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cali

(114,904 posts)
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 03:25 PM Mar 2013

Police 'not ruling anyone or anything out' after shooting death of Georgia baby

Good, because this story stinks to high heaven. The mother is way too garrulous and way too calm and the circumstances just seem odd.

<snip>

She continued, "And then, all of a sudden, he walked over and he shot my baby in the face."

West said she tried to perform CPR on her son and that the police took over when they arrived, but to no avail. "We lost him," she said.

During the incident, the smaller of the two boys was hiding behind the larger one, she said. "I don't know whether it was his brother or a friend."

West said she hoped the boys will receive the maximum sentence possible. "If they can use a gun like an adult, then they can be charged like an adult," she said. "I want to see lethal injection or at least life in prison. This child did nothing to him. He was innocent and helpless."

She described the shooter as an African-American, skinny with "a little bit of protruding eyebrows."


<snip>

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed/?hpt=hp_t2


and she goes on and on. It just sounds off. now, it seems unlikely that she did this herself as they haven't recovered a gun, but that doesn't mean she wasn't in on it somehow.

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Police 'not ruling anyone or anything out' after shooting death of Georgia baby (Original Post) cali Mar 2013 OP
sick superpatriotman Mar 2013 #1
the story brought out the usual racists in the newspaper forums Liberal_in_LA Mar 2013 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Mar 2013 #7
I agree. pacalo Mar 2013 #3
I'd like to add, that it's not hard to read between the lines of the police statement cali Mar 2013 #4
It sounds like you were full of shit. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #22
Or don't, because the investigation isn't complete. IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #25
The police have cleared the mother geek tragedy Mar 2013 #26
Link, please. I searched and found nothing of the sort. IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #30
"Police: Slain Baby, Mom Victims of Random Crime" geek tragedy Mar 2013 #32
Thank you for the link, but I don't think the investigation is complete. IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #39
Ugh. You are quite clearly not trying geek tragedy Mar 2013 #41
When a dead child is involved, I give NO ONE INVOLVED the benefit of the doubt. IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #45
I am a rational human being. I look at facts. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #47
Are you a parent? Do you have the facts on how much this child was worth (dead) financially? IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #56
You still have not cited a single fact geek tragedy Mar 2013 #60
Here are the facts we know: IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #70
That same suspect is suspected of another robbery where he allegedly shot a guy. LisaL Mar 2013 #116
It's in very bad taste to blame a woman for not be able to protect her child. LisaL Mar 2013 #117
You missed the discussion in the other thread about IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #121
I happen to be a parent, AND a trauma survivor riqster Mar 2013 #54
Please accept my sympathies on your loss. IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #64
The mother's actions have been scrutinized by the police premium Mar 2013 #84
I will wait until the investigation is complete. IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #90
My sympathies are with you joeglow3 Mar 2013 #104
That poor guy riqster Mar 2013 #109
Why is it so hard to give the benefit of the doubt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #110
No, we can't imagine. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #111
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #77
The OP was started last Friday. randome Mar 2013 #79
Please see post #85. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #87
There's a great deal of psychology on how people geek tragedy Mar 2013 #81
Yea, I've heard of Nancy Grace. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #86
Still waiting for that retraction you promised everyone. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #125
You really out to self-delete this. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #5
Even the article that she linked to reported "NO OTHER SUSPECTS ARE BEING SOUGHT, ACCORDING TO" AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #80
The OP was started last Friday. randome Mar 2013 #82
When the OP headline was written last Friday and when the link in the OP was included last AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #85
the OP accused me of spreading "dogshit lies" geek tragedy Mar 2013 #89
She, of course, is not alone. There are a great many others who want to pile on the mother no AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #96
waiting for an apology on this. Disgusting to blame the victim of this heinous crime. nt alphafemale Mar 2013 #6
What could a mother possibly get out of this besides a dead baby? Rex Mar 2013 #8
um, you know the dingo didn't eat that baby either.... bettyellen Mar 2013 #9
Something does smell fishy kudzu22 Mar 2013 #10
wow really? you are pushing this so hard and your evidence is.....? Sheepshank Mar 2013 #11
embarrassing to see this on DU, the woman was wounded in the ear, FFS. bettyellen Mar 2013 #13
You need help Beaverhausen Mar 2013 #12
Saw an interview with the mother - lynne Mar 2013 #14
I thought that was strange..fully gel'd hair and makeup HipChick Mar 2013 #16
Care to apologize for your reckless accusations? nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #21
Last time I watched CNN was the Baloon Boy story. olddots Mar 2013 #15
....LOL !...The best two hours in television history ! RagAss Mar 2013 #120
Doubling down? MineralMan Mar 2013 #17
At this point timdog44 Mar 2013 #18
Big difference between "blaming" and "suspecting" treestar Mar 2013 #118
Not enough info to know for sure. 99Forever Mar 2013 #19
Kick for the promised public retraction! nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #20
Out of curiosity, based on what? IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #24
Cali promised a public retraction if she was proven wrong. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #28
She hasn't been proven wrong yet. IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #33
The police have declared her a victim and ruled her out geek tragedy Mar 2013 #37
We disagree, just like you disagree with cali, and the others of us who are suspicious. IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #42
No we do not disagree. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #43
You do not possess *all* of the facts. I am stating unequivocally that I believe IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #48
That's the thing. I'm going on the facts, you are geek tragedy Mar 2013 #51
Well, you will certainly NOT be invited to the party that someone is likely ... 11 Bravo Mar 2013 #68
Just like I wouldn't be invited to any parties geek tragedy Mar 2013 #69
We've had our differences, but I stand squarely with you on this issue. 11 Bravo Mar 2013 #72
Coolio. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #75
I have to take issue with your contention that anyone is 'pretending' anything. randome Mar 2013 #44
We do not tolerate this kind of stuff when it is said geek tragedy Mar 2013 #46
Yes, you have listed all of the reasons she appears OFF. IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #53
None of those things are evidence she was behind the crime. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #55
Have you? And yes, counselor, goes to motive. IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #58
Motive is not evidence of guilt. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #62
No, but it is where you start - who has motive to commit a crime? IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #66
"She isn't the REAL victim here." geek tragedy Mar 2013 #67
The real victim is the murdered child. IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #73
She is a real victim also premium Mar 2013 #92
She is breathing. Her baby isn't. IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #98
Here's why I know she's not involved in any way. premium Mar 2013 #101
That hole in her leg want to talk to you about being a victim CBGLuthier Mar 2013 #74
If I am not clear, let me try to phrase things better: IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #83
While you are saying that you are trying "to phrase things better" and "(for reasons unknown) she AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #103
There is no need to "pray that the mother is not involved." LisaL Mar 2013 #113
Isn't this kind of like stalking or calling out that poster? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #27
She was incredibly nasty in defense of her smear on this mother. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #29
This is really shabby of you, cali Whisp Mar 2013 #23
the mother has been cleared by the police bench scientist Mar 2013 #31
wow, shades of Nancy Grace nt. quinnox Mar 2013 #34
Why can't you get off of this? Rajesh Mar 2013 #35
I gotta wonder if this has to do with the race of suspects SpartanDem Mar 2013 #36
Two wrongs don't make it right. LisaL Mar 2013 #114
THIS JUST IN WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #38
Goodness gracious. Orrex Mar 2013 #40
I'm only posting because your sig line is hilarious. Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #52
It just keeps getting better, doesn't it? pinboy3niner Mar 2013 #57
This whole thread is Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #61
I'm only posting because I love your screen name. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #71
You just cannot help yourself Texasgal Mar 2013 #49
what a disgusting piece of crapola... chillfactor Mar 2013 #50
Don't hold your breath. alphafemale Mar 2013 #59
It's still going on in this very thread. nt. premium Mar 2013 #63
What is a "normal" reaction to the shocking, violent death of a loved one? pnwmom Mar 2013 #65
"NO OTHER SUSPECTS ARE BEING SOUGHT, ACCORDING TO" the police spokesman Todd Rhodes per the article AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #76
This thread was started last Friday, you know. randome Mar 2013 #78
Please see post #85. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #91
And these: geek tragedy Mar 2013 #105
How could anyone adopt this as their cause? Where's the humanity? AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #107
She decided that the mother was a lying piece of geek tragedy Mar 2013 #108
He "resurrected" it because he was insulted repeatedly for stating the same thing posted in #76. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #95
cali owes a whole lot of apologies for her reprehensible conduct geek tragedy Mar 2013 #99
It shouldn't die until there is an apology. alphafemale Mar 2013 #106
No one ever said they were right. randome Mar 2013 #115
No apology can ever be expected from people without the integrity to admit they were wrong. alphafemale Mar 2013 #119
the OP accused the victim of lying geek tragedy Mar 2013 #124
but but but the police could be lieing! Whisp Mar 2013 #100
"You're telling me there's a chance!" geek tragedy Mar 2013 #102
The gun was recovered. The younger boy led the cops to it or his aunt did. RebelOne Mar 2013 #88
The salt-water area may have held one or more guns. Reportedly, they're testing it to see if it is AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #97
Posting to watch where this goes. madmom Mar 2013 #93
I think there is a light at the end of this old tunnel! slackmaster Mar 2013 #94
Police say this was a random crime. LisaL Mar 2013 #112
I've seen exactly one who begrudgingly admitted they were geek tragedy Mar 2013 #122
An apology for this mean spirited OP would... 99Forever Mar 2013 #123
She should be getting some professional care. bravenak Mar 2013 #126
People grieve in different ways. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #127

Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #2)

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. I'd like to add, that it's not hard to read between the lines of the police statement
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:20 PM
Mar 2013

It sounds like they're not entirely convinced by the mother's account either.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
25. Or don't, because the investigation isn't complete.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:25 PM
Mar 2013

Seriously. Why pretend yesterday's discussion didn't happen?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
26. The police have cleared the mother
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:27 PM
Mar 2013

and stated that she was a victim of a random crime.

In other words, cali was full of shit.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
30. Link, please. I searched and found nothing of the sort.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:30 PM
Mar 2013

I was unable to find any updated news story since Monday.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
39. Thank you for the link, but I don't think the investigation is complete.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:40 PM
Mar 2013

All kinds of things get put out there; my guess is that the investigation is still going on behind the scenes. The police are allowed to lie to anyone (including reporters) while investigating a crime, and it is not uncommon to pretend people aren't suspects while gathering evidence. (At least according to the fictional shows I watch - lol!)

Wait until the case is finished, and then go pull this out.

As I said in another link, *my* radar went off because I find the mother's lack of "mamma tiger" protectiveness improbable, although I am attempting to give her the benefit of the doubt.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
41. Ugh. You are quite clearly not trying
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:42 PM
Mar 2013

to give her the benefit of the doubt, as you are explicitly refusing to take the police at their word when they said she didn't do it.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
45. When a dead child is involved, I give NO ONE INVOLVED the benefit of the doubt.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:48 PM
Mar 2013

Why on earth would I? My goal (and that of the police) is that the BABY receive justice, and that no future innocents be endangered.

And no, I am *NOT* going to take the police at their word until they are in court and under oath, especially since I know they will lie at the drop of a hat if they think it will help them trip up anyone who is guilty.

I asked you yesterday - are you a parent? You never answered. Do you find her actions during the commission of this crime to be that of a person whose sole concern was for the health and well being of her child (which is what a parent's job is)?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
47. I am a rational human being. I look at facts.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:52 PM
Mar 2013

Every single fact--every single one of them--points at her being a victim, not a criminal.

