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Good, because this story stinks to high heaven. The mother is way too garrulous and way too calm and the circumstances just seem odd.
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She continued, "And then, all of a sudden, he walked over and he shot my baby in the face."
West said she tried to perform CPR on her son and that the police took over when they arrived, but to no avail. "We lost him," she said.
During the incident, the smaller of the two boys was hiding behind the larger one, she said. "I don't know whether it was his brother or a friend."
West said she hoped the boys will receive the maximum sentence possible. "If they can use a gun like an adult, then they can be charged like an adult," she said. "I want to see lethal injection or at least life in prison. This child did nothing to him. He was innocent and helpless."
She described the shooter as an African-American, skinny with "a little bit of protruding eyebrows."
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed/?hpt=hp_t2
and she goes on and on. It just sounds off. now, it seems unlikely that she did this herself as they haven't recovered a gun, but that doesn't mean she wasn't in on it somehow.
superpatriotman
(6,232 posts)We do not have to share the earth with these pieces of filth
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #2)
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cali
(114,904 posts)It sounds like they're not entirely convinced by the mother's account either.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Apologize. Now.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Seriously. Why pretend yesterday's discussion didn't happen?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and stated that she was a victim of a random crime.
In other words, cali was full of shit.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)I was unable to find any updated news story since Monday.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)All kinds of things get put out there; my guess is that the investigation is still going on behind the scenes. The police are allowed to lie to anyone (including reporters) while investigating a crime, and it is not uncommon to pretend people aren't suspects while gathering evidence. (At least according to the fictional shows I watch - lol!)
Wait until the case is finished, and then go pull this out.
As I said in another link, *my* radar went off because I find the mother's lack of "mamma tiger" protectiveness improbable, although I am attempting to give her the benefit of the doubt.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)to give her the benefit of the doubt, as you are explicitly refusing to take the police at their word when they said she didn't do it.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Why on earth would I? My goal (and that of the police) is that the BABY receive justice, and that no future innocents be endangered.
And no, I am *NOT* going to take the police at their word until they are in court and under oath, especially since I know they will lie at the drop of a hat if they think it will help them trip up anyone who is guilty.
I asked you yesterday - are you a parent? You never answered. Do you find her actions during the commission of this crime to be that of a person whose sole concern was for the health and well being of her child (which is what a parent's job is)?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Every single fact--every single one of them--points at her being a victim, not a criminal.
Those who consider her a suspect do so for their own emotional and irrational reasons.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Do you possess all of the facts to prove she had no communication with or prior knowledge of the perpetrators?
Have you been able to ascertain FROM THE PERPETRATORS that they had no prior knowledge or relationship with her?
Have you been able to ascertain FROM THE PERPETRATORS why they committed felony murder on a 13 month old sleeping baby, but left an adult witness alive to identify them?
Do you have any facts as to the state of mind of the alleged perpetrators?
Do you have any facts as to why she was deemed unfit (abuse or neglect) as a mother for her eight year old daughter?
Please share. Because from where I am sitting, the only people in possession of the "facts" are probably still investigating all of them - and these are just some of the MANY questions that are undoubtedly being asked.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)that points towards her guilt.
Every available fact points at their guilt.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)A woman with a history of bad decision making decided to take a walk to the post office. She did this by going through a neighborhood that "wasn't safe".
Two random teenagers accosted her. We have no idea why they were there.
They demanded money (per her). She did not scream for help. She made no move to protect her child or get the two of them away from danger. Charitably, she "froze". (This happens - fight, flight or freeze.)
A random teenager who was "pretending" to be a gangster then fired a weapon four times, with the fourth bullet aimed at a sleeping infant who had not been pulled into anything resembling safety by his mother during a dangerous encounter that lasted for an unknown period of time, but at least several sentences worth. She did not scream for assistance when the gun was pointed at her. She did not scream for assistance when she herself was shot. (This seems odd - perhaps the accounts are simply not complete.)
The teenagers then "ran away" and an adult picked them up, who then turned them in to the police. If this adult had not turned them in, since they were not from the area, and were presumably unknown to the woman, she then identified them in a police line-up.
We still have no known motivation for the actions of the youths, including leaving a living witness.
If she had any prior contact with them (which we are all hoping she did not), then the actions of all involved are consistent with a hired hit, including her being shot in a non-fatal way, and then being left alive to pay them off.
