is actually a public school teacher. So when she's actively teaching, she is 100% unavailable, which means any questions or issues fall to me. And that's fine. Most often, I can stop what I'm doing and help.
But I cannot fathom how other households make this work. Imagine a household with two parents who are essential workers or who otherwise have to be physically present at their jobs. Or even a single parent who can work from home, not able to rely on a partner for help. Or any combination of the above.
We are very lucky that we can do our jobs from home, but so many others cannot. And in our area, the only solutions for these parents involve paying extra to have their kids distance learn somewhere else. Guess which socio-economic groups that hurts the most?
Again, I fully support distance learning, but please understand there are enormous complications for many, maybe even the majority, of families in the U.S. And aggressively pushing this "keep schools closed" agenda might wind up being a very real political liability. There is no correct solution here because this problem was ignored by the federal government and then actively made worse.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)A lot of people are struggling.
boston bean
(36,220 posts)jpljr77
(1,004 posts)If you're in your 30s-40s, in good health, with kids in good health, you look AT THE SCIENCE of the impact of the virus and come to a very different conclusion.
The conversation doesn't just end with "Anything is easier than death" when you're talking to someone with an extremely low chance of death.
I empathize with your position, trust me. We have completely changed our lives to protect those more vulnerable than us. Not just my mom and mother-in-law (personal relationships), but total strangers that we can protect. Why can't you empathize with mine? The school issue is unworkable for an extended period of time.
boston bean
(36,220 posts)Going to the store, playing in the park, eating at a restaurant.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)I am in my early 40's. I have one kid in 6th grade and another who just started college. The older kid's education isn't all that different because most of his classes were already online. My concern has been more for my 6th grader, but I feel better that he can at least see his teacher in person a couple days a week. We basically don't see any friends or extended family any more either.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)... put their kids in a quarantined plastic bubble as soon as they return home from school.
Previous contact tracing has consistently shown that most people get infected from others in their home (who contracted it elsewhere).
It's far worse than even among healthcare workers regularly exposed to infected people. (Who are helped by PPE, of course.)
https://www.ancestry.com/corporate/newsroom/press-releases/ancestry%C2%AE-covid-19-study-points-gene-associated-male-susceptibility-covid-19
Last month, Ancestry shared that an early analysis of self-reported study data shows that healthcare workers with direct exposure had six-fold higher odds of COVID-19 infection than the overall survey population, while people living with someone with COVID-19 were at 121 times higher odds of COVID-19 than the overall survey population.
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)education gap is coming that could affect these kids for the rest of their lives as they fall behind.
I don't have kids so I really don't know how it all works.
Alwaysna
(574 posts)I let the school know early on that I wanted distance learning. There are about 425 students from preschool to 12 grade. Each graduating class has between 8- 30 kids. When school first started late, there were only 10 kids doing distance learning. Two teachers became sick right before school started. Yesterday we learned 2 kids have it. Now there is a third kid sick. I hear the school is ordering more laptops. My girl received her laptop right before school started. They don't provide internet but they do provide laptops.
Warpy
(111,228 posts)but they'll be alive and well to catch up and and heal the scars.
Please add teachers to your post. That is who is at highest risk and we can't afford to lose them.
Opening the schools was the most colossally boneheaded edict that has ever come out of this colossally boneheaded presiduncey.
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Sports are driving a lot of re-openings, imo, and this needs to stop.
The NCAA needs to stop ALL sports at ALL colleges, and encourage the high school state organizations to do the same.
I love football and baseball and basketball...but fuck them during a pandemic. They are so totally unimportant in this environment.
If the pro's wanna play fine - they get paid and are adults who can make a choice. To make amatuer young people play sports to fufill a stupid fetish among some adults is criminal.
ancianita
(36,015 posts)Pluvious
(4,308 posts)Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)will probably resume.
George II
(67,782 posts)....many of whom aren't used to taking care of their own children.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)that don't have enough devices for the students where internet access it minimal to nothing. Young students whose single or both parents have to work who don't have siblings. Those students are SOL according to you!
progree
(10,901 posts)(no paywall issues or quota issues on NYT coronavirus coverage)
U.S. daily new cases, 7 day moving average
9/12: 34,588 lowest point since late June
9/18: 40,283 latest
+16.5%
Also the little mini-charts of all the states at the top of the page are scary -- lots and lots of them have a definite upturn in the last few days (of 7 day moving averages so its been going on for several days). Lets see, Labor Day weekend was 9/5-9/7.
And school starts and reopenings
And deSatan opened up the bars in Florida about a week ago, I think it was
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/florida-coronavirus-cases.html
Florida daily new cases, 7 day moving average
9/14: 2,494 Recent low
9/18: 2,754 Latest
+10.4%
cab67
(2,992 posts)Much depends on the educational level, but for some subjects, there are classes that really cant be translated into a virtual format. (Mine is one such field.).
Keep the kids at home to the greatest extent possible.
(Greetings from a Springfield expat!)