Those who consider her a suspect do so for their own emotional and irrational reasons.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
56. Are you a parent? Do you have the facts on how much this child was worth (dead) financially?
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:09 PM
Mar 2013

Do you possess all of the facts to prove she had no communication with or prior knowledge of the perpetrators?

Have you been able to ascertain FROM THE PERPETRATORS that they had no prior knowledge or relationship with her?

Have you been able to ascertain FROM THE PERPETRATORS why they committed felony murder on a 13 month old sleeping baby, but left an adult witness alive to identify them?

Do you have any facts as to the state of mind of the alleged perpetrators?

Do you have any facts as to why she was deemed unfit (abuse or neglect) as a mother for her eight year old daughter?

Please share. Because from where I am sitting, the only people in possession of the "facts" are probably still investigating all of them - and these are just some of the MANY questions that are undoubtedly being asked.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
60. You still have not cited a single fact
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:14 PM
Mar 2013

that points towards her guilt.

Every available fact points at their guilt.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
70. Here are the facts we know:
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:33 PM
Mar 2013

A woman with a history of bad decision making decided to take a walk to the post office. She did this by going through a neighborhood that "wasn't safe".

Two random teenagers accosted her. We have no idea why they were there.

They demanded money (per her). She did not scream for help. She made no move to protect her child or get the two of them away from danger. Charitably, she "froze". (This happens - fight, flight or freeze.)

A random teenager who was "pretending" to be a gangster then fired a weapon four times, with the fourth bullet aimed at a sleeping infant who had not been pulled into anything resembling safety by his mother during a dangerous encounter that lasted for an unknown period of time, but at least several sentences worth. She did not scream for assistance when the gun was pointed at her. She did not scream for assistance when she herself was shot. (This seems odd - perhaps the accounts are simply not complete.)

The teenagers then "ran away" and an adult picked them up, who then turned them in to the police. If this adult had not turned them in, since they were not from the area, and were presumably unknown to the woman, she then identified them in a police line-up.

We still have no known motivation for the actions of the youths, including leaving a living witness.

If she had any prior contact with them (which we are all hoping she did not), then the actions of all involved are consistent with a hired hit, including her being shot in a non-fatal way, and then being left alive to pay them off.

Yes, they are guilty - the question is: Was she just really stupid? ("I thought it was a fake gun, even after a bullet flew by my head and another entered my leg, which is why I didn't worry about protecting my baby.&quot Or was she involved for motives unknown, possibly financial?

I don't want to believe that. But plausible means it needs investigating, and implying that it shouldn't be isn't the mark of a wise person.

My opinion. Like you, I am becoming repetitive.

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
116. That same suspect is suspected of another robbery where he allegedly shot a guy.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 08:27 PM
Mar 2013

Isn't it time to give up these sort of claims about an innocent victim of a horrendous crime?

"The indictment says that on March 11, Elkins pointed a gun at Wilfredo Calix-Flores and demanded his wallet and cell phone and then shot him in the arm with a .22-caliber revolver."

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2013-03-27/story/two-brunswick-teens-indicted-murder-charges-babys-shooting-death#ixzz2Omm9GZlJ

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
117. It's in very bad taste to blame a woman for not be able to protect her child.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 08:32 PM
Mar 2013

The suspect had a gun. She didn't.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
121. You missed the discussion in the other thread about
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 09:42 PM
Mar 2013

Her not "flipping" the stroller behind her. I am the mother of twins, and I could have done it with a double stroller in a heartbeat especially with a gun near my baby. My life for my child - in a heartbeat (given the time to act, of course). I have read the reports. I question the story. I will wait until the investigation is complete (and that means when the court case is over). Not every defense attorney spills everything to the media.

But I watch a lot of "Law & Order" so I also expect a surprise ending, especially when the mother's story is so implausible and her affect is so odd. As I stated, to be fair, she is diagnosed bipolar/schizophrenic with a history of bad decision making, so maybe making the memory of her son disappear within 48 hours of his death is normal for her. I have never heard of anyone grieving like that, but it takes all kinds, right?

Tragic story. One child dead at eighteen killed while committing a felony, another removed from her care due to abuse / neglect at age eight/never returned, and now a random stranger mysteriously shoots the child an unemployed mentally disabled woman has a life insurance policy on, which she doesn't use to cover his funeral expenses with because she has him cremated and disposed of without ever seeing him again after he is put into an ambulance.

Nothing to see here. Just another day in America.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
54. I happen to be a parent, AND a trauma survivor
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:06 PM
Mar 2013

Both of which this mother is. All the posts about how "suspicious" her behavior supposedly was omit the trauma piece.

After my son died, I had to suck it up and deal, right away. I could not break down, there were things that had to be done immediately. Some were financial, and yes, I was obliged to talk about money and insurance settlements on the very day he died.

And oh, by the bye, I bathed, shaved, brushed my teeth and combed my hair.

I was not a bad father. I was a good father, doing what had to be done, and putting my grief on hold while I did so.

Anyone who hasn't had to bury their own kid has absolutely no clue what it's like. And to criticize someone who is going through something of which you know nothing is the height of arrogance.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
64. Please accept my sympathies on your loss.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:19 PM
Mar 2013

And please understand that going on television is NOT something that "had to be done."

Please do not mistake my advocacy for a strong investigation to ensure justice for the murder victim as anything other than that. The mother's actions need to be scrutinized by the appropriate authorities; it is terrible to be under suspicion, but unfortunately, it is reality, especially given the oddness of her affect and subsequent making him disappear, and the many poor choices she has previously made (many of which can undoubtedly be attributed to her bipolar/schizophrenic issues).



 

premium

(3,731 posts)
84. The mother's actions have been scrutinized by the police
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:53 PM
Mar 2013

and she has been ruled out as a suspect. It really is that simple.
If she had been involved in any way, those 2 boys would have rolled over on her is a heartbeat.

