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"You baked cookies? Dude no offense but that's kinda gay" (Original Post) MrScorpio Mar 2013 OP
Mmmmmm, cooookies Hekate Mar 2013 #1
Well, there you go. Ensuring there is no taint of the feminine at all. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #2
Never did learn how to make desserts. Revanchist Mar 2013 #3
My thing IS desserts MrScorpio Mar 2013 #5
Oh, I'm sure I could learn Revanchist Mar 2013 #6
It's both and blessing AND a curse nt MrScorpio Mar 2013 #7
I guess my lard-fried recipes are out, then pinboy3niner Mar 2013 #8
Mmmmmmm, lard abelenkpe Mar 2013 #38
+1 LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #54
yes keroro gunsou Mar 2013 #22
That's okay edhopper Mar 2013 #25
It took me decades nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #41
Much easier than you think malaise Mar 2013 #51
I'm a straight male who cooks and bakes and all that shit pinboy3niner Mar 2013 #4
Stereotypes get the red out Mar 2013 #9
A gay couple who lived across the street used to send over frittattas pinboy3niner Mar 2013 #10
Have you ever noticed the stereotypes in advertising? kentauros Mar 2013 #39
Rednecks and ignorant schmucks say "That's so gay" when they don't like something. Wouldn't say Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2013 #11
I guess you don't know many rednecks. Go Vols Mar 2013 #53
There's nothing gay about baking or cooking. The most celebrated chefs are male. Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #12
I bake all my own bread, three loaves at a time (freeze two). Whole wheat, oatmeal, ground flaxseed Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2013 #13
The only question I have for you is: kentauros Mar 2013 #40
Other clues to ignorance: "dude", "no offense": Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2013 #14
'Dude' can be used in many ways. redqueen Mar 2013 #26
My issue is with the word "Sorry" as in "I'm sorry, but, I feel. blah blah blah"... Javaman Mar 2013 #30
Or the, "I don't mean to be ----, but..." Turborama Mar 2013 #36
I only use WADR for people I do have respect for Turborama Mar 2013 #35
The first text sounds EXACTLY like Doctor Lexus from Idiocracy KurtNYC Mar 2013 #15
Dare you suggest "Consider the source"? Junkdrawer Mar 2013 #19
they both sound annoying... Divine Discontent Mar 2013 #16
I am also a male who does 90% of our baking and meal preparation... Earth_First Mar 2013 #17
My husband is sooo gay! Janecita Mar 2013 #18
yet the highest paid and most vaunted Chefs are men lunatica Mar 2013 #20
What.. sendero Mar 2013 #21
Oh Noes! My last name is Baker! panader0 Mar 2013 #23
Ha!! lmao pnwest Mar 2013 #31
That you're an heir to the Hughes-Baker Oil Tools empire? kentauros Mar 2013 #43
And by "so gay" he means having feminine sufrommich Mar 2013 #24
Yep. A man doing things that are considered 'feminine' is seen as 'lowering' himself ... redqueen Mar 2013 #27
"because my cookies are goddamn delicious" Javaman Mar 2013 #28
+1 Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #42
no cookies for you! next! NuttyFluffers Mar 2013 #29
That's absurd sylvi Mar 2013 #32
If one of my "friends" said that, I'd jack them up. bluedigger Mar 2013 #33
I have a wicked family recipe for homemade ice cream derby378 Mar 2013 #34
My grandfather was a baker abelenkpe Mar 2013 #37
Here's my "so gay" day. Zorra Mar 2013 #44
The response is clever but, fundamentally, I don't like it. Jim Lane Mar 2013 #45
DAMN those cookies look good Skittles Mar 2013 #46
COOO-KEEEZZZZ!! MrScorpio Mar 2013 #47
LOL Skittles Mar 2013 #57
Heh! ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #48
"And said no, this will not do." Prism Mar 2013 #49
Great post malaise Mar 2013 #50
My Dad both cooked and baked HockeyMom Mar 2013 #52
Most women LOVE men who can cook/bake! JNelson6563 Mar 2013 #55
Most ironic use of "gay" in that context: backscatter712 Mar 2013 #56

Hekate

(90,496 posts)
1. Mmmmmm, cooookies
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 04:10 AM
Mar 2013

Midnight and cookies. I want some NOW.