Yes, they are guilty - the question is: Was she just really stupid? ("I thought it was a fake gun, even after a bullet flew by my head and another entered my leg, which is why I didn't worry about protecting my baby." Or was she involved for motives unknown, possibly financial?
I don't want to believe that. But plausible means it needs investigating, and implying that it shouldn't be isn't the mark of a wise person.
My opinion. Like you, I am becoming repetitive.
LisaL
(44,962 posts)Isn't it time to give up these sort of claims about an innocent victim of a horrendous crime?
"The indictment says that on March 11, Elkins pointed a gun at Wilfredo Calix-Flores and demanded his wallet and cell phone and then shot him in the arm with a .22-caliber revolver."
Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2013-03-27/story/two-brunswick-teens-indicted-murder-charges-babys-shooting-death#ixzz2Omm9GZlJ
LisaL
(44,962 posts)The suspect had a gun. She didn't.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Her not "flipping" the stroller behind her. I am the mother of twins, and I could have done it with a double stroller in a heartbeat especially with a gun near my baby. My life for my child - in a heartbeat (given the time to act, of course). I have read the reports. I question the story. I will wait until the investigation is complete (and that means when the court case is over). Not every defense attorney spills everything to the media.
But I watch a lot of "Law & Order" so I also expect a surprise ending, especially when the mother's story is so implausible and her affect is so odd. As I stated, to be fair, she is diagnosed bipolar/schizophrenic with a history of bad decision making, so maybe making the memory of her son disappear within 48 hours of his death is normal for her. I have never heard of anyone grieving like that, but it takes all kinds, right?
Tragic story. One child dead at eighteen killed while committing a felony, another removed from her care due to abuse / neglect at age eight/never returned, and now a random stranger mysteriously shoots the child an unemployed mentally disabled woman has a life insurance policy on, which she doesn't use to cover his funeral expenses with because she has him cremated and disposed of without ever seeing him again after he is put into an ambulance.
Nothing to see here. Just another day in America.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Both of which this mother is. All the posts about how "suspicious" her behavior supposedly was omit the trauma piece.
After my son died, I had to suck it up and deal, right away. I could not break down, there were things that had to be done immediately. Some were financial, and yes, I was obliged to talk about money and insurance settlements on the very day he died.
And oh, by the bye, I bathed, shaved, brushed my teeth and combed my hair.
I was not a bad father. I was a good father, doing what had to be done, and putting my grief on hold while I did so.
Anyone who hasn't had to bury their own kid has absolutely no clue what it's like. And to criticize someone who is going through something of which you know nothing is the height of arrogance.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)And please understand that going on television is NOT something that "had to be done."
Please do not mistake my advocacy for a strong investigation to ensure justice for the murder victim as anything other than that. The mother's actions need to be scrutinized by the appropriate authorities; it is terrible to be under suspicion, but unfortunately, it is reality, especially given the oddness of her affect and subsequent making him disappear, and the many poor choices she has previously made (many of which can undoubtedly be attributed to her bipolar/schizophrenic issues).
premium
(3,731 posts)and she has been ruled out as a suspect. It really is that simple.
If she had been involved in any way, those 2 boys would have rolled over on her is a heartbeat.
She is not involved in this in any way at all.
Ever been under fire? I have and my first time, I froze up.
Different people react to stressful situations in different ways.
I find nothing odd at all to her reaction to being threatened with a gun.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)As I said elsewhere, the police have been known to lie while they are investigating.
I find it odd that she didn't move to protect her child. I am also trying to keep in mind that everything probably happened "very quickly" given the circumstances.
I pray she had no involvement. The idea is disturbing on many levels, but I won't lie and say it isn't adding up for me.
Why would they shoot the baby and leave her alive?
We may never know.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)This happened to a friend of mine about a month ago. His infant child died in a horrible accident. He was so torn up, he was hospitalized (when police came, he told them he did not want to live, so he was taken to the hospital for a mandatory 48 hours). There was all kinds of speculation in the media, people saying horrible things, etc. When the autopsy came back that it was an accident, there was radio silence in the media.
All in all, it was a TERRIBLE situation made MUCH MUCH MUCH worse by the media and speculators.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Please convey my best wishes, if you think it appropriate.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)to someone in grief?