She is not involved in this in any way at all.
Ever been under fire? I have and my first time, I froze up.
Different people react to stressful situations in different ways.
I find nothing odd at all to her reaction to being threatened with a gun.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
90. I will wait until the investigation is complete.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:57 PM
Mar 2013

As I said elsewhere, the police have been known to lie while they are investigating.

I find it odd that she didn't move to protect her child. I am also trying to keep in mind that everything probably happened "very quickly" given the circumstances.

I pray she had no involvement. The idea is disturbing on many levels, but I won't lie and say it isn't adding up for me.

Why would they shoot the baby and leave her alive?

We may never know.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
104. My sympathies are with you
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 05:57 PM
Mar 2013

This happened to a friend of mine about a month ago. His infant child died in a horrible accident. He was so torn up, he was hospitalized (when police came, he told them he did not want to live, so he was taken to the hospital for a mandatory 48 hours). There was all kinds of speculation in the media, people saying horrible things, etc. When the autopsy came back that it was an accident, there was radio silence in the media.

All in all, it was a TERRIBLE situation made MUCH MUCH MUCH worse by the media and speculators.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
110. Why is it so hard to give the benefit of the doubt
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 06:55 PM
Mar 2013

to someone in grief?

If they turn out to be a criminal, the police will figure it out without the help of Internet commenters.

Response to geek tragedy (Reply #26)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
81. There's a great deal of psychology on how people
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:49 PM
Mar 2013

tend to dig in harder in defense of false beliefs when presented with evidence disproving those beliefs.

For example, climate denialists just become more adamant that global warming is a hoax when you provide them with scientific evidence.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
125. Still waiting for that retraction you promised everyone.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:45 PM
Mar 2013
http://www.news4jax.com/news/Police-Bullet-to-be-tested-with-gun-in-child-s-killing/-/475880/19505106/-/dlw3xu/-/index.html

A bullet recovered at the crime scene where a 1-year-old boy was killed will be tested ballistically against a .22-caliber handgun found in a pond two miles away, Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering said at a news conference Thursday afternoon.

...

Doering said West "was never a suspect in my mind," and he called the crime "a true tragedy, the worst evil imaginable."

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
80. Even the article that she linked to reported "NO OTHER SUSPECTS ARE BEING SOUGHT, ACCORDING TO"
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:48 PM
Mar 2013

the police spokesman Todd Rhodes.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed/?hpt=hp_t2

Yet, the headline for the OP states:

"Police 'not ruling anyone or anything out' after shooting death of Georgia baby"
 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
85. When the OP headline was written last Friday and when the link in the OP was included last
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:54 PM
Mar 2013

Friday, it was known at that time that

"NO OTHER SUSPECTS ARE BEING SOUGHT, ACCORDING TO" the police spokesman Todd Rhodes.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed/?hpt=hp_t2


Yet, while including a link to a story in which a police spokesmen said "no other suspects are being sought," the headline for the OP states:
"Police 'not ruling anyone or anything out' after shooting death of Georgia baby"
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
89. the OP accused me of spreading "dogshit lies"
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:57 PM
Mar 2013

when I stated that the mother had been cleared as a suspect.

She also said:

Now, maybe I am a hundred percent wrong and if so, I will publicly admit to that, but I'm not there yet.


She was beating the drums of innuendo and accusation against this victim for five days, viciously attacking people who disagreed.

Well, she was proven wrong. And she has fled any discussion of it.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
96. She, of course, is not alone. There are a great many others who want to pile on the mother no
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 05:03 PM
Mar 2013

matter what the police say and no matter what evidence is uncovered.

Elsewhere it has been reported that a relative of one of the boys said that he was just a witness. Also reported elsewhere, it's been said that one of the boy's relatives led the police to salt-water area to recover a gun and that the police have recovered a gun. Apparently, they are now testing it to see if it is "the" gun.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
9. um, you know the dingo didn't eat that baby either....
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:50 PM
Mar 2013

oh yeah, it did.

Delete this piece of shit.

kudzu22

(1,273 posts)
10. Something does smell fishy
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:54 PM
Mar 2013

I hate to admit it, because it means I had to acknowledge that someone could be that sick. I still don't want to think about it.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
11. wow really? you are pushing this so hard and your evidence is.....?
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:57 PM
Mar 2013

you get trounced on another thread and decide to start an op on the same subject...to prove what?

Your guessing games at this point are nasty and typical of RW blaming the victim before all the facts are in. They even felt sorry for Zimmerman and Sandusky.....nice company you are keeping.

lynne

(3,118 posts)
14. Saw an interview with the mother -
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:09 PM
Mar 2013

- after she returned home from the emergency room. Will admit that I thought her giving an interview unusual given all she'd been through. I thought her reaction rather calm considering her loss and what she had witnessed. I was wondering if she was possibly in shock or if she was on painkillers that would impact her responses.

Truly tragic story, all way around.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
15. Last time I watched CNN was the Baloon Boy story.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:17 PM
Mar 2013

I got sucked into that for a few hours then decided CNN is a different kind of fox.

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
18. At this point
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:58 PM
Mar 2013

I find it disgusting that we here on DU are blaming the victim. Have we not gone through this with all kinds of situations, blaming victims. I am ashamed.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
118. Big difference between "blaming" and "suspecting"
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 08:36 PM
Mar 2013

Sometimes you have to suspect an apparent victim. There are many cases that turn out differently than first thought.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
19. Not enough info to know for sure.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:02 PM
Mar 2013

I'll withhold any comment till there are more facts. But that's just me.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
24. Out of curiosity, based on what?
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:23 PM
Mar 2013

There is a longer thread with this discussed from yesterday, but you "kick" the one from last week instead?

