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time for NBC to dump MTP for UP (Original Post) WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2013 OP
K&R G_j Mar 2013 #1
You get more info from 5 minutes of UWCH than you do from an entire hr of MTP... Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #2
UP is consistently excellent. Graybeard Mar 2013 #3
I would like to see MtP return to it's old format. House of Roberts Mar 2013 #4
Hayes confronts the RWers. Graybeard Mar 2013 #6
"A panel of journalists" ... there's the problem ... zbdent Mar 2013 #23
UP is primarily excellent because Skidmore Mar 2013 #5
Meet the RepubliWankers jumped the Cred Shark long ago Berlum Mar 2013 #7
Soul-sewage RVN VET Mar 2013 #25
MTP is Republican Soul Sewage indeed. Gregory acts as the Republican Fluffer-in-Chief Berlum Mar 2013 #33
MTP under-intellectualizes; UP over-intellectualizes, IMHO. nt Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2013 #8
Comedy Central is the middle ground... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2013 #14
yes. Chris and Rachel are both brilliant...but for me, they seem to go on and on too much...like Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2013 #26
Like a lot of really smart people, they both talk very fast. They think faster than most folks and CTyankee Mar 2013 #48
Compared to? G_j Mar 2013 #16
that's a good point. Totally agree about the dumbing down and abridging to the Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2013 #24
MTP is the washington bubble's roundtable...has nothing to do with the people spanone Mar 2013 #9
The best of both worlds would be Up with many of the same guests... Silent3 Mar 2013 #10
no, Chris has the right guests. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2013 #11
Oh, I love the guests that Chris does have now... Silent3 Mar 2013 #17
they *never* lose WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2013 #19
I would not include MTP guests because Skidmore Mar 2013 #20
but how would we get our weekly dose of John McCain???? NoMoreWarNow Mar 2013 #12
Exactly titanicdave Mar 2013 #13
make sure you refer to him as grandpa Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #30
Bwah! gateley Mar 2013 #15
Wheel him on stage on a dolly RVN VET Mar 2013 #28
Look where they keep him. Really early in the morning so that those who would Cleita Mar 2013 #18
NBC just reached a new deal with Gregory on MTP. City Lights Mar 2013 #21
A Serious Drop In Ratings fredamae Mar 2013 #34
Yup. Totally agree. City Lights Mar 2013 #35
Me either-It was long before fredamae Mar 2013 #42
I'd love to know the make up of their viewers... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2013 #43
Chris Hayes and his show are honest and excellent. MTP has become an unfunny joke. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #22
How about Morning Chris instead of Morning Joe? Jumpin Jack Fletch Mar 2013 #27
Morning Chis -v- Morning Joe? Teacher in SC Mar 2013 #36
I agree completely. All the more reason MTP... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2013 #44
I totally agree Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #29
True! Today, he had a woman named Mattie Duppler... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2013 #45
only 1 good thing to say about David Gregory vlyons Mar 2013 #31
"what you should know" section Teacher in SC Mar 2013 #39
Wardrobe madisongrace Mar 2013 #53
Gregory is useless ybbor Mar 2013 #32
Good point Whoopdedoo Mar 2013 #38
Sunday shows Teacher in SC Mar 2013 #40
Exactly. I think MTP viewers are also Fox viewers. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2013 #46
Stopped watching The Wizard Mar 2013 #37
Russert was a tool. MTP was unwatchable with him. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2013 #47
A Liberal Host??? otohara Mar 2013 #41
Good let them boycott. Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #49
People still watch MTP? progressoid Mar 2013 #50
Chris Hayes is absolutely brilliant democrank Mar 2013 #51
I'm a big Hayes fan! immoderate Mar 2013 #52

Graybeard

(6,996 posts)
3. UP is consistently excellent.
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 09:22 AM
Mar 2013

I was glad to see that MSNBC is showing repeat airings of UP during the day. I hope they continue that.

House of Roberts

(5,168 posts)
4. I would like to see MtP return to it's old format.
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 09:23 AM
Mar 2013

A panel of journalists who ask questions of one guest and really nail them down on issues. Having one moderator control the questioning isn't 'meeting the press' anymore.