If they turn out to be a criminal, the police will figure it out without the help of Internet commenters.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)So sorry for your loss.
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randome
(34,845 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)tend to dig in harder in defense of false beliefs when presented with evidence disproving those beliefs.
For example, climate denialists just become more adamant that global warming is a hoax when you provide them with scientific evidence.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)...
Doering said West "was never a suspect in my mind," and he called the crime "a true tragedy, the worst evil imaginable."
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)the police spokesman Todd Rhodes.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed/?hpt=hp_t2
Yet, the headline for the OP states:
"Police 'not ruling anyone or anything out' after shooting death of Georgia baby"
randome
(34,845 posts)It was geek_tragedy who resurrected it when it should have died.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Friday, it was known at that time that
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed/?hpt=hp_t2
Yet, while including a link to a story in which a police spokesmen said "no other suspects are being sought," the headline for the OP states:
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)when I stated that the mother had been cleared as a suspect.
She also said:
She was beating the drums of innuendo and accusation against this victim for five days, viciously attacking people who disagreed.
Well, she was proven wrong. And she has fled any discussion of it.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)matter what the police say and no matter what evidence is uncovered.
Elsewhere it has been reported that a relative of one of the boys said that he was just a witness. Also reported elsewhere, it's been said that one of the boy's relatives led the police to salt-water area to recover a gun and that the police have recovered a gun. Apparently, they are now testing it to see if it is "the" gun.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)I think you are way off.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)oh yeah, it did.
Delete this piece of shit.
kudzu22
(1,273 posts)I hate to admit it, because it means I had to acknowledge that someone could be that sick. I still don't want to think about it.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)you get trounced on another thread and decide to start an op on the same subject...to prove what?
Your guessing games at this point are nasty and typical of RW blaming the victim before all the facts are in. They even felt sorry for Zimmerman and Sandusky.....nice company you are keeping.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,467 posts)lynne
(3,118 posts)- after she returned home from the emergency room. Will admit that I thought her giving an interview unusual given all she'd been through. I thought her reaction rather calm considering her loss and what she had witnessed. I was wondering if she was possibly in shock or if she was on painkillers that would impact her responses.
Truly tragic story, all way around.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)I'd be too grief stricken to talk..
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)I got sucked into that for a few hours then decided CNN is a different kind of fox.
RagAss
(13,832 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)Uff da!
timdog44
(1,388 posts)I find it disgusting that we here on DU are blaming the victim. Have we not gone through this with all kinds of situations, blaming victims. I am ashamed.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Sometimes you have to suspect an apparent victim. There are many cases that turn out differently than first thought.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I'll withhold any comment till there are more facts. But that's just me.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)There is a longer thread with this discussed from yesterday, but you "kick" the one from last week instead?
I am still paying attention to this case; nothing new has come out. Everyone is being investigated, which is what should happen, especially with a bipolar-schizophrenic mother with a history of bad parenting (one dead son killed in the commission of a crime, one daughter removed from her custody because of either abuse or neglect, and one dead baby with life insurance and the bad luck to run into a money hungry, illogical teen who was psychopathic enough to kill a baby, but not bright enough to kill the only witness, whose remains were disposed of while everything he had was donated -- not the actions of any loving, grieving parent I have ever come across, and definitely suspicious - more like the happy widow who redecorates and moves the "new" paramour in, hmmm?).
Finding this woman's behavior suspicious is completely reasonable, and we discussed many of the reasons why good parents find the behavior of all involved unlikely to the point of improbable.
Why not re-kick the thread, or start a "call out" in a few months when the investigation is complete?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Even the good folks on Law & Order re-runs take a little time to work things through. It will be months before everything is sorted out.
And being suspicious of improbable events is actually sad, but wise. I believe another poster pointed out that statistically, a parent kills a child every three days, while the odds of a stranger doing it are significantly lower.
It is terrible, but there are people like that out there. That poor baby.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)as a suspect.
The matter is settled.
It is not honest to pretend otherwise.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)It is a discussion board, and people do that. Why are you trying to make it personal? Why act like people (most of them parents) who find behavior improbable/unlikely are "bad" because they actually say so?
If you found the thread so offensive, why not just hide it?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I am presenting facts, and you are pretending they don't exist.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)more investigation is being done, and I am skeptical that we have heard the end of this story.
