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kpete

(71,964 posts)
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 11:09 AM Mar 2013

KRUGMAN: Centrist Pundits "Will Always Invent Some Reason Why Obama Just Isn't Doing It Right"

Today in Well, Duh

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So Klein admits that Republicans just don’t want to make a deal. Their objections to the deals on the table aren’t sincere; if convinced that Obama has met their demands, they just make more demands.

I think it’s important here to understand the broader implications.

The whole push for a Grand Bargain has been based on the notion that we can reach a fiscal deal that takes the whole fight over the budget off the table. What Klein has belatedly learned is how unlikely such a Bargain really is; but the same logic tells us that any Grand Bargain that might somehow be struck, via Obama’s mystical ability to mind-meld Star Trek and Star Wars or something, wouldn’t last. In a year — or more likely in a minute or two — Republicans would be back, demanding more tax cuts and more cuts in social programs. They just won’t take yes for an answer.

Meanwhile, it’s not just Republicans who refuse to accept it when Obama gives them what they want; the same applies, with even less justification, to centrist pundits. As people like Greg Sargent point out time and again, the centrist ideal — deficit reduction via a mix of revenue increases and benefits cuts — is what Obama is already offering; in fact, his proposals have been to the right of Bowles-Simpson. Yet the centrist pundits keep demanding that Obama offer what he has already offered, and condemn both sides equally (or even place most of the blame on Obama) for the failure to reach a deal. Again, informing them of their error wouldn’t help; their whole shtick is about blaming both sides, and they will always invent some reason why Obama just isn’t doing it right.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/today-in-well-duh/

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KRUGMAN: Centrist Pundits "Will Always Invent Some Reason Why Obama Just Isn't Doing It Right" (Original Post) kpete Mar 2013 OP
Most of the MSM is trying to remain neutral for the sake of ratings, dems SHOULD be fighting back .. uponit7771 Mar 2013 #1
They're NOT "neutral" Joe Bacon Mar 2013 #20
Blatantly so, parroting Romney & Ryan's lies last year. They lost neutrality years ago. freshwest Mar 2013 #22
Krugman gets it right again Faygo Kid Mar 2013 #2
The False Equivalency Train Jumpin Jack Fletch Mar 2013 #3
The internet idiom steamship. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #11
If the "liberally-biased media" truly were "liberally-biased", you would have the media zbdent Mar 2013 #4
centrist = Goldwater Republican upi402 Mar 2013 #5
They aren't centrists at all. They are neoliberals, which means they are far right duffyduff Mar 2013 #8
The GOP BASE firmly believes Obama is Extreme Left Martin Eden Mar 2013 #14
That's because to them, anyone to the left of Temujin is a socialist. hobbit709 Mar 2013 #15
I agree with you upi402 Mar 2013 #24
The centrists can not admit that one Party is to blame, because the whole centrist thing is Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #6
this mac56 Mar 2013 #9
Ain't that the truth! nt CJCRANE Mar 2013 #7
Good call, Krugman. It applies to pundits on the left, as well. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #10
+1 freshwest Mar 2013 #23
So start offering what the people want and not what pols want on point Mar 2013 #12
It's Journalistic Laziness. Easier to blame both sides than to actually dig into the proposals. Yavin4 Mar 2013 #13
There are "centrist" pundits? Coulda fooled me. hobbit709 Mar 2013 #16
Up is down Round is Square and Out is In Nupe117 Mar 2013 #17
"Centrist" pundits JackHughes Mar 2013 #18
Tweety is one of the biggest examples of what Krugman describes. n/t BumRushDaShow Mar 2013 #19
"...in fact, his proposals have been to the right Bowles-Simpson." So the President appoints the indepat Mar 2013 #21

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
1. Most of the MSM is trying to remain neutral for the sake of ratings, dems SHOULD be fighting back ..
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 11:13 AM
Mar 2013

...against the meme

Joe Bacon

(5,163 posts)
20. They're NOT "neutral"
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 02:20 PM
Mar 2013

The overwhelming majority of our Corporate Controlled Conservative Press recites Republican talking points.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
22. Blatantly so, parroting Romney & Ryan's lies last year. They lost neutrality years ago.
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 07:22 PM
Mar 2013
'The fiddler plays the tune he's paid for.'