I am still paying attention to this case; nothing new has come out. Everyone is being investigated, which is what should happen, especially with a bipolar-schizophrenic mother with a history of bad parenting (one dead son killed in the commission of a crime, one daughter removed from her custody because of either abuse or neglect, and one dead baby with life insurance and the bad luck to run into a money hungry, illogical teen who was psychopathic enough to kill a baby, but not bright enough to kill the only witness, whose remains were disposed of while everything he had was donated -- not the actions of any loving, grieving parent I have ever come across, and definitely suspicious - more like the happy widow who redecorates and moves the "new" paramour in, hmmm?).

Finding this woman's behavior suspicious is completely reasonable, and we discussed many of the reasons why good parents find the behavior of all involved unlikely to the point of improbable.

Why not re-kick the thread, or start a "call out" in a few months when the investigation is complete?

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
33. She hasn't been proven wrong yet.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:34 PM
Mar 2013

Even the good folks on Law & Order re-runs take a little time to work things through. It will be months before everything is sorted out.

And being suspicious of improbable events is actually sad, but wise. I believe another poster pointed out that statistically, a parent kills a child every three days, while the odds of a stranger doing it are significantly lower.

It is terrible, but there are people like that out there. That poor baby.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
37. The police have declared her a victim and ruled her out
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:37 PM
Mar 2013

as a suspect.

The matter is settled.

It is not honest to pretend otherwise.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
42. We disagree, just like you disagree with cali, and the others of us who are suspicious.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:43 PM
Mar 2013

It is a discussion board, and people do that. Why are you trying to make it personal? Why act like people (most of them parents) who find behavior improbable/unlikely are "bad" because they actually say so?

If you found the thread so offensive, why not just hide it?

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
48. You do not possess *all* of the facts. I am stating unequivocally that I believe
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:52 PM
Mar 2013

more investigation is being done, and I am skeptical that we have heard the end of this story.

Give it time. At the end of the day, your opinion - and mine and cali's - don't really matter. We are just talking about it on a discussion board, and none of us are involved with the family or the people investigating / prosecuting the case.

I really don't understand why you have decided to make this a personal vendetta.

You don't like the fact cali (and many of the rest of us) have a suspicious nature - ignore her and the threads that offend you.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
51. That's the thing. I'm going on the facts, you are
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:55 PM
Mar 2013

going on your beliefs/suspicions.

You do not know a single thing that would rationally lead you to conclude the mother was complicit in this killing.

Not a single thing.

Any suspicion you have of the mother is irrational.

11 Bravo

(23,922 posts)
68. Well, you will certainly NOT be invited to the party that someone is likely ...
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:31 PM
Mar 2013

to throw should it turn out that the mother bears any culpability at all in the death of the baby.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
69. Just like I wouldn't be invited to any parties
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:33 PM
Mar 2013

someone would throw if it turned out Obama was born in Kenya or if Sandy Hook was a government hoax.

In the meantime, I'm happy to not be on Team BlameTheVictim.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
75. Coolio.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:37 PM
Mar 2013

There can be heated disagreements on policy--and any two people will have them if they discuss enough issues--but there are some things that to me just are a matter of simple decency.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
44. I have to take issue with your contention that anyone is 'pretending' anything.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:45 PM
Mar 2013

I haven't seen anyone take a stand one way or the other. Suspicions were pointed out. Your vitriol against some DUers for voicing their suspicions is as out of place as the suggested 'wrong' you say has been done to the mother.

You seem to be taking this entirely too personally, IMO.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
46. We do not tolerate this kind of stuff when it is said
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:50 PM
Mar 2013

about rape victims.

Why should there be a different standard for a woman who gets shot and has her baby murdered?

Here are the list of reasons people at DU came up with why they suspected this woman killed her baby:

She asked about an insurance sheck
She has a history of mental illness
Her husband was angry at her for having the baby on that street
She ate fried chicken
She had gel in her hair
She didn't cry enough
Susan Smith
She had the baby cremated
Something seemed off
She was with her kid in a bad neighborhood
Her estanged daughter thought she was acting weird


Notice anything missing from that list?

The answer is: any kind of evidence that she was complicit.

It was sleazy innuendo.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
53. Yes, you have listed all of the reasons she appears OFF.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:04 PM
Mar 2013

What you saw as sleazy innuendo appears to be questionable behavior to me.

I cannot empathetically put myself in her place with a dead child that I didn't make a move to protect and picture myself:

a) discussing the financial benefits I should be receiving within a matter of hours;
b) not ask for the body to be held for me to bury/mourn/see/touch/anything just in case to prove it wasn't a mistake;
c) dispose of the ashes (I still have the ashes from my two dogs who were killed in 2006) without asking where;
d) dispose of all possessions associated with the child within 48 hours (not even keeping a blanket with his scent to cry into?);
e) mentally be able to do my hair as if the world was still fine within 24 hours of the event in preparation for appearing on a television interview;
f) have my child taken away due to abuse or neglect (which you minimize as "estranged daughter&quot ;

Etc.

It isn't sleazy innuendo. It is what people who commit first degree murder do. In their heads, they have already "killed" the person, so "cleaning house" and being happy to be able to "move on with their lives" (again, according to fictional television dramas and murder mystery novels - lol!) do when they DON'T want to be reminded of someone.

"Forget" my lost child? NEVER!!! I still mourn my pets who crossed over the rainbow bridge...and my children are far more precious to me.

It is hard for me to remember that not everyone feels that way, but unfortunately, there are people like that out there.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
55. None of those things are evidence she was behind the crime.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:08 PM
Mar 2013

Not a single one.

None of them would be admissible in a court of law.

You have never been shot and had your baby's brains blown out in front of you, so you have no idea how you would behave in such circumstances.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
58. Have you? And yes, counselor, goes to motive.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:11 PM
Mar 2013

Oooh! Now I *totally* sound like a "Law & Order" geek! Lol!

