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Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 02:17 AM Mar 2013

A note about "Rope-A-Dope" as a political strategy.

Muhammad Ali was a great boxer, a courageous leader and a very intelligent man.
He popularized a fight strategy known as "rope-a-dope" where he would lean back against the ropes and use their elasticity to absorb the energy of the punches that were rained on him. He used this strategy most famously against the powerful puncher, George Foreman, in the Rumble in the Jungle in 1974.



Here is the important fact that people seem to forget when they say that Obama is using the "rope-a-dope" strategy: After allowing his more powerful opponent to tire himself out, Ali would PUNCH BACK -striking his opponent with quick, accurate strikes just when he was at his most exhausted and weakest.



When he saw that his opponent was off-balance and ready to be dropped, there was no rope. There was no passivity. A lion emerged.



In other words, Ali didn't just sit there and take the hits. He had a plan to strike back. And he did. He emerged as the champion. Victorious, dominating, undeniably the conqueror.






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A note about "Rope-A-Dope" as a political strategy. (Original Post) Bonobo Mar 2013 OP
Exactly, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2013 #1
There's that word. Bonobo Mar 2013 #2
It takes great patience to rope-a-dope RobertEarl Mar 2013 #3
Love it! MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #4
Sometimes people are paid to take a fall. blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #5
I had no idea that was the orgin of rope-a-dope . . . MrModerate Mar 2013 #6
Obama has landed some good blows RobertEarl Mar 2013 #8
That "rope-a-dope" garbage was nothing but willful blindness. Marr Mar 2013 #7
I wonder with so many Dopes, does Obama have enough Rope? Kennah Mar 2013 #9
Thank you for that! SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2013 #10
If the strategy is to drag the GOPs brand into the mud Obama has done this with great... uponit7771 Mar 2013 #11
Yeah, someone seems to have forgotten that second part of the strategy. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #12
Oh. That is the origin of rope-a-dope. redgreenandblue Mar 2013 #13
It certainly is not "technically" cheating and... Bonobo Mar 2013 #14
Ok, thanks, I certainly didn't mean to offend. redgreenandblue Mar 2013 #15
Oh come on, not at all. Bonobo Mar 2013 #16
Since a boxing match is winner take all, Progressive dog Mar 2013 #17
Kicking because some idiots are still saying it's "rope-a-dope". nt Bonobo Apr 2013 #18
K & R Liberal_Dog Apr 2013 #19
Couple of things. Muhammad Ali was a great fighter but he got away with using techniques that rhett o rick Apr 2013 #20
Yeah, I know Bonobo Apr 2013 #21
Yeah, I know. Just wanted to get that off my chest. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #22

The Magistrate

(95,242 posts)
1. Exactly, Sir
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 02:19 AM
Mar 2013

"The art of war consists in a circumspect and well reasoned defense, followed by audacious attack."

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
3. It takes great patience to rope-a-dope
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 02:43 AM
Mar 2013

You can't let the blows distract you and make you react. One must endure and then act. Act, do not react. Plan your action and make it yours. Do not just react to theirs.

I do the Ali: "Float like a butterfly, then sting like a bee."

It's like the rope-a-dope. You float with the punches and when you are ready to act, make it a real stinger. It first has your target reacting to your float and it gets them flailing about trying to catch the butterfly moves. Then, when it is time, they are stung. Sometimes they never know what hit them because you are off floating like the butterfly.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
6. I had no idea that was the orgin of rope-a-dope . . .
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 03:58 AM
Mar 2013

Or what it meant in a boxing context. Thanks for the edu-moment.

However, I wish I was sure I could tell when Obama starts swinging, because I haven't seen many roundhouses coming from him yet.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
8. Obama has landed some good blows
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 04:11 AM
Mar 2013

And the ropes he was leaning on got messed up in 2010. Still not fixed back yet.

And he has taken some hard hits but he is still smiling. It's like Ali's: float like a butterfly, then sting like a bee.

Health care act, recovery act, wars winding down. And he got re-elected! He's still fighting. But yeah, patience is getting worn thin.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
7. That "rope-a-dope" garbage was nothing but willful blindness.
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 04:06 AM
Mar 2013

People often see what they want to see, and dismiss any data that doesn't conform to their chosen reality. There have been several excuses offered for why this or that action by the Obama Administration is not in fact what it appears to be, and they've all been sadly transparent pieces of self-deception.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
12. Yeah, someone seems to have forgotten that second part of the strategy.
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 07:18 AM
Mar 2013

But I'm sure he will come out fighting once there's no chance of accomplishing anything and campaign season is in full swing.

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
13. Oh. That is the origin of rope-a-dope.
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 08:26 AM
Mar 2013

Just learned something.

Politics aside, here a sports question to those who have some experience in boxing:

Isn't this tactic when used in actual boxing matches (not politics) technically cheating? It would seem that leaning against the rope is a form of hiding, with making it easier to absorb hits and all. So Ali was the first to discover it, but wouldn't it be something that would eventually become banned once people figured out what it does.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
14. It certainly is not "technically" cheating and...
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 09:05 AM
Mar 2013

I don't think it is cheating even non-technicaly.

Of course both camps have the right to decide how slack or tight the ropes are -in addition to agreeing on the size of the ring.

Furthermore, it is no panacea. Ali had developed incredible stomach muscles to take all those body punches and he was a genius at covering his face and rolling with punches. Not everyone could do it even if they wanted. He was a special fighter.

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
15. Ok, thanks, I certainly didn't mean to offend.
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 09:09 AM
Mar 2013

I am not knowledgeable about boxing. Thanks for clarifying it for me.

Progressive dog

(6,899 posts)
17. Since a boxing match is winner take all,
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 10:04 AM
Mar 2013

it is a very poor analogy to governing in a democracy. The better comparison is obviously the actual election contest, where it is winner take all. So if this is the strategy that the President used, he did win re-election, so it did work for him.
The real questions are; Did President Obama concede too much to the RW before even beginning
negotiations? Did this result in larger concessions than some of us feel were necessary? Does the President actually support some of the concessions which he made? What, if anything, can we do to make these compromises come out better?
I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but I do know that Rope-A-Dope is not a strategy for governing.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
20. Couple of things. Muhammad Ali was a great fighter but he got away with using techniques that
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 11:35 PM
Apr 2013

were illegal. Rope-a-dope was not legal. You couldnt use the ropes. But he got away with it. He hit and grabbed. Any other fighter would have been warned for that. But not him.

Also, your last picture is of Ali and Sonny Liston.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
21. Yeah, I know
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 11:38 PM
Apr 2013

that it is Liston. But it is a great photo!

As for it being illegal, that is debatable...also since this is a political commentary (read metaphor), it really is irrelevant.

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