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(editing to add to the sigline for clarity and this additional bit:

That's the only part that's right when you look around at all the hatred coming from racists.

It's not "Coming for 'Christian, Heterosexual White Haves'"; it's more coming FROM that demographic and other racists.

It is NOT coming; it's not the president, it's the teabaggers and formerly closeted racists who are promoting it.

(hope this clears it up for those who misunderstood my reply)

Most of it is crap.

Would you care to elaborate upon a differing opinion as regards an implosion?

Do you think all is stable?

And those questions don't make sense.

What's your point, please elaborate...

Or maybe just drop it and lurk after someone else, as I don't think you're looking for conversation so much as confrontation, an endeavor that I reserve for more veteran DUers.

Thanks anyway.

Frantic backpedaling and cries of "being confrontational" are especially fun.

My point is that the instability that the authors blame on Obama may come to be, though not through the mechanism described; the RW fear is a self fulfilling prophecy.

I don't expect 2ndAmForComputers to necessarily appreciate this alternate POV, but I could be wrong.

Carry on. And, Good Night.

...have a nice day.

It's really hard to not think something will happen, with the RW media spewing hatred toward Obama. I didn't think it could get worse than it was, but who knows.

doesn't get its act together and pass a budget bill.
The media spews the hatred and points the finger of blame at Obama while the Republicans in congress insure that things will get worse for working Americans, trusting that Obama will be blamed by the public.
I anticipate being told (probably by Obama himself) that working longer and getting less in retirement benefits is the price that has to be paid for congress to come to an agreement.
If that happens I won't "get over" the anger it generates.

He's still working on job programs and an increase in the minimum wage. This thing is done until next year and for several years after that. There is nothing to do but weather the pain that will be increasing. It's said that the effects will really show on the indicators by August, then more the next year if these troglogdytes are not voted out of office. The GOP has moved to take progressive voices off the radio, increase their ownership, and they have not stopped their attacks on cable at all. So it's going to come to a head, not sure what we will have to live through to get the changes done. The 2014 election is paramount if people don't want these things done to them. EOM.

We have to get people in office who will represent us and who will work for the common good rather than for the good of a privileged few.
And it has to be accomplished in an environment which includes: a government that wages PsyWar on its citizens, a Right-Wing owned and dishonest media, a popular anti-intellectual tradition, the Citizens United decision, an unreliable voting system (and possibly an overturned Voting Rights Act), and a population deeply divided and distrustful.
Progressive Democrats need to win in the next election but the real prize will come when Americans of all political persuasions can embrace each other, recognize and respect the uniqueness and commonalities we share, and work together to improve life on earth.
I believe most Americans share this vision (not all but most) but for many reasons are confused about how to promote achieving the goal.
Hopefully, if economic conditions are made much worse by the sequestration, Americans will blame the inflexible and recalcitrant Republicans and boot them out of office.
Frankly, this has to happen. Teabag Americans have to abandon their faith in discredited economic theory and stop clinging to the Troglodyte world order fantasy sold to them by the Koch brothers because we cannot bargain with fantasy. We live in the real world and have to make informed decisions.
And who informs us? The media owned and operated by those who will misinform us.
Shrug, I am tired and feel like I'm typing in circles.

Scary and exciting. Lots of movement on all fronts: social, economic, political, military, and religious.
We are witnessing the battle royal for 21st century control of the world's resources and of our nation. The current elites can see the writing on the wall and are desperately trying to maintain their power and grab as much of our loot as they can, before they are ultimately taken down.
If those, who currently enjoy wealth and power, manage to retain their positions we are all in for tough times. Their model has run its course and the cost of artificially keeping it alive will overwhelm us all. They know it and so do we.
The evidence that we have already rejected the status-quo is found in the behavior of the rich. The proliferation of new voter suppression laws and schemes, the on-going scandal of rigged elections, and the blatant propaganda being spewed by the media, are tools designed to keep in power those who we would vote out. Our schools are being re-segregated, through charters or privatization, because young Americans have lost much of the bigotry, prejudice, and fear that comes with separation, and our over-lords need us to be divided (actually they need white people to continue to ally themselves with the rich because they perceive that that alliance bestows privilege. They also need some non-threatening, non-whites to join their alliance because of demographic projections into the future). So school choice is invoked, and embraced, as the cure for failing schools (nearly all public schools are failing or will soon be due to the requirements of NCLB and Race to the Top) but that choice is the primary vehicle for separating the haves from the have-nots (something that is illegal to sponsor in regular public schools). A unified public terrifies those in power as do unified workers. So we are under attack.
Another indication that Americans and their government are at odds, was revealed last November when voters in Washington and Colorado made leisure pot smoking legal, yet even though this is the consensus of the people, the government continues to dump record numbers of our citizens into prison for pot violations (I should add commentary on prison labor and debt peonage).
The prosecution and characterization of Bradley Manning and our establishment's reaction to Julian Assange demonstrate how confident our leaders are about their job performance. Transparent government, of the people, by the people, for the people.
For a long time the rich have needed a Cold War, or a War on Drugs, or Bin Laden releasing periodic video-tapes to keep us from focusing our attention on the gross inequities in our society.
Economic insecurity is the crisis du jour. The Stock Market crash, the bailouts, and now austerity measures are the tools being employed to undermine any possible demands for change. Stripped of our security, our confidence, our voice, and our vote we are a far less formidable threat to those who thrive at our expense.
But things are changing. The drastic measures employed to maintain the status-quo are the best indication of that reality.
Scary and exciting times. And the battle for who will rule in the future is, for us, all uphill.
Those, who are ill-informed and fearful of change, will fight to preserve the entrenched and corrupt system that currently dictates our lives, and ultimately, when the battle is over, those, who are well-informed and who have a vision and an imagination, will have the opportunity to help rewrite the rules, by which the world is run.