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
66. No, but it is where you start - who has motive to commit a crime?
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:22 PM
Mar 2013

Figure that out, then start following the money.

Mothers who complain that "being a parent is more work/harder than I thought it would be" whose children end up dead shortly thereafter are going to be looked at a little bit harder - which is as it should be.

She isn't the REAL victim here. The murdered baby is. Unfortunately, her pain is just additional collateral damage.

Sick, isn't it? But truth.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
67. "She isn't the REAL victim here."
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:28 PM
Mar 2013

Sick, yes. Truth, absolutely not.

Now forgive me, but your post is so absolutely disgusting and reprehensible and devoid of human decency that I can't engage you any further.


 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
73. The real victim is the murdered child.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:37 PM
Mar 2013

I am sorry you find this disgusting/reprehensible/devoid of human decency, but it is the truth.

She is still alive. Her child is not.

I am comfortable with you not engaging me further. You seem to think your opinions are more valid than anyone else's, and I find that ... amusing.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
92. She is a real victim also
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:59 PM
Mar 2013

She watched her baby being executed, she was shot twice, once in the leg, her ear was grazed.
And now she's being victimized here by people who are insinuating that she had something to do with this heinous crime.
I don't know how you can say that she's not a real victim.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
98. She is breathing. Her baby isn't.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 05:07 PM
Mar 2013

On the victim scale, the baby wins.

On the lifetime pain scale, I think she will suffer more.

She isn't being victimized here - we are all talking about a case in the news. We are sharing thoughts about it, trying to come to terms with the tragedy. She *should* be investigated, because she needs to be ruled out, especially with her history of (politely) "bad judgment" in the care and raising of her children. ANYONE remotely connected to the case needs to be investigated thoroughly so that ANYONE who participated in such a heinous crime is locked away from society.

Have you heard of "Munchhausen" syndrome? (Not sure of the spelling.) There are some *really* sick people out there. (shudder) I pray she isn't one of them.

Being suspicious of someone based on stuff we read on the internet - you do realize we are on a DISCUSSION BOARD, right?

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
101. Here's why I know she's not involved in any way.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 05:14 PM
Mar 2013

Those 2 boys would have been screaming at the top of their lungs that she was the one who put them up to it, also, the police have stated that they aren't looking for anyone else involved.
She had nothing to do with this.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
74. That hole in her leg want to talk to you about being a victim
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:37 PM
Mar 2013

Gunshot Victim I believe would be the expression. You know that sad expression we hear every five minutes in america.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
83. If I am not clear, let me try to phrase things better:
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:50 PM
Mar 2013

I believe the "real" victim of a murder is the person who is MURDERED.

Please do not mean I think this should minimize the pain of the "periphery victims" -- the grief of survivors is something that should NEVER be ignored.



You are correct that she is the victim of an assault, but since (for reasons unknown) she was shot in the leg / they inexplicably left a living witness to shooting a sleeping baby in the head, I want the police to concentrate their energies on the MURDERED CHILD - who, how, and why. The teenager "pumping himself up" for such a deed on Facebook a few days before (had he ever made such comments before? and how come no one noticed beforehand?) strikes me plausibly as someone preparing to commit the crime, which begs the question of WHY? Gang initiation? Paid job? Random shooting with/without an escape plan?

Seriously, WTF?

I pray the mother is not involved, as I find the idea sickening. But I am not willing to let my own distaste for the idea that a parent would harm or arrange for someone to harm their own child blind me to the fact that there are indeed some awful people out there who would actually do such a horrible thing.

I am an advocate for a strong investigation, no matter how distasteful it might be. The mother's affect strikes me as "off" but that might simply be due to trauma/shock/mental illness. After the investigation is complete, if she is found innocent, but unlucky, my full support to her. In the meantime, with children being killed by their parents every three days in America (per someone else's post), I believe the police are undoubtedly doing a full investigation, and implying that they shouldn't because "it is mean!" is ridiculous.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
103. While you are saying that you are trying "to phrase things better" and "(for reasons unknown) she
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 05:25 PM
Mar 2013

was shot in the leg," there are reports on the web (which I do not have at the present) which now indicate that the one with the pistol first shot at the ground or at her leg to emhasize that his threat was real. Then (depending upon the source) he reportedly shot once or twice at her head and actually shot her once in the ear or nicked her ear. His last shot was apparently aimed towards the face of the baby.

His reported effort to shoot the baby was apparently his last one.

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
113. There is no need to "pray that the mother is not involved."
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 08:21 PM
Mar 2013

Police have already said she is not a suspect and this crime was random.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
27. Isn't this kind of like stalking or calling out that poster?
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:27 PM
Mar 2013

Isn't it enough to call her out in your other thread in LBN? Who made you the fucking internet police, anyway?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
29. She was incredibly nasty in defense of her smear on this mother.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:29 PM
Mar 2013

She accused me of pushing "dogshit lies" when I claimed the police had decided the mother was just a victim and not a suspect.

Of course, I was factually correct and her smears of the mother were just that, smears.

But, she promised a retraction if proven incorrect. A promise she has not kept.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
23. This is really shabby of you, cali
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:03 PM
Mar 2013

Last edited Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:55 PM - Edit history (1)

It's gotten personal with you and I don't think you really give a shit about the dead baby or the mother or anything else but your 'credibility' ass.

This is what is sick.

Apologize and get it done with.

Why people are so afraid to sincerely apologize is mostly why we are so fucked up in everything. Stubborness at the expense of anything. Me right, you wrong. ugh guh zork cooks his meat, haha ugy.


 

Rajesh

(9 posts)
35. Why can't you get off of this?
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:35 PM
Mar 2013

Seriously. Is it so hard for you to believe that something this horrible can actually happen in these glorious United States of America? I hate to break it to you, but this shit happens all the time. Every day, in fact. Babies getting shot. Hard to swallow, but true. Maybe people might stand up and actually do something about the non existent gun laws in this country. But I'm not holding my breath. People seem to have all but already forgotten Newtown.

