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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMan OWNING Department of Homeland Security and their idiotic immigration checkpoints.
Some of these checkpoints are 30-100 miles inside the border.
I read a little about this guy and he is a little out there for me but I still cheer him not allowing the Feds to try to gain more control over free travel. The police/feds are already out of control. Nice to see someone fighting back.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Paul E Ester
(952 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Including for that reason the 100 mile radius around Storm Lake, IA.
Gotta protect the IBP plants from terror attack or there will be no pulled pork sammiches.
James48
(4,427 posts)Excuse me but "DHS owns 100 miles into the country?" Are you frigging kidding? Who did they buy it from? Not me.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)but read post number #22
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)There are three ways to get to Tucson fro here, all have checkpoints and with dogs.
Apparently, the dogs can sniff out an illegal immigrant.
Once, a dog alerted on a friend's gas tank. The agents shoved my friend into the back of a car, then drove him and his truck about 60 miles to be x-rayed. Nothing was found, and he was released hours later with 120 miles of gas used.
Logical
(22,457 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,221 posts)The police have used that for years to go around the law and search without probable cause. What are you going to do? Put the dog on the stand to testify?
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)And several have been found to respond to cues from their handlers.
Search dogs are bullshit. If you have drugs, they will find them. If you don't, they will still the the police the out they need to trash your car.
GiveMeFreedom
(976 posts)is an old trick. Makes the handler look good even if the dog bats 50%.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,221 posts)I believe the SC has already ruled that it was ok for police to bring dogs to your front door for a sniff. In your car you are even more open for a dog sniff.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)The Supreme Court has ruled that a drug dog sniff of a car is NOT a search under the meaning of the Fourth Amendment. Mind-boggling, but there it is. Ditto for drug dog searches of packages at shipping companies.
The hope is that the high court will set a higher standard for a home search. A man's home is his castle, you know. They disallowed heat signature scans of homes.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Just last week. Check the SCOTUS website. As long as the dog has been "certified" it's not an illegal search, even if there ate no drugs or the dog is no good at it.
Kali
(55,004 posts)only been x-rayed at columbus/palomas - will never cross there again
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)I don't like it, but there it is.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,315 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)That's a pretty expansive definition of the border, but there it is.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,315 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)It appears they actually don't have much power. And they didn't break into the vehicles. Probably because they know they can't - knowingly violating someones civil rights will void their qualified immunity from lawsuits.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)cooperate, thereby waiving their rights. Those two groups are who they prey on.
Logical
(22,457 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Stryder
(450 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)GreenEyedLefty
(2,073 posts)I do believe I have the same Constitutional rights as every other citizen.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)without probable cause. Notice that when challenged, they all let the person go without any real reason to believe the person stopped is an alien. That's the law. Most people don't know that.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)And they can't arrest you for disobeying a lawful order because they can't lawfully order a search without probable cause. If they did, they would lose their qualified immunity and they could be personally sued in court.
That said, they can put on quite a show of authority that makes most people buckle under.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)at interior check-points. Just don't try this at the Border or at the airport, kids. You have no constitutional right to fly or to be admitted to the US without inspection.
As Nancy Reagan told us, about interior BCBP checkpoints and ICE workplace inspections, Just say No.
James48
(4,427 posts)the supreme court ruled 7-2 back in 1977 that it is legal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Martinez-Fuerte
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)One can't be arrested or detained in a motor vehicle w/out probable cause at immigration checkpoints. Sobriety check points, however, do not have the same probable cause requirements.
Never claimed the checkpoints were illegal under current 4th Amendment doctrine.
Paul E Ester
(952 posts)Famous for searching band buses. They have arrested willie nelson, snoop dog, and many others.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)It's good for catching a lot of small-time pot-smokers traveling east-west through the US. Not so good at actually interdicting big drug loads coming across the border.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)And they don't really know what to do.
Kind of like the Justice Department confronted with legal marijuana in Washington and Colorado.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)1) We are spending way more on this border patrol bullshit than all of the FBI efforts. In what universe does that make any sense?
2) Border crossings have been near net zero to NEGATIVE in recent years. We don't even have a real problem at the border.
3) This ain't the border.
Republicans are all about cutting wasteful government spending. Here's a great place to start.
avebury
(10,951 posts)like the 21st Century version of Nazi Germany.
The people filming these stops are a lot more brave then I would be.
valerief
(53,235 posts)SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)the sequestration cutting down on the number of these fools will be the upshot of the sequestration.
Logical
(22,457 posts)GreenEyedLefty
(2,073 posts)I didn't appreciate being asked where I was from or where I was going like I was doing something wrong. I gave them my and my family's IDs to check and the rest was none of their fucking business.
Logical
(22,457 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....especially when Border Patrol questions are taking place quite a few miles from the border and they have no evidence you even crossed the border.
This kind of crap is bullshit and is not protecting anyone.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Kali
(55,004 posts)fuck DHS, had to run one off the private property just the other day - he was a good 24 hours late chasing some skinny kid that got past them. and yeah they act all shocked that US citizens might not want federal police hanging around their property. assholes.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)This is what we get along with NO thorough investigation. I HOPE the sequester kills these Nazi checkpoints.