Chris Hayes invites an occasional conservative who doesn't just spout the talking point du jour endlessly. I wish the panel could be cut by one guest, however. Having four guests, and sometimes a fifth on a video screen, makes everyone try to talk as fast as Chris. When he's on with one or two people, he even slows down and relaxes.

Graybeard

(6,996 posts)
6. Hayes confronts the RWers.
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 09:27 AM
Mar 2013

They are not allowed to spout their talking points because Chris calls them on it every time. Something that the miserable tool Gregory never does.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
5. UP is primarily excellent because
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 09:25 AM
Mar 2013

it is informative by not relying on pols and their hacks for input. CH teaches and learns with us.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
7. Meet the RepubliWankers jumped the Cred Shark long ago
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 09:39 AM
Mar 2013

... Americans are sick of Republican lies & soul-sewage....and Meet the RepubliWankers is just exactly that...

RVN VET

(492 posts)
25. Soul-sewage
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 11:16 AM
Mar 2013

Perfect.

I stopped watching MTP during the W.Bush days when Russert played the stooge to Republican BS -- but I'll remember that phrase because it pretty much defines what MTP is.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
14. Comedy Central is the middle ground...
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 10:12 AM
Mar 2013

I like Chris. Yes, he makes me feel inferior at times. Some folks here can do that too and for the same reason.

But it's all good. I like to learn from others.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
26. yes. Chris and Rachel are both brilliant...but for me, they seem to go on and on too much...like
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 11:18 AM
Mar 2013

too wordy. It is probably just my short-attention span.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
48. Like a lot of really smart people, they both talk very fast. They think faster than most folks and
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 02:13 PM
Mar 2013

their words just tumble out.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
24. that's a good point. Totally agree about the dumbing down and abridging to the
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 11:16 AM
Mar 2013

point of meaninglessness. I haven't watched regular tv news in a long time, and did recently. They actually, in some
ways are doing better than cable news in taking a point and expounding on it to a good degree.

spanone

(135,823 posts)
9. MTP is the washington bubble's roundtable...has nothing to do with the people
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 09:48 AM
Mar 2013

hayes runs circles around gregory.....

Silent3

(15,204 posts)
10. The best of both worlds would be Up with many of the same guests...
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 10:00 AM
Mar 2013

...that appear on MTP.

Of course, those guests will never go where they aren't allowed to get away with a lot of unquestioned talking points, so it won't happen.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
11. no, Chris has the right guests.
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 10:06 AM
Mar 2013

Like Skidmore said above, MTP creates supernovas out of "pols and hacks."

Silent3

(15,204 posts)
17. Oh, I love the guests that Chris does have now...
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 10:38 AM
Mar 2013

...but I'd love even more to see a bunch of MTP guests thrown into that mix, forced to try to carry on an intelligent conversation (at which they'd fail miserably, they know that, and that's why it will sadly never happen).

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
19. they *never* lose
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 10:48 AM
Mar 2013

They just talk louder and longer. They've done it for years.

They deserve nothing, certainly not more attention. MTP is an abject failure of truly epic proportions for this reason...well, among others.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
20. I would not include MTP guests because
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 10:51 AM
Mar 2013

they consistently present myths of how things work. The people Chris has on deal with the real life applications of policy and understand how policies are implemented on the ground. That is why his program is so informative. It taps into the reality, not the spin.

RVN VET

(492 posts)
28. Wheel him on stage on a dolly
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 11:21 AM
Mar 2013

wearing a straight jacket and Hannibal Lector mask. And just let him be an on-stage presence and symbolic reminder of the evil that he has become. (McCain, that is.) And let the panel talk about the way his dark, dark soul has gradually crept to the fore since Bush's people condemned him for fathering a black child, and he did nothing.



Cleita

(75,480 posts)
18. Look where they keep him. Really early in the morning so that those who would
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 10:39 AM
Mar 2013

object to his show aren't up yet. I myself am rarely up at this time on weekends but I record the show. I wouldn't miss it. I never watch MTP anymore. It's just too stupid and insulting to my sensibilities.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
34. A Serious Drop In Ratings
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 11:55 AM
Mar 2013

is the only way to get any toxic programming removed from any airwave. We keep watching/listening for whatever reason(s), they'll keep renewing/airing---until it no longer works.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
42. Me either-It was long before
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 01:16 PM
Mar 2013

Russert passed-tho he was Much better than his replacements.