SpartanDem

(4,533 posts)
36. I gotta wonder if this has to do with the race of suspects
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:36 PM
Mar 2013

I get that the racist like Zimmerman's brother are in a tizzy over this story, but I kind of see your repeated attempts to blame the victim as an attempt counteract what they're saying.

Orrex

(63,086 posts)
40. Goodness gracious.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:41 PM
Mar 2013

I'm only posting here because I want to come back and see what happens to your disgusting clusterfuck of an OP.

chillfactor

(7,566 posts)
50. what a disgusting piece of crapola...
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:54 PM
Mar 2013

the police have cleared the mother ... self-delete this piece of crap.....you are definitely sick in the head....

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
59. Don't hold your breath.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:12 PM
Mar 2013

There will never be an apology. The vile fixation on smearing that mother was wretched.

But there will never be an apology.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
65. What is a "normal" reaction to the shocking, violent death of a loved one?
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:21 PM
Mar 2013

Everyone reacts to trauma in their own way.

And it is all too common to look at victims and decide they're not behaving correctly. Some victims are blamed because they show too much emotion, some are blamed because they show too little. Some talk too much, some don't say anything. And some end up going to prison for crimes they didn't commit because a prosecutor convinces a jury something about their behavior seems suspicious. I just read about a man in Texas who was released from prison after 26 years when they discovered someone else had murdered his wife. Why was he convicted? Mostly because he didn't "act right." For example, a neighbor testified that after the wife's death, he mowed down his wife's favorite patch of (dead) marigolds. Horrors! Who would do such a thing? He must be guilty of murder.

People want to blame the victim, think somehow it must be the victim's fault. Why? Because it's unbearable to think that we ourselves could end up victims, too.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
76. "NO OTHER SUSPECTS ARE BEING SOUGHT, ACCORDING TO" the police spokesman Todd Rhodes per the article
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:43 PM
Mar 2013

that you linked to.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed/?hpt=hp_t2

"NO OTHER SUSPECTS ARE BEING SOUGHT, ACCORDING TO" the police spokesman Todd Rhodes
per the article that you linked to.

"NO OTHER SUSPECTS ARE BEING SOUGHT, ACCORDING TO" the police spokesman Todd Rhodes
per the article that you linked to.


Yet you say,

"Police 'not ruling anyone or anything out' after shooting death of Georgia baby"

Don't you get it?

Even Nancy Grace would understand,
"NO OTHER SUSPECTS ARE BEING SOUGHT, ACCORDING TO" the police spokesman Todd Rhodes
per the article that you linked to.
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
78. This thread was started last Friday, you know.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:47 PM
Mar 2013

It was geek_tragedy who resurrected it when it should have died.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
105. And these:
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 06:00 PM
Mar 2013
Police are not ruling anything or anyone out

the mother's account just doesn't smell right.


http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2552542

14. sure, but honestly what sane person would put themselves and their baby at risk

like that?

Frankly, I'm not buying Mom's account of this.


http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2569464

History as in Susan Smith and Charles Stuart.

And she invited the press into her house hours after her baby was killed and chose to go on Piers Morgan's show. I don't claim that indicates culpability. I am claiming it is odd and unusal behavior.


Of course I said nothing of the sort. I pointed to a history (hardly one that be challenged) of white folks who commit crimes blaming the "black boogeyman" for the crime they committed. It's happened numerous times in this country. Or are you going to deny that, dear?



http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022567828#post125

OK, it would be a Charles Stuart scenario.

and just how the fuck do YOU fucking know that life insurance on the kid would only cover funeral expenses? You have access to that info? Yeah, sure you do. You just claim to know one thing after another that you couldn't possibly know. I have expressed doubt but I sure haven't made the absurd claims of inside knowledge that YOU keep making. And btw, she had her son cremated and told the funeral home to dispose of the ashes so the cost of that was about as minimal as you can get.

In plain language, dearie: You don't have a clue as whether the scenario happened as she claimed- anymore than I do.


http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022567828#post191

But of course you know I never suggested she was the trigger person and YOU fucking well

know that you made a broad claim that she had been cleared. Not until I called you on it did you specify "as the triggerperson".

and her daughter being estranged doesn't make her a liar. As a matter of fact, how exactly is the daughter estranged? She's been talking to her mother. That would suggest that they have a relationship. Estrangement doesn't entail a relationship. Speaking of the daughter, Sherry West either neglected her or abused her. And she brought up a son who attempted to murder someone. This woman has a fuck of a lot of ugly history. Doesn't mean she's guilty of being involved in the murder of her younger son, but it is flashing neon light when it comes to investigating her properly. I trust the authorities are doing just that.




http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022567828#post162


lol. so you can't post the link to the non-existent police statement clearing her

of being involved. surprise, surprise. you're disingenuous crap is getting a little old. You know perfectly well I never said she pulled the trigger. In fact, I've been quite clear that she did not.

pathetic on top of more pathetic, sweetums.


http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022567828#post152

Now clearly I'm not saying that West actually shot herself and the baby but she could have been behind it.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022567828

This story has a Susan Smith aroma to it.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014432578#post10

why do you keep repeating that falsehood?

The police have issued no statement clearing the mother of involvement in the crime. You've been called out on this repeatedly but that doesn't stop you from your mendacious claim.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022567828#post203

cali (78,164 posts)
263. "at this time she is not a suspect"

hardly clearing her.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022567828#post203

cali (78,164 posts)
130. No, there's no evidence, but it's odd that her daughter is uncomfortable with the story.

