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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsShopping for Furniture or Cabinets? Buy Only Items Made of Renewable Woods.
Take a close look at the materials used to make the wooden furniture, hardwood floors and cabinets you buy. That beautiful wood grain may be destroying tropical rainforests. Instead of exotic woods, choose furniture made with renewable hardwoods that are sourced from the US. Maple, Walnut, Oak, Birch, Ash, Hickory, Sycamore, and other domestic hardwoods are renewable resources. Exotic woods with romantic-sounding names almost all come from tropical rainforests that are being clear-cut to supply solid wood and veneers for custom cabinets and furniture. Those woods are often very beautiful, and attractive to buyers, but they're disappearing, because the rainforests are disappearing.
At one time, for example, Mahogany was the most popular hardwood used in furniture. That was during the 18th and 19th centuries. The species of tree that produced that mahogany is now gone. It is virtually extinct. What is called mahogany today is from other rainforest species, because the original wood is unobtainable. Ebony, Grenadilla, Rosewood, and many others have suffered the same fate. Soon, its replacement woods will also be unattainable.
Back in the 1980's I used to design and build woodworking projects for several popular magazines. Early in that career, I made the decision to use only renewable hardwoods for those projects. I could have used anything I wanted, since I never had to pay for the materials I used for those projects, but I recognized the danger that popularizing exotic rainforest hardwoods represented. It took a while to convince the editors of those publications that we should not be designing projects that used such woods, but eventually I succeeded and all of my projects specified domestic, renewable hardwoods.
So, when you're shopping for furniture, hardwood flooring or kitchen cabinets, just say no to woods with exotic-sounding names. Stick with woods that come from US mills and that are renewable. Somewhere, a tree in a rainforest won't be cut down for your pleasure. The effect won't be instantaneous, but it will be real.
Exotic hardwoods are beautiful. There's no question about that. Renewable hardwoods are beautiful, too, in their own way, and that beauty is magnified by not exploiting endangered rainforest species.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)He speaks for the trees.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Buy antique furniture. It was already made long ago, and was made before the problem was recognized. I consider this to be a questionable choice, but at least no more antique furniture is being made, so it's not currently contributing to the problem.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)character and interest.
Some exotic hardwoods are grown on plantations but you have to do your homework.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Personally, I own a few antiques that are made of woods I would not use or choose if I were buying something new. One is a church bench from the 1870s that is made of solid African Mahogany. It is a beautiful piece, and made of a wood that is no longer available. I found it at a church rummage sale, where the church was selling it because it was old and somewhat worn. The price was too low to even think about skipping.
You're right about plantation growing of some exotics. The problem for consumers is that it's very difficult to know whether the piece you are buying is made of such wood. If it is advertised as being from a sustainable, managed source, then that would be OK. But, you're not going to find that at the average furniture store, sadly.
The Gibson Guitar company found itself in hot water for using ebony and other exotic woods that were not produced in accordance with laws prohibiting the import of those woods. In fact, it hid the fact that they were illegal. Bad business.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)you're guaranteed to have something that won't become 'dated' as much contemporary furniture is.
Our midcentury credenza and side table will never be out of style, like your church bench never will be.
We obsessively research every piece of furniture--living in a 1000 square foot apartment forces that.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)for far less money than a brand new piece of furniture. Many years ago, my parents built a new house on their citrus farm. My mother pretty much tossed all of her old furniture and bought new stuff to replace it. It was a new house, after all. We were talking about a dining room set for the house, and she was complaining about how shoddy most of the stuff was she was seeing in the furniture stores and how expensive.
So, I took her on a shopping trip to several antique shops. She found a beautiful oak dining table with two extension leaves and 8 chairs at one of the shops. I'd estimate it to have been made in the 1920s. The top of the table was book matched quarter sawn solid oak. Spectacular looking. When she saw the price being asked for it, she was just floored. It was less than a similar-sized set she had looked at, that had a veneered top and molded features made of wood paste. So, that's in her house, instead of some cheap crap.
I love vintage and antique furniture. We just got a terrific-looking Sheraton-style highboy dresser reproduction made in the 1920s. All solid walnut, with dovetailed drawers, etc. The finish is a little rough, but I'll refinish it with the same materials used when it was made. Beautiful. $50 at an estate sale.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)always a chance you'll get something worth a LOT more money than you paid for it.