Remind me to teach my grandson to bake cookies next. At 8 he's coming right along in the kitchen.

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
3. Never did learn how to make desserts.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 04:51 AM
Mar 2013

I make a pretty mean spinach lasagna, and over the past two weeks make both chicken and pork adobo, chicken vidaloo, and steak fajitas, but don't ask me to bake a cake, pie or make you some cookies.

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
6. Oh, I'm sure I could learn
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:12 AM
Mar 2013

But I'm chubby enough as it is. I don't need to learn how to make yummies that will make me even bigger.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
41. It took me decades
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 12:00 PM
Mar 2013

But now that I gotta eat gluten free...I do..those are more of a challenge actually

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
4. I'm a straight male who cooks and bakes and all that shit
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:03 AM
Mar 2013

Funny, though. Calling me "gay" wouldn't rile me much. My gay friends are some really great people, and being compared to them would be a compliment.

An ignorant, hateful comment like that may be intended as a slur--but I'd more likely feel sorry for the speaker than get mad. I'd simply jack him or her up in a polite converstion...

get the red out

(13,460 posts)
9. Stereotypes
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:46 AM
Mar 2013

Stereotypes are just ignorance. I worry about a good friend's health because he and his partner hate to cook and eat out all the time.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
10. A gay couple who lived across the street used to send over frittattas
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:58 AM
Mar 2013

My partner at the time wouldn't eat them because she was afraid of catching AIDS. Nothing I said could sway her views.

"Okay," I thought. "More for me."

We soon split up.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
39. Have you ever noticed the stereotypes in advertising?
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 11:55 AM
Mar 2013

I am also a straight male that can cook and bake (pastries, too) and usually roll my eyes at the ads continuing to come out of NY advertising agencies. That is, men don't seem to have one single clue as to what kitchens are for, and yet, they become Master Chefs when it comes to grilling.

I do wonder how often people in those agencies attempt to educate their clients by taking them to some of the fine restaurants in town where men and women are the chefs running things, and hardly just doing backyard grillin'. For that matter, sit 'em down in front of the Food Network for a day!

I do remember a gay friend of mine stating upon his first bite of my Flourless Chocolate Cake that it was better than sex! I hope to make that cake for my GF while she's in town, too. (let me know if you want the recipe)

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,925 posts)
11. Rednecks and ignorant schmucks say "That's so gay" when they don't like something. Wouldn't say
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 06:40 AM
Mar 2013

Rednecks, ignorant schmucks, and many people who really should know better say "That's so gay" when they don't like something.

They wouldn't say "That's so n****r" because they have a little dim awareness of social disapproval.

Any time someone applies a group label to something they consider negative, it is bigotry.

(on edit: second person singular --> third person generic)

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
53. I guess you don't know many rednecks.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:48 PM
Mar 2013

I am one and know many, if any said "that's so gay" the laughter would ensue because of how stupid of a term it is.Some prolly wouldn't know what it meant.

As far as the baking part,I have been doing it since I could reach the kitchen counter,even won a ribbon or two in 4-H as a kid for baking biscuits and something else,was years ago.

So stick your group label shit up your recipe book.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
12. There's nothing gay about baking or cooking. The most celebrated chefs are male.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 06:44 AM
Mar 2013

That person is an idiot.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,925 posts)
13. I bake all my own bread, three loaves at a time (freeze two). Whole wheat, oatmeal, ground flaxseed
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 06:46 AM
Mar 2013

I bake all my own bread, three loaves at a time (freeze two). Whole wheat flour, oatmeal, unbleached white flour, ground flax seed, olive oil, honey or brown sugar, sea salt.

Am I female or male or dog? Does it matter?

