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While we seniors are being told that we need tow atch our Social Security payments get cut, while schools across the country pink slip teachers, janitors and otehr personnel, Dept of Homeland Security is spending money like a house afire. (Which is rather dangerous, as fire departments are cutting back ont heir personnel also.)
Now this past month, Forbes contributor Ralph Benko has written about some massive purchases of ammunition - over one billion rounds - that DHS is purchasing. Here is the link:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds-of-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/
About "this perplexing outré purchase of ammo, DHS now is showing off its acquisition of heavily armored personnel carriers, repatriated from the Iraqi and Afghani theaters of operation. As observed by paramilblogger Ken Jorgustin last September:
"The Department of Homeland Security is apparently taking delivery (apparently through the Marine Corps Systems Command, Quantico VA, via the manufacturer Navistar Defense LLC) of an undetermined number of the recently retrofitted 2,717 Mine Resistant Protected MaxxPro MRAP vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.
"These MRAPs ARE BEING SEEN ON U.S. STREETS all across America by verified observers with photos, videos, and descriptions.
"Regardless of the exact number of MRAPs being delivered to DHS (and evidently some to POLICE via DHS, as has been observed), why would they need such over-the-top vehicles on U.S. streets to withstand IEDs, mine blasts, and 50 caliber hits to bullet-proof glass? In a war zone
yes, definitely. Lets protect our men and women. On the streets of America
? "
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So here's the thing - a lot of work needs to be done to limit the spending of DHS. DHS was designed during that 'patriotic burst of fervor" seen immediately after Nine Eleven. Remember that fervor? It was the same fervor that tied us into a Six Trillion Dollar war (A new book recently released has the exact figures) and I imagine that at some point over the next five years we will find that DHS has spent a similar amount.
The wars that the Nine Eleven brand of patriotism have tied us to have destroyed the economy. And now there is a tremendous parade of evidence as to how pointless these wars were. But DHS is after the "real terrorists" - you and me. Don't think you could be classified as a terrorist? Well, Rumsfeld and Ashcroft wanted environmental groups and their members put on government watch lists.
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)Can you tell me what color our alert is and would my old duck tape and plastic be okay.
I just stopped looking at those videos and photos of black helicopters and now you got me all worked up again.
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)the $2 billion trip to India. What is this BS doing her? Coming direct to you from Drudge, Free Republic, various survivalists sites--but not yet echoed by Faux news.
But you are right, this is tin foil hat stuff.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)at DU.
They routinely peddle shit dreamed up by the Timothy McVeigh right.
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 26, 2013, 06:07 PM - Edit history (1)
Quite a few Ron Paul cultists joined back in '08 and some are still here...
Someone even posted a Lew Rockwell piece (lalz) earlier today...
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)regurgitated by the paranoid on the left.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ssabullets.asp
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Poop lying on the floor is to cleanliness.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and Sarah Palin.
Congratulations on the fine company you keep.
http://thinkprogress.org/media/2013/03/25/1771591/oops-fox-news-pedals-conspiracy-theory-it-already-debunked/
As Krauthammer explained to Fox News viewers on March 22, Senator Coburn who isnt exactly a liberal said number one the amount of ammunition is less than in previous years. Number two, its about a tenth of the ceiling that the DHS has allowed, he said, adding, that the ammunition is being used for the training of agents like the border security agents who have to go to the range a lot and stay sharp.
ZOB
(151 posts)I believe 15 million rounds per year is probably a pretty good estimate of what would be needed for training.
If they purchased 1.6 billion rounds for training purposes, they've just met their needs for 106 years. That seems a little excessive to me.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)As Krauthammer explained to Fox News viewers on March 22, Senator Coburn who isnt exactly a liberal said number one the amount of ammunition is less than in previous years. Number two, its about a tenth of the ceiling that the DHS has allowed, he said, adding, that the ammunition is being used for the training of agents like the border security agents who have to go to the range a lot and stay sharp
ZOB
(151 posts)...still enough for over 10 years of "practice". Still seems a little extreme to me.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)15 million only covers one facility, the FELC, that it runs for other agencies. It doesn't include all of its other training.
DHS has about 134,000 armed agents, and figures 1000 round per agent per year for training.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Are Hollow point bullets. Rather expensive grade of ammo to use for practice! Like saying you'd rather use mom's top of the line department store china for ammo practice rather than clay pigeons. Something is rotten in Denmark.