Give it time. At the end of the day, your opinion - and mine and cali's - don't really matter. We are just talking about it on a discussion board, and none of us are involved with the family or the people investigating / prosecuting the case.
I really don't understand why you have decided to make this a personal vendetta.
You don't like the fact cali (and many of the rest of us) have a suspicious nature - ignore her and the threads that offend you.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)going on your beliefs/suspicions.
You do not know a single thing that would rationally lead you to conclude the mother was complicit in this killing.
Not a single thing.
Any suspicion you have of the mother is irrational.
11 Bravo
(23,922 posts)to throw should it turn out that the mother bears any culpability at all in the death of the baby.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)someone would throw if it turned out Obama was born in Kenya or if Sandy Hook was a government hoax.
In the meantime, I'm happy to not be on Team BlameTheVictim.
11 Bravo
(23,922 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)There can be heated disagreements on policy--and any two people will have them if they discuss enough issues--but there are some things that to me just are a matter of simple decency.
randome
(34,845 posts)I haven't seen anyone take a stand one way or the other. Suspicions were pointed out. Your vitriol against some DUers for voicing their suspicions is as out of place as the suggested 'wrong' you say has been done to the mother.
You seem to be taking this entirely too personally, IMO.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)about rape victims.
Why should there be a different standard for a woman who gets shot and has her baby murdered?
Here are the list of reasons people at DU came up with why they suspected this woman killed her baby:
She asked about an insurance sheck
She has a history of mental illness
Her husband was angry at her for having the baby on that street
She ate fried chicken
She had gel in her hair
She didn't cry enough
Susan Smith
She had the baby cremated
Something seemed off
She was with her kid in a bad neighborhood
Her estanged daughter thought she was acting weird
Notice anything missing from that list?
The answer is: any kind of evidence that she was complicit.
It was sleazy innuendo.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)What you saw as sleazy innuendo appears to be questionable behavior to me.
I cannot empathetically put myself in her place with a dead child that I didn't make a move to protect and picture myself:
a) discussing the financial benefits I should be receiving within a matter of hours;
b) not ask for the body to be held for me to bury/mourn/see/touch/anything just in case to prove it wasn't a mistake;
c) dispose of the ashes (I still have the ashes from my two dogs who were killed in 2006) without asking where;
d) dispose of all possessions associated with the child within 48 hours (not even keeping a blanket with his scent to cry into?);
e) mentally be able to do my hair as if the world was still fine within 24 hours of the event in preparation for appearing on a television interview;
f) have my child taken away due to abuse or neglect (which you minimize as "estranged daughter" ;
Etc.
It isn't sleazy innuendo. It is what people who commit first degree murder do. In their heads, they have already "killed" the person, so "cleaning house" and being happy to be able to "move on with their lives" (again, according to fictional television dramas and murder mystery novels - lol!) do when they DON'T want to be reminded of someone.
"Forget" my lost child? NEVER!!! I still mourn my pets who crossed over the rainbow bridge...and my children are far more precious to me.
It is hard for me to remember that not everyone feels that way, but unfortunately, there are people like that out there.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Not a single one.
None of them would be admissible in a court of law.
You have never been shot and had your baby's brains blown out in front of you, so you have no idea how you would behave in such circumstances.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Oooh! Now I *totally* sound like a "Law & Order" geek! Lol!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Figure that out, then start following the money.
Mothers who complain that "being a parent is more work/harder than I thought it would be" whose children end up dead shortly thereafter are going to be looked at a little bit harder - which is as it should be.
She isn't the REAL victim here. The murdered baby is. Unfortunately, her pain is just additional collateral damage.
Sick, isn't it? But truth.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Sick, yes. Truth, absolutely not.
Now forgive me, but your post is so absolutely disgusting and reprehensible and devoid of human decency that I can't engage you any further.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)I am sorry you find this disgusting/reprehensible/devoid of human decency, but it is the truth.
She is still alive. Her child is not.
I am comfortable with you not engaging me further. You seem to think your opinions are more valid than anyone else's, and I find that ... amusing.
premium
(3,731 posts)She watched her baby being executed, she was shot twice, once in the leg, her ear was grazed.
And now she's being victimized here by people who are insinuating that she had something to do with this heinous crime.