and furthermore, neither is the actual truth, that it's 100% hate and 100% crap.

swing. "Edit for clarity" = "the heat got too hot so I decided to remodel the kitchen."

you'd better be damned specific about your point.

and he wasn't.

but when it comes to guns and gun related issues, this poster has shown complete insensitivity and obtuseness about the things they posted.

mistake that had been made he initiated first reply-backpedaling and then a full scale edit "clarifying" his statement that Larry Pratt's bilge was "In a sense, he's right. (nt)"

"but when it comes to guns and gun related issues, this poster has shown complete insensitivity and obtuseness about the things they posted."

Spot-on, again.

The part that I suggest is "right" (meaning has an element of reality to it) is that there has been an uprising in racism and provocation toward a race war.

Where he's wrong, however, is where it's coming from; it's not the president, it's the teabaggers and formerly closeted racists who are promoting it.

And, I don't really care how veteran you are here.

If people would read my replies they would find that, but people don't read, so I'll help them with your suggested edit.



And the rant, I think you know, was a deliberately provocative challenge to the admin's idea of letting gun posts into GD.

Few people seemed to get it, and a number of people wouldn't accept the apology.

Such is DU.

People like you make it worth being here, tho.

I have you for that other post and know that although you rankle others on *another issue that shall remain nameless,* you are not a RW nut. *Nuts,* perhaps, but many of us are, although not wingnuts.

Nevah!

The only part that is "right", but it is right there for all to see, is that since we elected Obama a race war is brewing.

HOWEVER, it's not coming from the White House, it's coming from the baggers and the closeted racists who now seem entitled to come out.

I'm sorry that I didn't make it clear in my original reply.

Thank you for telling the truth. I honestly feel that there is a segment of white America that not only hates the President - they hate me. They were angry Obama's first term - this term they are a ticking time bomb. They have always been effing crazy - now they are showing their asses.

I'm sad to say that people who are close to me have also shocked me in their having revealed more of their bigotry with Obama's second win.

Somehow they didn't think it could happen, they listened too much to Fox news but the horrible thinks I've heard, jokes about how they'll never get a n*** out of the whitehouse! Really, they said that! WTF?

Another in the same family, younger than me and a woman, said that Muslims are sub-human, and I challenged with "Really? Even little 4 year old girls?", and she was resolute that they should just be taken off the planet.

So sad.

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in any of that bullshit.

seriously.

it is xenophobic hysteria against a population in America that has been victimized by prejudice by the majority.

i cannot see how you could in good conscience call it anything but 100% false, yet pure hate mongering

about as disheartening as their extremely insensitive post on guns that set off a flame war and was offensive to anyone who mourned the Newtown victims.

and defending the words of a know racist and RW crackpot on DU should carry some consequences.

Funny stuff.

My abusive dad died on 2/17, and I have to come here to see your juvenile provocative emoticon laden shit-ass replies.

Now I spend my three jobs life coupled with visiting shitheads and a lot of drama. Got dad's ashes on Thursday. Wanna share?

No?

Funny stuff? Really?

Bring it, Junior.

How sad is your life that you have to pick on me?

Tell me one fucking useful fucking thing you have ever done for humanity, for a sibling, for a parent.

Yeah, nothing, I thought so.

I look forward to the day that this community lacks your POV.

about Larry Pratt's "race war" rant or anything else on DU, for that matter.*

"How sad is your life that you have to pick on me?"

This is what is called "projection": http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240217701

The day I post a call-out OP in Meta urging every single DU'er to alert on your every single post, you let me know, pal. Until then your is just a lot of silly huff.