The husband's outburst is a bit strange. Doesn't mean she did it, but I'm just not comfortable with the story. I don't think she shot her baby. I think it is not outside the realm of possibility that she hired the kid.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2569532

she could have hired someone. It's been known to happen.


http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=435225

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
108. She decided that the mother was a lying piece of
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 06:18 PM
Mar 2013

human garbage from the moment the story broke and then blocked out any information to the contrary in her head.

This is how rape victims get demonized--people don't want to believe their friend or cousin or favorite athlete is a rapist, so they take the easy way out and deem the victim a lying (insert misogynist term here).


 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
99. cali owes a whole lot of apologies for her reprehensible conduct
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 05:08 PM
Mar 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2571430



cali (78,164 posts)
256. why do you keep repeating that falsehood?

The police have issued no statement clearing the mother of involvement in the crime. You've been called out on this repeatedly but that doesn't stop you from your mendacious claim.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2571464

cali (78,164 posts)
51. For the umpteenth time, the police have issued NO STATEMENT CLEARING HER

Keep repeating that piece of dog shit mendacity though- despite having been corrected dozens of times and not providing a link to a police statement clearing her of involvement.


cali (78,164 posts)
248. Aside from the fact that I'm not particularly interested in your response

to a question clearly not directed to you, it's erroneous to claim I'm peddling innuendo.

And if the mother is cleared, I'll have no problem saying my unease was misplaced. That time has not yet come.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2571312
 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
106. It shouldn't die until there is an apology.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 06:04 PM
Mar 2013

There was shameful behavior from people blaming a mother who witnessed her get his face torn off with a bullet.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
115. No one ever said they were right.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 08:24 PM
Mar 2013

So I don't know what apology might be forthcoming. Suspicions were raised, nothing more, and it got conflated into this hate fest.

All these threads on this subject reflect poorly on DU. We need to let it go.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
124. the OP accused the victim of lying
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 11:23 AM
Mar 2013

Last edited Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:46 PM - Edit history (1)

and engaged in various smears of her. And she went dumpster diving--using tabloid smears based on the father's grieving statements blaming her for walking the kid on that street.

And was just plain nasty towards those who pushed back with the moral/intelligent position. So, yes she was absolutely wrong in a factual and a moral sense.

A few samples:

Good, because this story stinks to high heaven. The mother is way too garrulous and way too calm and the circumstances just seem odd.




This story has a Susan Smith aroma to it.



Police are not ruling anything or anyone out

the mother's account just doesn't smell right.


But of course you know I never suggested she was the trigger person and YOU fucking well

know that you made a broad claim that she had been cleared. Not until I called you on it did you specify "as the triggerperson".

and her daughter being estranged doesn't make her a liar. As a matter of fact, how exactly is the daughter estranged? She's been talking to her mother. That would suggest that they have a relationship. Estrangement doesn't entail a relationship. Speaking of the daughter, Sherry West either neglected her or abused her. And she brought up a son who attempted to murder someone. This woman has a fuck of a lot of ugly history. Doesn't mean she's guilty of being involved in the murder of her younger son, but it is flashing neon light when it comes to investigating her properly. I trust the authorities are doing just that.


OK, it would be a Charles Stuart scenario.

and just how the fuck do YOU fucking know that life insurance on the kid would only cover funeral expenses? You have access to that info? Yeah, sure you do. You just claim to know one thing after another that you couldn't possibly know. I have expressed doubt but I sure haven't made the absurd claims of inside knowledge that YOU keep making. And btw, she had her son cremated and told the funeral home to dispose of the ashes so the cost of that was about as minimal as you can get. (note: cremated people have memorial services too)

In plain language, dearie: You don't have a clue as whether the scenario happened as she claimed- anymore than I do.


cali (78,164 posts)
263. "at this time she is not a suspect"

hardly clearing her.





No, there's no evidence, but it's odd that her daughter is uncomfortable with the story.

The husband's outburst is a bit strange. Doesn't mean she did it, but I'm just not comfortable with the story. I don't think she shot her baby. I think it is not outside the realm of possibility that she hired the kid.




I'd like to add, that it's not hard to read between the lines of the police statement

It sounds like they're not entirely convinced by the mother's account either.



 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
100. but but but the police could be lieing!
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 05:14 PM
Mar 2013

just to throw cali off the scent!

And until xxx number of years go by and the mother is still not convicted, then an apology might be forthcoming. Until then, cali will always be right, in her mind.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
88. The gun was recovered. The younger boy led the cops to it or his aunt did.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:56 PM
Mar 2013

I heard it on our local Atlanta station. Last I heard was there were tests being held on the gun to see if it was used to commit the crime.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
97. The salt-water area may have held one or more guns. Reportedly, they're testing it to see if it is
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 05:05 PM
Mar 2013

"the" gun.

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
112. Police say this was a random crime.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 08:15 PM
Mar 2013

Those feelings that some people claimed to have about the mother that "something wasn't right" didn't amount to a bag of beans.
That poor woman was shot and her baby was murdered in a random crime of violence.

"He says the answer is no. "We're comfortable now, six days into it that the location of the incident and the victim were random," Doering said.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Baby-Murder-New-information/fG9oZ0Vej0CqqU0joCgpsQ.cspx

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
122. I've seen exactly one who begrudgingly admitted they were
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:41 AM
Mar 2013

wrong.

The rest, crickets.

Including the OP.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
123. An apology for this mean spirited OP would...
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:47 AM
Mar 2013

.. now be quite appropriate.

I doubt however, one will be forthcoming.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
126. She should be getting some professional care.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:33 PM
Mar 2013

If she has another child i believe some parenting classes are necessary if she has more kids. I don't think she killed the kid.I just don't think she has any parenting skills. When my daughter died, i almost died. I could not even brush my teeth for days. And it was something that i had been expecting for months. So, i find the way she asked about money repelling, and thought provoking. And she got rid of her kid's stuff. I expect she will have an emotional breakdown soon.

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