I don't know how you can say that she's not a real victim.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)On the victim scale, the baby wins.
On the lifetime pain scale, I think she will suffer more.
She isn't being victimized here - we are all talking about a case in the news. We are sharing thoughts about it, trying to come to terms with the tragedy. She *should* be investigated, because she needs to be ruled out, especially with her history of (politely) "bad judgment" in the care and raising of her children. ANYONE remotely connected to the case needs to be investigated thoroughly so that ANYONE who participated in such a heinous crime is locked away from society.
Have you heard of "Munchhausen" syndrome? (Not sure of the spelling.) There are some *really* sick people out there. (shudder) I pray she isn't one of them.
Being suspicious of someone based on stuff we read on the internet - you do realize we are on a DISCUSSION BOARD, right?
premium
(3,731 posts)Those 2 boys would have been screaming at the top of their lungs that she was the one who put them up to it, also, the police have stated that they aren't looking for anyone else involved.
She had nothing to do with this.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Gunshot Victim I believe would be the expression. You know that sad expression we hear every five minutes in america.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)I believe the "real" victim of a murder is the person who is MURDERED.
Please do not mean I think this should minimize the pain of the "periphery victims" -- the grief of survivors is something that should NEVER be ignored.
You are correct that she is the victim of an assault, but since (for reasons unknown) she was shot in the leg / they inexplicably left a living witness to shooting a sleeping baby in the head, I want the police to concentrate their energies on the MURDERED CHILD - who, how, and why. The teenager "pumping himself up" for such a deed on Facebook a few days before (had he ever made such comments before? and how come no one noticed beforehand?) strikes me plausibly as someone preparing to commit the crime, which begs the question of WHY? Gang initiation? Paid job? Random shooting with/without an escape plan?
Seriously, WTF?
I pray the mother is not involved, as I find the idea sickening. But I am not willing to let my own distaste for the idea that a parent would harm or arrange for someone to harm their own child blind me to the fact that there are indeed some awful people out there who would actually do such a horrible thing.
I am an advocate for a strong investigation, no matter how distasteful it might be. The mother's affect strikes me as "off" but that might simply be due to trauma/shock/mental illness. After the investigation is complete, if she is found innocent, but unlucky, my full support to her. In the meantime, with children being killed by their parents every three days in America (per someone else's post), I believe the police are undoubtedly doing a full investigation, and implying that they shouldn't because "it is mean!" is ridiculous.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)was shot in the leg," there are reports on the web (which I do not have at the present) which now indicate that the one with the pistol first shot at the ground or at her leg to emhasize that his threat was real. Then (depending upon the source) he reportedly shot once or twice at her head and actually shot her once in the ear or nicked her ear. His last shot was apparently aimed towards the face of the baby.
His reported effort to shoot the baby was apparently his last one.
LisaL
(44,962 posts)Police have already said she is not a suspect and this crime was random.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Isn't it enough to call her out in your other thread in LBN? Who made you the fucking internet police, anyway?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)She accused me of pushing "dogshit lies" when I claimed the police had decided the mother was just a victim and not a suspect.
Of course, I was factually correct and her smears of the mother were just that, smears.
But, she promised a retraction if proven incorrect. A promise she has not kept.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:55 PM - Edit history (1)
It's gotten personal with you and I don't think you really give a shit about the dead baby or the mother or anything else but your 'credibility' ass.
This is what is sick.
Apologize and get it done with.
Why people are so afraid to sincerely apologize is mostly why we are so fucked up in everything. Stubborness at the expense of anything. Me right, you wrong. ugh guh zork cooks his meat, haha ugy.
bench scientist
(1,107 posts)Please consider deleting this OP.
thank you.
bench
quinnox
(20,600 posts)Rajesh
(9 posts)Seriously. Is it so hard for you to believe that something this horrible can actually happen in these glorious United States of America? I hate to break it to you, but this shit happens all the time. Every day, in fact. Babies getting shot. Hard to swallow, but true. Maybe people might stand up and actually do something about the non existent gun laws in this country. But I'm not holding my breath. People seem to have all but already forgotten Newtown.
SpartanDem
(4,533 posts)I get that the racist like Zimmerman's brother are in a tizzy over this story, but I kind of see your repeated attempts to blame the victim as an attempt counteract what they're saying.