I already hear way too much about "them". Regardless of why the other media sources "report" about their toxicity---it still amounts to promotion, imo.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
43. I'd love to know the make up of their viewers...
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 01:52 PM
Mar 2013

...if I were a Fox viewer, I'd watch MTP weekly. I know that to be the case because I can't stand the guests and the platform they are given.

Republicans have got to love MTP.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
22. Chris Hayes and his show are honest and excellent. MTP has become an unfunny joke.
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 11:11 AM
Mar 2013

kind of like SNL (another thread.)

Teacher in SC

(108 posts)
36. Morning Chis -v- Morning Joe?
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 12:15 PM
Mar 2013

While I like the idea, in practice I don't think it would work nearly as well. Chris has a week to prepare in depth for his panels on Sat/Sun and that's part of why we are hooked. He has researched his guests as well as the subject and the result is that we all learn so much more than we expected. It is the most enlightening program going, and we get 4 hours of that each weekend. We record the shows and watch them while eating our lunch. I like it this way! If he did it every day I don't think there'd be the time for in depth research.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
45. True! Today, he had a woman named Mattie Duppler...
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 02:04 PM
Mar 2013

...on. I was thinking, "My, what a reasonable, well behaved conservative." I had no idea she works for Grover Nordquist.

Excellent panel today--good mix of Dems and Rs--and a great show. They really covered a lot of diverse topics.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
31. only 1 good thing to say about David Gregory
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 11:42 AM
Mar 2013

He has a fabulous wardrobe. tailored perfectly for his fit. No wrinkles any where. Very expensive top-of-the line wool, the latest fashion colors. Too bad he's not a real journalist. And too bad John McCain is always popping up.

I always record UP, 'cause I frequently can't catch it. But I hate the "what you should know" section, 'cause there's far too many of them, and he talks too fast. Just 2 or 3 "what you should knows" would be better.

Teacher in SC

(108 posts)
39. "what you should know" section
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 12:28 PM
Mar 2013

I see your point, but it does give the final panel a chance to verbalize something important they wanted to say that may not have come up in the general conversation. Often something very important surfaces at that point.

madisongrace

(63 posts)
53. Wardrobe
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 08:32 PM
Mar 2013

I LOVE Chris Hayes, but I REALLY wish he would get more clothes that actually fit him. He looks so nice when he wears his grey suit with the nice shirt. hahaha petty, I know, but us women like our men dressed well. At least I do. I watched him this morning, and I actually watched parts of it twice. It is SO educational!

ybbor

(1,554 posts)
32. Gregory is useless
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 11:52 AM
Mar 2013

I stopped watching MTP after Mr. Russert passed, actually all the Sunday shows. They are all spots for Repubs to spew their garbage only to be rebutted by no one, or weak Dems. I must admit that I have yet to see Chris' show, but I am sure he does a good job.

I come here, and Crooks and Liars for the real news. I let you all suss it out for me first. Thanks!

Whoopdedoo

(60 posts)
38. Good point
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 12:25 PM
Mar 2013

I have been visiting DU for years and I finally got registered recently just to get a little more involved. I get more information from this site alone than MTP. When I saw Grandpa Walnuts appear three weeks in a row on that show I gave it up.
If it wasn't for Up with Hayes and Melissa Harris Perry my TV would be silent all day on the weekends.
And on a separate note how is it that MHP remains genuinely beautiful no matter what she wears and Fox women appear as cut outs from a fashion magazine?

Teacher in SC

(108 posts)
40. Sunday shows
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 12:32 PM
Mar 2013

We've quit all the Sunday shows except Fareed Zakaria's. I know you'd be pleasantly surprised by Up and should record his Sat/Sun shows so you don't miss something you really wished you'd known.

The Wizard

(12,541 posts)
37. Stopped watching
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 12:17 PM
Mar 2013

when Russert let Cheney come on and spout propaganda without questioning him. There is also a glaring discrepancy in the number of Republicans compared to normal people.

democrank

(11,093 posts)
51. Chris Hayes is absolutely brilliant
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 07:31 PM
Mar 2013

but I`m not sure he`s malleable enough to sit in David Gregory`s chair. Gregory did that fine dancing act with his friend Karl Rove and I`m not certain Chris Hayes has the right kind of shoes.

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