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kpete

(71,965 posts)
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 10:44 AM Mar 2013

$59!?!

Incomes for the bottom 90 percent of Americans only grew by $59 on average between 1966 and 2011 (when you adjust those incomes for inflation), according to an analysis by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist David Cay Johnston for Tax Analysts. During the same period, the average income for the top 10 percent of Americans rose by $116,071, Johnston found.

To put that into perspective: if you say the $59 boost is equivalent to one inch, then the incomes of the top 10 percent of Americans rose by 168 feet, Johnston explained to Alternet last week.


more:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/25/income-growth-americans_n_2949309.html
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$59!?! (Original Post) kpete Mar 2013 OP
And I bet... Ron Obvious Mar 2013 #1
K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #2
Houses don't cost thirty thousand bucks anymore, either NBachers Mar 2013 #3
No they don't . zeemike Mar 2013 #14
The house next to my parents went for $30,000. OnyxCollie Mar 2013 #22
Are there a lot of jobs where your parents live? HiPointDem Mar 2013 #35
Not so many OnyxCollie Mar 2013 #39
gas isn't 50cents a gallon, eggs are not 30 a dozen, and most people are working many more than niyad Mar 2013 #28
This is why it's critical that we cut the social safety nets! nt woo me with science Mar 2013 #4
So this is saying that income for most Americans has kept up with inflation since 1966? Incitatus Mar 2013 #5
No, it doesn't seem like it to me either Ron Obvious Mar 2013 #6
and there are two workers per family not just one. rurallib Mar 2013 #8
Two workers, or more, with multiple jobs. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #16
They don't take debt into consideration. woo me with science Mar 2013 #10
It's "the company store". xtraxritical Mar 2013 #17
Income for veterinarians has NEVER kept up with inflation. Hell, I knew that kestrel91316 Mar 2013 #11
I wish you were paid what you are worth! redstatebluegirl Mar 2013 #12
I wish I were, too. Thank you. kestrel91316 Mar 2013 #27
Where I live Vets fees are outrageous and they won't help you without beucoup bucks up front. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #18
I was about to say "same with MDs" but erronis Mar 2013 #20
You know the truth! xtraxritical Mar 2013 #23
What do you consider outrageous? $5 for an exam? kestrel91316 Mar 2013 #26
I have horses and a bunch of pets. Blanks Mar 2013 #29
Same here - I will not complain about my vet bills EVER csziggy Mar 2013 #30
I'm thinking it probably kept up better than income for say, meatpacking workers. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #36
That's not what it's saying. That $59 gain is average for the whole 90% Gormy Cuss Mar 2013 #24
If we're going to speculate here, it also seems likely ... surrealAmerican Mar 2013 #37
Income increasing more rapid than inflation is a great thing. NCTraveler Mar 2013 #7
What's with all the wing-ding "Defenders of the Faith-Based" on HuffPo? HughBeaumont Mar 2013 #9
Thank you, from David Cay Johnston davidcay Mar 2013 #31
No, not my real name, just liked the show growing up. HughBeaumont Mar 2013 #32
Part of the reason is the fall of the soviet bloc and US subversion and balkanization of every HiPointDem Mar 2013 #34
Thank you, for a most important column muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #38
They get the whole pie, we get to fight over the crumbs. This isn't right! Initech Mar 2013 #13
Don't let it trickle down on me and tell me it's raining The Second Stone Mar 2013 #15
Yup!! It's how the oligarchy rolls! hue Mar 2013 #19
Don't let the rulers see this! malthaussen Mar 2013 #21
Shit-for-Brains comes clean. lpbk2713 Mar 2013 #25
KR!! HiPointDem Mar 2013 #33

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
14. No they don't .
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 01:01 PM
Mar 2013

In 1968 I was buying a very modest house and my payments were 52 dollars a month...I drove a VW and gas for it was 28 cents a gallon ...I could fill my bug up even if it were empty for less that 3 bucks...which was what I was making an hour...
How many people now can fill their tank even in a small care for what they make an hour?
Also one worker could support a family...now it takes two.
We have declined significantly in my lifetime.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
22. The house next to my parents went for $30,000.
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 01:45 PM
Mar 2013

Before the mortgage crisis, it was worth about $112,000.

niyad

(113,105 posts)
28. gas isn't 50cents a gallon, eggs are not 30 a dozen, and most people are working many more than
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 04:54 PM
Mar 2013

40 hours a week.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
5. So this is saying that income for most Americans has kept up with inflation since 1966?
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 12:19 PM
Mar 2013

It sure doesn't seem like it.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
6. No, it doesn't seem like it to me either
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 12:23 PM
Mar 2013

That's because essentials like education, housing, healthcare, food & energy have risen far faster than the rate of inflation, while less essential items like electronics & fashion have come down enormously in price and keep that inflation rate low.

Food & energy aren't even included in the core rate of inflation that's used for these inflation-adjusted dollar values.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
11. Income for veterinarians has NEVER kept up with inflation. Hell, I knew that
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 12:50 PM
Mar 2013

when I graduated from vet school in 1982. And it's only gotten worse.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
12. I wish you were paid what you are worth!
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 12:53 PM
Mar 2013

To those of us with famiy members with four paws you and everyone else in your profession are valued beyond measure! Thank you!

erronis

(15,187 posts)
20. I was about to say "same with MDs" but
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 01:35 PM
Mar 2013

I realized that the vets can't blame their increased fees on malpractice insurance, or the cost of meeting onerous regulations, or the time spent filling out insurance forms and battling insurance companies.

What I have seen is a huge increase in very expensive animal facilities that cater to the owners that have pet "emergencies".

