How fucking low do you have to be to do that? Seriously? ALS is one of the worst ways to die.

That detail sure provides insight into the cop mentality, donnit?

....or gasp!....videos taken that might possibly find their way to You Tube as yet more evidence of a law enforcement system gone wrong.

What the hell were the cops expecting from these folks? Armed resistance?

Some enterprising individual or group should be putting together all of the stories like this and making them go viral through social media.

This kind of crap is just plain wrong.

Sheriff W. Brad Steube
I hope we have some media that might ask him a few questions.
If your mother has ALS would you prefer her in pain? Would you raid her too?



http://www.manateesheriff.com/
http://bradsteube.com/

What better and safer way than to go after the least aggressive, most benign users.

The masks are to protect cops from retaliation from their victims, in the dangerous work of harassing pot users.

The privileged few, you know, protecting their privileges!!

The only thing missing is wrecking the house & roughing up the cannabis users; perhaps the victims are too young. They may seize her property as well. Did I miss anything? Oh! They coulda shot them without consequences.

Easy pickins.'

would have shot them, no matter hiw small and/or nonaggressive they were.

I watched Cops last night and they got a call for stolen marijuana plants. A lady with a prescription for medical marijuana had two of her plants stolen by a neighbor and the cops assisted her in getting them back. They really felt strange doing this.

When will the capriciousness concerning laws on pot be recognized by the lawmakers. While it's true that pot is temporarily bad for short-term memory and the immune system, its worst health effects concern lung cancer for those who smoke a lot. But, then, smoking anything will adversely effect the heart and lungs. The fact is marijuana is nowhere near as bad as alcohol and tobacco, but one group of drug users is legal, and the other group is criminal, having their jobs and possessions taken from them.

Making a plant illegal that is simply dried to smoke is ludicrous, and the punishments do not fit the crime. If pot were made legal, people who wanted it could grow their own, which would diminish the huge amounts of money going to criminals who sell it, and the government could save millions in trying to stop it. So, lawmakers go ahead and open another beer or have that martini lunch while you're ruining lives of others for pursuing happiness in their own way.

You seem to have information that no one else does. Will you kindly link to the study indicating lung cancer as a possible effect of smoking marijuana? Thank you.

I just want to know where to draw the line...

I believe the processing and effects of drugs like heroin and cocaine are in a category totally different than pot. Most drugs have deleterious side effects, and it would be best to stay away from all of them. But arguments like pot being a gateway drug to things like cocaine is ridiculous since most people get drunk long before they try an illegal drug. The term "drugs and alcohol" is misleading since it seems to say one is a drug and one is not. Why not draw the line before alcohol and go back to prohibition? Maybe government should change its emphasis to rounding up criminals who are using the sale of drugs to finance organized crime and stop making criminals out of the users.

Where do we draw the line?

Marijuana smoke was listed as a cancer agent in California in 2009.

However, a large 2006 study found no causative link to oral, laryngeal, pharyngeal, esophageal or lung cancer when adjusting for several confounders including cigarette smoking and alcohol use.

http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/15/10/1829

Dr. Donald Tashkin, professor of medicine at University of California, Los Angeles, is among the foremost researchers studying the effects of marijuana on the lungs. His 2006 study, one of the largest to look at marijuana use and lung and upper-airway cancers, found that the “association of these cancers with marijuana, even long-term or heavy use, is not strong and may be below practically detectable limits.”
A larger, longer-term study published in 2012 by a separate group of researchers showed that marijuana had no detrimental effect on lung function. Tashkin, who was not involved in the study, called it “well conducted” and said the results confirmed his own findings.

http://healthland.time.com/2012/06/14/10-reasons-to-revisit-marijuana-policy-now/slide/marijuana-doesnt-cause-lung-cancer-or-death/

I stand corrected. My information was from before 2000.

"They both have all them tar(s)--
so it's obvious they both cause cancer(s)"...

smoke cannabis but not also tobacco. No, I don't have a link.

I take in more dangerous crap in an hour of walking down our local streets than I do by taking half a dozen hits of cannabis.