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,925 posts)
14. Other clues to ignorance: "dude", "no offense":
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 06:52 AM
Mar 2013

Anytime someone starts a sentence with "Dude, ...", it is not a term of endearment or respect. Just the opposite.

Anytime someone says "no offense", it means they know they are being offensive.

Same thing goes for "with all due respect", which means "with little or no respect".

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
26. 'Dude' can be used in many ways.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 09:52 AM
Mar 2013

So you're completely wrong there. Off topic but I'm sick of the 'dude' is an insult dumbassery.

Javaman

(62,490 posts)
30. My issue is with the word "Sorry" as in "I'm sorry, but, I feel. blah blah blah"...
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:21 AM
Mar 2013

they're not sorry and far from it.

If someone disagrees with something, just say, I disagree.

Thats my spleen venting for today. LOL

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
36. Or the, "I don't mean to be ----, but..."
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:48 AM
Mar 2013

They obviouslly fully intend to be whatever it is they're denying they are going to be (rude, for example) and should just say what they mean without that face palm inducing intro to it.

/vent for me, too. LOL

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
35. I only use WADR for people I do have respect for
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:42 AM
Mar 2013

For me it's like saying, "I normally agree with your opinions but this time I think you've got it wrong."

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
17. I am also a male who does 90% of our baking and meal preparation...
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:20 AM
Mar 2013

I enjoy creating ideas for our meals, I enjoy shopping for the items and I enjoy preparing them.

I hate gender role stereotypes which state who is supposed to do what in the household.

Janecita

(86 posts)
18. My husband is sooo gay!
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:24 AM
Mar 2013

He bakes cookies and brownies with the kids. I really can't stand gender based stereotypes, they drive me crazy

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
20. yet the highest paid and most vaunted Chefs are men
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:32 AM
Mar 2013

Go figure.

Imagine how many homophobes refuse to learn to cook just because they think people will think they're gay.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
21. What..
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:44 AM
Mar 2013

... a well said response. Folks who probably couldn't bake a hot dog should probably refrain from attempting to insult those of us with skills.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
24. And by "so gay" he means having feminine
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 09:47 AM
Mar 2013

characteristics or doing things deemed "woman's work",which is the absolute worst put down you can say to a man according to some. Homophobia and sexism walk hand in hand.

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
27. Yep. A man doing things that are considered 'feminine' is seen as 'lowering' himself ...
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 09:57 AM
Mar 2013

hence the insults.

A woman who does things that are stereotypically considered 'masculine' is often rewarded, or accused of faking it to get attention and approval.

One exception I can think of is being assertive and blunt. Then she's a b.

Sigh.

Javaman

(62,490 posts)
28. "because my cookies are goddamn delicious"
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:07 AM
Mar 2013

Best reply ever!

I love baking all kinds of stuff.

Anyone can throw a slab of meat on a grill and cook it AND you will even eat it if it's under or over cooked!

But not fucking custard from scratch. You under or over cook that crap and damn the people you serve it to will throw it at you.

No one fucks around with desserts.

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
29. no cookies for you! next!
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:13 AM
Mar 2013

my cookies bring all the boys to the yard,
and they're like, "it's better than yours,"
and they're like, "it's better than yours,"
i could teach you, but i'd have to charge!

 

sylvi

(813 posts)
32. That's absurd
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:27 AM
Mar 2013

Not only the pigheaded bigotry of the statement, but also the idea that cooking and baking is somehow inherently "effeminate".

Men have always taken a hand in preparing food. I do it because I love food, and cooking it myself is the only way that guarantees I get it perfectly the way I like it. Plus, it's a great expression of love and caring for others to prepare for them something as personal as the nourishment they are placing in their bodies.

What's better, a home baked cookie or some hockey puck you get out of a Keebler box?

derby378

(30,252 posts)
34. I have a wicked family recipe for homemade ice cream
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:38 AM
Mar 2013

Even made a batch for my county Democratic organization during one of our shindigs. It was rather well-received.