Never more apparent what conservative billionaire ownership of media is doing.

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
2. Krugman gets it right again
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 11:14 AM
Mar 2013

When will this nation learn that the Republicans are not interested in governing, only power and their handlers, like Sheldon Adelman?

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
4. If the "liberally-biased media" truly were "liberally-biased", you would have the media
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 11:19 AM
Mar 2013

playing the clip of Boner right after he agreed with Obama, saying that he's happy, that "we've got 98% of what we wanted" ... before he went back to his true masters and they said "WE WANT 200% OF WHAT WE ASKED FOR!"

upi402

(16,854 posts)
5. centrist = Goldwater Republican
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 11:22 AM
Mar 2013

We've moved so far to the right after decades of media propaganda... and barely noticed it happening.

Goldwater used to be an extreme rightwinger.
Now Obama IS about where Goldwater WAS.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
8. They aren't centrists at all. They are neoliberals, which means they are far right
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 12:18 PM
Mar 2013

by any logical standard.

Obama is further to the right than Goldwater.

Martin Eden

(12,847 posts)
14. The GOP BASE firmly believes Obama is Extreme Left
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 01:27 PM
Mar 2013

And it is that BASE that drives Republican primaries and therefore the party.

And that BASE is, of course, driven by the likes of Koch & Adelson and the Rightwing noise machine.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
6. The centrists can not admit that one Party is to blame, because the whole centrist thing is
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 11:32 AM
Mar 2013

that both Parties are to blame. So they keep claiming Obama is equally to blame along with the GOP House. They have to do that, because they are just Republicans who are not comfortable being out of the GOP closet.

on point

(2,506 posts)
12. So start offering what the people want and not what pols want
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 01:14 PM
Mar 2013

Cut the defense dept by 50%
Raise taxes on the wealthy until they pay down the debt they ran up with prior tax cuts
Simplify tax code by treating all income the same, regardless of source
Raise the cap to fix social security issue
Implement single payer and pharma reform to reduce medical costs

No none nada nyet rien cuts to earned benefits

The supply side economic fraud, the deregulation fraud and the Iraq fraud are responsible for our debt. All put forward by the rebukes. Make the1% that benefited from these frauds pay down the debt. Stick em until squeal and then push harder.

The rest of us had it being scammed and then being asked to pay for their disasters

Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
13. It's Journalistic Laziness. Easier to blame both sides than to actually dig into the proposals.
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 01:23 PM
Mar 2013

Journalists like Ezra Klein are a rare breed. They actually look into the data and evaluate what is really being proposed. Most inside the Beltway pundits just regurgitate quotes from their sources and write that "both sides are to blame".

It's laziness, pure and simple.

Nupe117

(1 post)
17. Up is down Round is Square and Out is In
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 01:49 PM
Mar 2013

No matter what PBO does, MSM punditry will pose it as a false equivalency or as Krugman suggest PBO just isn't doing enough. The meme that PBO needs to interact with more with Boehner + McConnell is a good example. Both are tied at the hip with reactionary teabillies + have zero interest in compromise, no matter what position PBO takes. Hell, they're even scared to be caught in public with the President of the United States. Damn!

JackHughes

(166 posts)
18. "Centrist" pundits
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 02:03 PM
Mar 2013

Since the Republican Party represents the interests of the plutocracy, the corporate news media must always feign amnesia, twist itself into logical contortions and lie by omission to conform with Republican propaganda.

Their paychecks depend on it. Does anyone really expect "honesty" or "courage" or "patriotism" from those self-interested media hacks?

indepat

(20,899 posts)
21. "...in fact, his proposals have been to the right Bowles-Simpson." So the President appoints the
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 03:22 PM
Mar 2013

considerably right-of-center Bowles and Simpson who propose a considerably right-of-center tax scheme and the President's proposals have to the right of Bowles-Simpson. Add the President's continuance of junior's wars and a goodly bit of junior's other policies and personnel, yet Republicans hate the President with a vitriol far out of reason considering his reach-across-the-aisle right-of-center governance. So what's the big problem Republicans?

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