I don't notice any issues with short term memory that I didn't before using it - I already have a little of that just because I'm getting older. I don't blame the pot.

And it doesn't do any harm to the immune system. You have been listening to WAAAAAAYYYYYY too much RW propaganda, and you really shouldn't go repeating that nonsense here.

The experiment with monkeys years ago had monkeys with masks on their face, and were given so much smoke, they passed out. And in passing out, THEY lost brain cells. The government studies wanted to cover up the fact that MJ can shrink cancerous cells. Instead, they wanted bad results, and "short term memory" BS has lived this long.

But for many patients, they use vaporizers that totally eliminate 99% of the ill effects of putting something into their lungs.

That's heart-breaking.

I wonder how many officers we lose every year due to the inability to reconcile their morals with the orders from the chain of command?

...8 California cops show up at a man's house to collect a handgun he may have still had after a restraining order was filed against him 3 years go, that was apparently reasonable, because, yanno, gun nut, and I caught shit for saying otherwise.

I'll say this is over-reaction as well, and probably get patted on the back. :sigh:

I think I saw a headline somewhere about MMJ patients not clearing background checks to own guns because of their patient status. Know anything about that?

Regarding the handgun collection you posted about, I don't know how I feel about that. If it went down the way you say, that sounds ridiculous, however I'd need to know the full circumstances. I'm not a gun supporter, I don't like them and don't like living in a country that has so many of them, but I'd rather see us make guns uncool and therefore less common, rather than taking them back in actions like you describe. I can imagine some circumstances where I could support armed raids to collect them.

This thread, however, is not a gun thread, it's a thread about unjust prohibition and its consequences. Should probably keep it that way. And that woman would have a difficult time killing anyone with those plants, so I don't see much of a parallel with the action you brought up.

...that the fastest way to cut violence (including, by necessity, gun violence) is to legalize recreational drugs.

I'm not a user of such drugs, so I have no dog in this fight. Nonetheless, I live in a country that continues this very bad government policy that has consequences on people's rights and freedoms, on budgets and spending priorities, and on overall society.


The thread I reference is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022397212

Doctors have prescribed 12 hour morphine, muscle relaxers, vicodine HP (double strength) to treat me. I will not list the side effects except to say they are 1,000 times worse than dry mouth and the munchies! Pot works much better for the pain which is worse at night, the only time I use it. If you were to hurt bad 24/7/365 for the rest of your life, wouldn't you want the best relief you could get? This is unthinkable that people like this lady would be denied something that works so well to ease her suffering, b/c that is what we are talking about, SUFFERING, I know!!!!

work everyday. I don't know how much longer I have left. I will see the BP oil spill case through though before I stop! They are so evil. If Americans knew what these humongous corporations do with their money and how much influence and bribery that takes place they would be protesting for them to be broken up!

Now, more than 20 years later, Cathy has outlived five of her support groups and four of her neurologists.

for the 15,638 time, here's the PATENT on the USE of the MAIN INGREDIENT in CANNABIS:

#6630507: The cannabinoids are found to have particular application as neuroprotectants, for example in limiting neurological damage following ischemic insults, such as stroke and trauma, or in the treatment of neurodegenerative diseases, such as Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease and HIV dementia.

Apparently most people just cannot process the fact that the Feds have lied about this plant and have decided to control it for themselves and their Pharma contributors. It's not a "conspiracy theory"- it's all right out in plain view.

Imagine if, when Holder comes out soon with new "policies" regarding the Decrim vote in CO and WA, a reporter asked him why the government owns a patent on the use of Cannabis?

The war would be over tomorrow. No jury would convict a "grower".

But there are no more reporters. Just like there's no more 4th Amendment.

Here's a few more...
http://www.patentstorm.us/search/index/q/Cannabis/page/1.html

holy crap. I've been neglectful. I've got some reading to do.

They will never get a conviction. The ever increasing difficulty in achieving marihuana related convictions is what will really change this. Can't get a conviction? Can't just keep wasting money on prosecuting.

Spread the word about jury nullification. It's our duty as pro-cannabis citizens.

I want to VOMIT.

Fucking GOONS