LisaL
(44,962 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-slain-baby-mom-victims-random-crime-18823486
Orrex
(63,086 posts)I'm only posting here because I want to come back and see what happens to your disgusting clusterfuck of an OP.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,483 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,483 posts).
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Texasgal
(17,029 posts)can you?
UGH. Let it go. Your link and thread are worthless.
chillfactor
(7,566 posts)the police have cleared the mother ... self-delete this piece of crap.....you are definitely sick in the head....
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)There will never be an apology. The vile fixation on smearing that mother was wretched.
But there will never be an apology.
premium
(3,731 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Everyone reacts to trauma in their own way.
And it is all too common to look at victims and decide they're not behaving correctly. Some victims are blamed because they show too much emotion, some are blamed because they show too little. Some talk too much, some don't say anything. And some end up going to prison for crimes they didn't commit because a prosecutor convinces a jury something about their behavior seems suspicious. I just read about a man in Texas who was released from prison after 26 years when they discovered someone else had murdered his wife. Why was he convicted? Mostly because he didn't "act right." For example, a neighbor testified that after the wife's death, he mowed down his wife's favorite patch of (dead) marigolds. Horrors! Who would do such a thing? He must be guilty of murder.
People want to blame the victim, think somehow it must be the victim's fault. Why? Because it's unbearable to think that we ourselves could end up victims, too.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)that you linked to.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed/?hpt=hp_t2
"NO OTHER SUSPECTS ARE BEING SOUGHT, ACCORDING TO" the police spokesman Todd Rhodes
per the article that you linked to.
"NO OTHER SUSPECTS ARE BEING SOUGHT, ACCORDING TO" the police spokesman Todd Rhodes
per the article that you linked to.
Yet you say,
"Police 'not ruling anyone or anything out' after shooting death of Georgia baby"
Don't you get it?
Even Nancy Grace would understand,
"NO OTHER SUSPECTS ARE BEING SOUGHT, ACCORDING TO" the police spokesman Todd Rhodes
per the article that you linked to.
randome
(34,845 posts)It was geek_tragedy who resurrected it when it should have died.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the mother's account just doesn't smell right.
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2552542
like that?
Frankly, I'm not buying Mom's account of this.
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2569464
And she invited the press into her house hours after her baby was killed and chose to go on Piers Morgan's show. I don't claim that indicates culpability. I am claiming it is odd and unusal behavior.
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022567828#post125
and just how the fuck do YOU fucking know that life insurance on the kid would only cover funeral expenses? You have access to that info? Yeah, sure you do. You just claim to know one thing after another that you couldn't possibly know. I have expressed doubt but I sure haven't made the absurd claims of inside knowledge that YOU keep making. And btw, she had her son cremated and told the funeral home to dispose of the ashes so the cost of that was about as minimal as you can get.
In plain language, dearie: You don't have a clue as whether the scenario happened as she claimed- anymore than I do.
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022567828#post191
know that you made a broad claim that she had been cleared. Not until I called you on it did you specify "as the triggerperson".
and her daughter being estranged doesn't make her a liar. As a matter of fact, how exactly is the daughter estranged? She's been talking to her mother. That would suggest that they have a relationship. Estrangement doesn't entail a relationship. Speaking of the daughter, Sherry West either neglected her or abused her. And she brought up a son who attempted to murder someone. This woman has a fuck of a lot of ugly history. Doesn't mean she's guilty of being involved in the murder of her younger son, but it is flashing neon light when it comes to investigating her properly. I trust the authorities are doing just that.
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022567828#post162
of being involved. surprise, surprise. you're disingenuous crap is getting a little old. You know perfectly well I never said she pulled the trigger. In fact, I've been quite clear that she did not.
pathetic on top of more pathetic, sweetums.
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022567828#post152
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022567828
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014432578#post10
The police have issued no statement clearing the mother of involvement in the crime. You've been called out on this repeatedly but that doesn't stop you from your mendacious claim.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022567828#post203
263. "at this time she is not a suspect"
hardly clearing her.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022567828#post203
130. No, there's no evidence, but it's odd that her daughter is uncomfortable with the story.
The husband's outburst is a bit strange. Doesn't mean she did it, but I'm just not comfortable with the story. I don't think she shot her baby. I think it is not outside the realm of possibility that she hired the kid.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2569532
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=435225
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)human garbage from the moment the story broke and then blocked out any information to the contrary in her head.