And I crank it by hand. None of these new-fangled electric crankers. How else am I going to work off the ice cream I just ate?

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
37. My grandfather was a baker
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 11:11 AM
Mar 2013

He made the best bread, biscuits, pastries and cookies in Alexandria, VA back in the 1940s and 50s. There was nothing feminine about him.
Have two friends at work who frequently make the most amazing cookies and bring them in for dailies and meetings. Both men.
Heck, my mother has never cooked anything that didn't taste like burned cardboard but my dad? Amazing cook.
The idea that only women have talent in the kitchen is wrong not only in this century but in the past as well.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
44. Here's my "so gay" day.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 12:04 PM
Mar 2013

Today I am making bread, making homemade pasta sauce for tomorrows lasagne, and hooking up a large solar panel to my home.

Making bread requires attention to detail, ingredients must be correct, measurements of ingredients must be exact, the dough must be kneaded to proper consistency, ingredients must be used when they are the correct temperature, the kitchen needs to be kept near 72 degrees, and timing is everything.

Making great pasta sauce is not as detail demanding as making bread; still, the difference between great homemade sauce and generic corporate schlock are the correct ingredients, sauteing certain ingredients together at the proper heat for the proper amount of time, adding ingredients to the saute/sauce in the right order and at the right time, simmering the sauce for hours at the right temperature, and then monitoring frequently after a few hours to remove it from the heat when it is perfect. I prefer to let the sauce sit sealed overnight when it is for lasagne.

It's science, definitely chemistry, but it's also art/craft ~ intuition, feel, knowledge, and experience.

While the sauce is simmering for the first few hours, I plan to wire a solar panel to a charge controller, then wire the solar panel to a battery bank, then run wires through my bedroom wall, from the batteries outside to a 500 watt DC to AC inverter in my bedroom. With this system, I will be power my computer, my audio and video systems, my little music studio, my rehearsal gear, and the lights in my bedroom, at an average cost of pennies per day. (I've had the panel and inverter for 13 years, and the batteries are several years old and normally used to run the DC system in my little motorhome, which I am not using right now, so the point is, all of the aforementioned solar energy related equipment long ago paid for itself, and much more).

I'm LGBT female, and that's gonna be my gay day, some "traditionally girl stuff", some "traditionally boy stuff" ~ lol. I'm not hung up on/by any of that.

There is no "kinda gay" or "so gay" ~

it's all "gay"
.

~

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
45. The response is clever but, fundamentally, I don't like it.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:13 PM
Mar 2013

He's buying into the accuser's idea that he dare not do anything that's not "manly" enough. He defends his actions on the ground that "baking is manly as hell." That concedes the premise that, because he's a man, he's allowed to do only manly things.

Now is it up to the next man to defend the "manliness" of doing origami, or singing in a chorus, or volunteering at the animal shelter, or whatever?

I think a better response would have been:

"So the downside is that I'm doing something that people like you see as 'gay,' meaning feminine or not rough-and-ready badass manliness, and I thereby lose status in your eyes. The upside is that I get to eat these delicious cookies.

"OK, I'm good with that."

Skittles

(153,103 posts)
57. LOL
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 08:17 PM
Mar 2013

f*** - I was cornered by some cute little gals outside of a Kroger and now I am noshing on a couple of boxes of cookies

malaise

(268,557 posts)
50. Great post
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:33 PM
Mar 2013

One of my nephews phoned me for one of my cookie recipes. He loves those cookies and word is his were almost as good as mine.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
52. My Dad both cooked and baked
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:42 PM
Mar 2013

even more than my Mom. Dad was a Longshoreman. Sissy? My Great-Grandpa enlisted in the Civl War at 16 and was wounded. He came back and became a Chef in NYC. He didn't BAKE? My Grandpa, his son, made a mean Brandied Fruitcake, and Dad continued the tradition.

As a female, I can say I inherited my cooking, and baking, skills from the PATERNAL side of my family.

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