We had one poor pooch who suffered from debilitating seizures (too much inbreeding?) and easily went through many thousands$ of treatments before he had to be put down. In earlier times he wouldn't have lasted very long at all and would haven't had suffered for so long. (Mea culpa!)

We're now in a rural state where our new vet is much more minimalist and doesn't need to pay huge amounts for facilities, staff, equipment. Our new animals will have a much better life also.

I believe this is all part and parcel of technologizing our lives - removing the human components and replacing it with hardware/software that has no sense of what's appropriate, and no compassion.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
26. What do you consider outrageous? $5 for an exam?
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 02:25 PM
Mar 2013

Because most folks who bitch about vet fees seem to think that's about what half an hour of my time should cost.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
29. I have horses and a bunch of pets.
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 05:06 PM
Mar 2013

Perhaps it's regional, but I have no complaints about what I pay the vets.

It's a couple hundred bucks to get a horse snipped, but that's the guy driving to my house, administering drugs etc.

I was surprised at how reasonable vets are. I understand that some of them make a lot on small household pets, but when our dog was sick - the vet bill was extremely reasonable.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
30. Same here - I will not complain about my vet bills EVER
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 05:16 PM
Mar 2013

My veterinarian will call me back and discuss a problem without sending me a bill. She will discuss alternatives in treatment and she will take payments from me if I am short. She also will get out of bed at 3 AM and drive the 40 miles to the farm if I have an emergency with a horse. Last year she came out twice on a Sunday afternoon, leaving an event to check on my mare and foal, then returned to put the foal down when we had to admit it was hopeless (dummy foal syndrome, brain damage at birth, couldn't suck or even hold his head up). She didn't charge me for the two trips and her entire office staff signed the sympathy card they sent me.

In return I have her do all my routine vaccinations and de-worming and happily pay her fees though I could save a lot of money by doing those myself. It does two things - she knows my horses and has seen them when they were healthy so when they are sick or injured she can better evaluate them. And it puts me at the top of her response list because I am a good long term client.

The only problem I have is that she will not voluntarily treat cats. She's just not a cat person. So I have to take my cat to a small animal clinic where his routine shots cost more than all my horses put together!

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
24. That's not what it's saying. That $59 gain is average for the whole 90%
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 02:07 PM
Mar 2013

I'm guessing here but a finer cut of that data probably shows that the average is driven by somewhat larger gains in the upper deciles which offset a net loss for the lower deciles. IOW, those making above the median income may be ahead by quite a bit more than $59 while those earning below the median have experienced a net loss in terms of 1966 income.

surrealAmerican

(11,358 posts)
37. If we're going to speculate here, it also seems likely ...
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 08:04 AM
Mar 2013

... that most of those gains were in the first ten years, and perhaps gains in that time period are offsetting losses in more recent years.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. Income increasing more rapid than inflation is a great thing.
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 12:29 PM
Mar 2013

If inflation were measured in a way that captured the true costs of living.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
9. What's with all the wing-ding "Defenders of the Faith-Based" on HuffPo?
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 12:39 PM
Mar 2013

He also found that, on the same scale, the comparative growth in incomes for the 1% of the 1% would be five miles to our one inch. Sorry, but there aren't two sides to every FACT. Friedmanomics and the income disparity that ultimately comes with it is KILLING our progress and corrupting our ability to improve.

davidcay

(22 posts)
31. Thank you, from David Cay Johnston
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 05:27 AM
Mar 2013

Thank you, HughBeaumont (real name or Ward Cleaver reference?), for pointing out that my Tax Analysts column also compared the $59 for each household in the bottom 90% to the top 1 percent (884 feet) and the 1% of the 1% -- almost five miles.

My Tax Analysts column, and graphic I created, are at:

http://www.taxanalysts.com/www/features.nsf/Articles/C52956572546624F85257B1D004DE3FC?OpenDocument

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
32. No, not my real name, just liked the show growing up.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 06:10 AM
Mar 2013

Let it be known that I recommend your books be read by everyone at least twice so all the facts can sink in. Free Lunch, sorry to say, is one of those books that you literally have to put down in some chapters because the reader cannot help but get infuriated at what they just read.

I can't help but think there's got to be a reason that runs deeper as to why we continue to allow these over-the-top advantages the wealthy have that goes beyond our belief in the "Horatio Alger Myth". I'm thinking the lack of universal health care keeps us from taking to the streets. Another could be that corporations are scattered everywhere and uncentralized; convening in Washington puts you at only part of the greater problem?

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
34. Part of the reason is the fall of the soviet bloc and US subversion and balkanization of every
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 06:20 AM
Mar 2013

bloc that's attempted to take an independent course.

Second is the same tactics applied domestically; dissolution or subversion of unions, universities, workplaces -- the traditional 'ground' for organizing -- plus as you say decentralization & globalization of production means if one workplace acts up they can transfer the work elsewhere. The former 'chokepoints' for strikes etc are gone & it's harder to see the new ones.

Third is suppression of labor history and narratives and relentless balkanization along multiple ideological and 'identity' lines.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,272 posts)
38. Thank you, for a most important column
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 08:11 AM
Mar 2013

It's unusual to get a view as long term as that, but very informative - it means it's not just a temporary artefact of the rise and fall of stock market returns, or a single recession. It shows the increase in inequality had been built into the economy for decades.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
15. Don't let it trickle down on me and tell me it's raining
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 01:04 PM
Mar 2013

when the rich get richer and poor get poorer.

lpbk2713

(42,744 posts)
25. Shit-for-Brains comes clean.
Tue Mar 26, 2013, 02:14 PM
Mar 2013






"But ya gotta admit ... I did a real good job of
fuggin up the economy."



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