This is how rape victims get demonized--people don't want to believe their friend or cousin or favorite athlete is a rapist, so they take the easy way out and deem the victim a lying (insert misogynist term here).
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,483 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)256. why do you keep repeating that falsehood?
The police have issued no statement clearing the mother of involvement in the crime. You've been called out on this repeatedly but that doesn't stop you from your mendacious claim.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2571464
51. For the umpteenth time, the police have issued NO STATEMENT CLEARING HER
Keep repeating that piece of dog shit mendacity though- despite having been corrected dozens of times and not providing a link to a police statement clearing her of involvement.
248. Aside from the fact that I'm not particularly interested in your response
to a question clearly not directed to you, it's erroneous to claim I'm peddling innuendo.
And if the mother is cleared, I'll have no problem saying my unease was misplaced. That time has not yet come.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2571312
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)There was shameful behavior from people blaming a mother who witnessed her get his face torn off with a bullet.
randome
(34,845 posts)So I don't know what apology might be forthcoming. Suspicions were raised, nothing more, and it got conflated into this hate fest.
All these threads on this subject reflect poorly on DU. We need to let it go.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:46 PM - Edit history (1)
and engaged in various smears of her. And she went dumpster diving--using tabloid smears based on the father's grieving statements blaming her for walking the kid on that street.
And was just plain nasty towards those who pushed back with the moral/intelligent position. So, yes she was absolutely wrong in a factual and a moral sense.
A few samples:
the mother's account just doesn't smell right.
know that you made a broad claim that she had been cleared. Not until I called you on it did you specify "as the triggerperson".
and her daughter being estranged doesn't make her a liar. As a matter of fact, how exactly is the daughter estranged? She's been talking to her mother. That would suggest that they have a relationship. Estrangement doesn't entail a relationship. Speaking of the daughter, Sherry West either neglected her or abused her. And she brought up a son who attempted to murder someone. This woman has a fuck of a lot of ugly history. Doesn't mean she's guilty of being involved in the murder of her younger son, but it is flashing neon light when it comes to investigating her properly. I trust the authorities are doing just that.
and just how the fuck do YOU fucking know that life insurance on the kid would only cover funeral expenses? You have access to that info? Yeah, sure you do. You just claim to know one thing after another that you couldn't possibly know. I have expressed doubt but I sure haven't made the absurd claims of inside knowledge that YOU keep making. And btw, she had her son cremated and told the funeral home to dispose of the ashes so the cost of that was about as minimal as you can get. (note: cremated people have memorial services too)
In plain language, dearie: You don't have a clue as whether the scenario happened as she claimed- anymore than I do.
263. "at this time she is not a suspect"
hardly clearing her.
The husband's outburst is a bit strange. Doesn't mean she did it, but I'm just not comfortable with the story. I don't think she shot her baby. I think it is not outside the realm of possibility that she hired the kid.
It sounds like they're not entirely convinced by the mother's account either.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)just to throw cali off the scent!
And until xxx number of years go by and the mother is still not convicted, then an apology might be forthcoming. Until then, cali will always be right, in her mind.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)I heard it on our local Atlanta station. Last I heard was there were tests being held on the gun to see if it was used to commit the crime.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)"the" gun.
madmom
(9,681 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)LisaL
(44,962 posts)Those feelings that some people claimed to have about the mother that "something wasn't right" didn't amount to a bag of beans.
That poor woman was shot and her baby was murdered in a random crime of violence.
"He says the answer is no. "We're comfortable now, six days into it that the location of the incident and the victim were random," Doering said.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Baby-Murder-New-information/fG9oZ0Vej0CqqU0joCgpsQ.cspx
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)wrong.
The rest, crickets.
Including the OP.
99Forever
(14,524 posts).. now be quite appropriate.
I doubt however, one will be forthcoming.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)If she has another child i believe some parenting classes are necessary if she has more kids. I don't think she killed the kid.I just don't think she has any parenting skills. When my daughter died, i almost died. I could not even brush my teeth for days. And it was something that i had been expecting for months. So, i find the way she asked about money repelling, and thought provoking. And she got rid of her kid's stuff. I expect she will have an emotional breakdown soon.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)There is no 'correct' way to grieve.