"I look forward to the day that this community lacks your POV."

Keep posting "In a sense, he's right. (nt)" every time Larry Pratt publishes some more right-wing bilge, and I have a feeling your "POV" is going to go missing well before mine...



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Original post before frantic walk-back edit: "In a sense, he's right. (nt)"

That was posted about a "POV" of right-wing racist Larry Pratt with absolutely no qualifying or explanatory statements or verbiage before the first edit nearly 24 hours later. None.

On edit: time stamp.

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sig line of yours...

...as somebody who won the lottery yesterday.

Fishing for sympathy FAIL.

All the coulda shouldas.

Hope your heart grows lighter instead of heavier.

Two members in this thread seem to like to taunt, one more than the other.

Thanks.

It may be implausible to theorize about some gun owners apocalyptic fantasies, but this IMHO, comes close.

They have medication for that now.

The Birchers were saying the same shit in the 60's. It was all about race wars.

They were on community radio back in the fifties, sixties and seventies. They made it clear in their rantings and call-in shows that the 'white race traitors' would be their very first targets.

They made it clear in those shows that we'd be the first ones they were going to kill. This means all liberals and Democrats. The same demonization of us, they did to the Jews. They don't even change the words, for the most part.

We're said to have all the same qualities, so we must be eliminated from the gene pool. Rush called to have us hunted with dogs. The liberal hunting permit bumper stickers, everyone has seen those.

Anyway, after the treasonous whites are gotten out of the way, they start the race war. They say they'll win because, as Pratt says, they are 'quality people.' When the federal government collapses in the chaos, which is what they are doing right now in slow motion, they will begin their fascist rule.

Anyone like Pratt who spews this is a fucking fascist and should be arrested, but we can't until blood is spilled. This is their game book, always has been. That goes for Jones, Beck and the rest of them, Koch brothers being the financiers of this.

Beating this dead horse, see text below video on the Koch family history:

Thom Hartmann: Conservative Millennials, Boomers & Libertarians all being Conned

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=44227

It's good that people bring this here. It's not good to panic, just know that these maniacs aren't a figment our imagination.

used to heckle them..

Fucking whiny-titty drama queens.

STFU, asskkklowns.

It isn't just about guns.

"Helter skelter, maaaan"

A race war is the holy grail of the white identity movement. They are not worried about people of color starting such a war, really. They just want an excuse to start shooting. Larry Pratt is carrying water for those people, and probably deliberately doing that.

He is a moron, but quite a dangerous moron, as are all of his ilk.

One of my daughters emailed me about her History class Friday. They had a sub who went on rants about equating gun control with Hitler's attempts to disarm the Jews. And who said 'they' were going to 'come' for the rich soon.

I emailed my concerns to the principal. My daughter's school is very progressive and the principal promised to have a talk with the sub, which I have no doubt will occur.

I emphasized that I didn't want anyone to get fired over the incident but that personal politics have no business in the classroom. Maybe this sub intends to commit 'suicide by cop' so to speak? It certainly was out of character for what the class had come to expect from him.

In fact, they somewhat admired him before this. No more.

It sounds like this sub got his talking points from the good ship Larry Pratt.

Pratt is a fucking idiot. And probably criminal in his words - it's still illegal to incite a revolution, isn't it?

Obama have not resulted in jail time. They get charged with lesser offenses. The guy from WA state and his gang who killed two people, stockpiled weapons, traveled to GA and had money to stage a coup, were not charged with sedition.

Fox Newz incites race hatred ever day. Rush wish death on many. The threats to kill Democratic representatives, senators, governors and their entire families with lists of where their relatives and children attend school have occured. They've been very obvious, some caught with weapons and plans.

Some got prison; but now the argument is being made in CO that the threats made against Democrats are protected by the First Amendment. Any law against such is not being enforced any longer.

Scalia would probably agree with the idea that death threats are "protected" speech.

Right to Bear Arms garbage as the calling card of the white supremacist. Wow.

“if you are a white person in this country, and this holds for all quality people of any color,"

So white person of any "quality" is = to a person of color of "quality." Again... wow.

But "it's not race, it's class!!1" This whole damn thing is

and not anything thing based solely on race, religion, sexuality, etc.

Albeit a minor one.





*( Also: see sig line. )

I'd love for you to step out of your game and find ways to promote the goodness being done by others.

If you can't do good, at least promote the good that others do.

Changing times.

Maybe substitute 'Jews' for 'Muslims' and 'Catholics' for 'atheists' until about 50 years ago, but apart from that, I can't tell the difference. How extremist do you have to be to invite him on a show?

We're putting them all in FEMA re-education camps.