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LuckyTheDog

(6,837 posts)
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 09:25 PM Mar 2013

Re: What Scalia said. We need to research an aspect of it. Could be impotant

Does anyone know when and where the "phenomenon that is called perpetuation of racial entitlement" has "been written about"?

My guess is that if we find that, we'll find out that Scalia was referencing a known racist. But so far, I have not fund any older references to that "phenomenon."

Can somebody else with better research skills help out?

I have a strong hunch that there could be something there.


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Re: What Scalia said. We need to research an aspect of it. Could be impotant (Original Post) LuckyTheDog Mar 2013 OP
Any link to what he said?? Angry Dragon Mar 2013 #1
pdf: elleng Mar 2013 #3
thanks Angry Dragon Mar 2013 #4
Could be but not really relevant, elleng Mar 2013 #2
I think it could be very relevant... LuckyTheDog Mar 2013 #5
But its not in the record in the case, elleng Mar 2013 #6
Regardless - he said it during oral arguments... LuckyTheDog Mar 2013 #7
It would be interesting, but not 'important' practically speaking, imo. elleng Mar 2013 #8
If the info increased the pressure on Scalia to retire... LuckyTheDog Mar 2013 #9
I would love to be a fly on the wall hearing the private discussion between Scalia, northoftheborder Mar 2013 #10
I wondered about this, too. StrayKat Mar 2013 #11
I would guess he read some Thomas Sowell article somewhere cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #12
On Rachel Maddow tonight. . . StrayKat Mar 2013 #13

elleng

(130,865 posts)
2. Could be but not really relevant,
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 09:35 PM
Mar 2013

as only relevant matters are already in the record of the Court for this case.

Other members, however, won't let him get by with this b.s., imo.

LuckyTheDog

(6,837 posts)
5. I think it could be very relevant...
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 10:04 PM
Mar 2013

... if a Supreme Court justice has been referencing racist material.

elleng

(130,865 posts)
6. But its not in the record in the case,
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 10:07 PM
Mar 2013

and Supreme's decisions are based on those records, so other Justices won't allow his imaginings to become basis for a decision.

LuckyTheDog

(6,837 posts)
7. Regardless - he said it during oral arguments...
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 10:21 PM
Mar 2013

... and he is a Supreme Court justice. It would be politically very important if his source material was something questionable.

elleng

(130,865 posts)
8. It would be interesting, but not 'important' practically speaking, imo.
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 10:23 PM
Mar 2013

and 'politically important?' Don't know what that means, in this context.

LuckyTheDog

(6,837 posts)
9. If the info increased the pressure on Scalia to retire...
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 10:25 PM
Mar 2013

... of course that would be important. If he is referencing racist "research," then even Republicans would have to turn against him.

northoftheborder

(7,572 posts)
10. I would love to be a fly on the wall hearing the private discussion between Scalia,
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 12:18 AM
Mar 2013

and Sotomayor about this case. Sonia Sotomayor is one tough cookie, super smart, and not afraid to speak her mind.

StrayKat

(570 posts)
11. I wondered about this, too.
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 01:15 AM
Mar 2013

I really don't know much about this stuff, but a quick internet search makes it seem like it might come from Edward J. Erler, a professor of political science at California State University, San Bernardino.

http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2003&month=09

"Forty years ago, skeptics were assured that affirmative action was only a temporary measure, and that it would end when genuine equal opportunity had been achieved. But everyone knew—or should have known—that once racial class entitlements are established, they are not easily abolished. Twenty-five years from now, the idea they are based on will only become stronger. There is no self-limiting “termination point” in the regime of racial entitlements."

Doesn't that sound very similar to what Scalia said?

"I think it is attributable, very likely attributable, to a phenomenon that is called perpetuation of racial entitlement. It's been written about. Whenever a society adopts racial entitlements, it is very difficult to get out of them through the normal political processes."

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