Barb Boxer (Sen from Calif "D" used to be on top of things like this - but guess she was transferred out of Military Affairs or whatever committee where she watch dogged stuff like this.
ZOB
(151 posts)That's something I actually support.
spanone
(135,795 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)As Krauthammer explained to Fox News viewers on March 22, Senator Coburn who isnt exactly a liberal said number one the amount of ammunition is less than in previous years. Number two, its about a tenth of the ceiling that the DHS has allowed, he said, adding, that the ammunition is being used for the training of agents like the border security agents who have to go to the range a lot and stay sharp.
http://thinkprogress.org/media/2013/03/25/1771591/oops-fox-news-pedals-conspiracy-theory-it-already-debunked/
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Dollars of our money every two years.
I was watching Nightline - an ABC TV program - the other night before my bedtime. According to that TV show (And it is not run by Drudge!) We have Homeland Security personnel over in the damn Phillipines, making sure that 16 year olds don't work as prostitutes. The Network was very proud to f the fact that this was happening.
Now however glorious a cause that may be for some philanthropic company or person to undertake - with my neighborhood having to watch as its schools are cut back, the fire department is cut back, and now Social Security is under attack, I really don't think we need to have an agency over in the Phillipines hassling bar owners about 16 year olds working in the night life trade. And how exactly does that relate to the war on terrorists?: Is DHS suggesting that these bar owners are terrorists by having young girls work in the sex trades? Maybe we should clean up our own military,w which has recently come under attack for the harassment, sexual abuse and outright rapes that occurring, such that over 20% of our enlisted military women report having been victims of the above!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)buying 1.6 billion rounds of ammo and 2700 tanks?
And, yes, I will have to ask for a link from a person who believe everything Matt Drudge tells him.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)I only used to listen to him because he would make me so mad I didn't have to worry about falling asleep when driving home while tired from working a 48 hour hospice shift with little sleep over those long hours.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Wanna vet it - call them up and ask them.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)when you peddled an outright falsehood peddled by the Timothy McVeigh right about the government.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Oh wait a second - there I am-- spouting another fact I might have gleaned from the far right!
Well here is the damn link for the ABC TV Nightline TV show I mentioned:
http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1302/130228washingtondc.htm
February 28, 2013
Washington, DC
TOP STORY: Work of HSI Manila profiled on ABC's NIGHTLINE
Did you know U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) has 74 offices in 48 foreign countries around the world? HSI attachés part of HSI's Office of International Affairs direct operations and coordinate with local host government and law enforcement counterparts to further HSI investigations.
Did you also know that under U.S. law, U.S. citizens can be apprehended and prosecuted for engaging in sexual acts with minors in foreign countries? HSI is one of the lead federal law enforcement agencies that identifies, investigates and arrests child predators and sexual offenders worldwide a priority investigative area.
This week on ABC's NIGHTLINE, correspondent Alexander Marquardt joined HSI Special Agent (and Deputy Attaché) Eric McLoughlin, as the staff of HSI Manila partners with a non-governmental organization and law enforcement officials in the Philippines to track down and arrest a child predator. The predator just happens to be a U.S. citizen living in the Philippines who is facilitating sexual crimes against numerous minors.
You can watch the nearly 20-minute NIGHTLINE segment here, which aired Feb. 25.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)taxpayer dollars, in my opinion.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Is what we used to call "a card carrying member of the John Birch Society". This right wing woo crap doesn't belong on DU.
Mosby
(16,263 posts)I voted to hide.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,337 posts)DollarBillHines
(1,922 posts)Mill Valley is a pretty rough place, you know.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)I have seen some pretty unhappy people waiting in a long line at a local Starbucks, but nothing that would require a MRAP!
DollarBillHines
(1,922 posts)And Marin County is sharing it with Sonoma County.
Go figure.
Marin paid $370K for it, too.
Here's a video:
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/opinions-mixed-armored-vehicle-marin-023628977.html
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)As a way to ensure that our service people wouldn't be injured by IED's to the extent that they had been being injured when the unshielded Hummers were the only vehicles they had. Now we have them deployed in Marin County?
Jeeez Louise, and apparently reading half the entries at my discussion here, I am a right wing Bircher for even thinking about the expense and the pointlessness of it all. Must remember to preface all remarks at DU with "Homeland Security Uber Alles", or risk being called a RW fanatic!
They cost at least one million bucks a piece!
Mopar151
(9,975 posts)Anybody working on sander or sweeper conversions? How about a "stinger" wheel lift for police towing?
razorman
(1,644 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)It is all for our very own good!