ALWAYS check out a piece of vintage furniture for stamps indicating who the manufacturer is, where it was made, etc. Our credenza is worth, conservatively, 5 times what we paid for it because it's from a noted designer from that era.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)I've found them on the undersides of drawers and other places where you wouldn't think to look. I haven't found a label on that highboy, though. I'm still looking. It's a nice piece. Out of style, of course, today, but who cares. My house has no theme at all. My wife's dresser is pure 1960's Danish Modern. I also have a yellow pine dresser from about 1890 that I love. All three are in our master bedroom. Mix and match.
superpatriotman
(6,247 posts)Who is it by?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)superpatriotman
(6,247 posts)An admirer. MCM is my porn.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Edmond J Spence (Swedish collection)
superpatriotman
(6,247 posts)Try buying furniture like His new. It is unbelievably expensive, and nowhere close to the same quality. Thanks for sharing!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)We have this piece with the original two-toned cherry veneer:
with a single matching nightstand like this:
superpatriotman
(6,247 posts)I was trying to draw a simile to modern workmanship. Studio furniture, certainly, could mimic it, but could not match it for style. Your pieces are treasures!
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)It was a textbook for HS woodshop in the 60s. It has a large fold-out with a couple hundred sample chips of actual veneers. When I take it out today, it is astonishing how many woods that used to be commonplace simply aren't available anymore.
I'm a big fan of recovered lumber, harvesting wood from sunken logs, old buildings etc. Interesting bit of carpenter trivia: In George Lucas' house, most of the finish woodwork was done with wood reclaimed from an old railroad trestle bridge.
Bamboo is one of the best renewable woods around, and if industrial hemp becomes available on a wide scale, we may never have to kill another tree. (that last part was hyperbole in case I needed to explain that)
A whole bunch of furniture and cabinets made today are from manufactured lumber, chipboard, plywood, MDF (Medium Density Fiber) and very thin veneers.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)possession of mine. And you're right...many of those woods are no longer available. They're gone. In some cases, the species is extinct.
I like recovered wood and reclaimed wood. It's not typical, though, to find exotics that way. I had some redwood timbers from the Giant Sequoia species. They came from an old barn. Huge, thick timbers over 100 years old. I had them resawn into planking that I used to panel the living room of my home in California. Nothing like that wood will ever be available as new material, and it's a good thing, too.
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)Real California Redwood. Palomar College (a bit north of San Diego) has one of the best woodworking programs in the country with their own sawmill and kilns. They also have what they call their urban forestry program where the school gets first pick from any trees that are taken down for construction, fire prevention disease, whatever. I happened to be taking finish carpentry & millwork when a nice big piece of RCR came available.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)of clear redwood, and incorporated a salvaged stained glass window in it. It turned out beautifully. I used contrasting birch pegs to assemble the door. Fun times.
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)But is really fiberglass.
It is surprisingly noisy as it expands and contracts from the temperature changes...something I didn't anticipate, and it a bit startling at first. The dogs bark, thinking there is someone knocking.
JVS
(61,935 posts)genetic engineering to bring back some old woods or create new woods.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)There's too long a period before the result could be harvested. The reality is that those trees that are no longer available as wood still exist, but not in numbers large enough to harvest. They could still be planted from seed or cloned, but the growing time for those rainforest hardwoods is simply too long to make that a proposition anyone is much interested in.
There's one exception, though. Grenadilla or African Blackwood, as it is often called, is an essential material for professional grade oboes and clarinets. That wood is now being plantation grown, since there is really no substitute for it, and the end products are very expensive.
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)bamboo floor in our kitchen. Best floor in the house by far. Love it!
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)infinitely renewable. It's not my favorite look, but it makes great flooring.
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)Hubby and I laid it ourselves, which helped with the cost. We chose a darker bamboo (sort of in the walnut family of color) and it looks fantastic. We couldn't afford new cabinets (our kitchen has 18 cabinet doors!!! plus the island). We went over all the cabinets, doors and trim work with turpentine and stained with a clear gloss and they match the floor beautifully. Used colored concrete on the counters and island and tile for backsplash. I love our kitchen!
Since it is so durable, we will never have to replace again.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)is the key to affordable remodeling. I must say, though, that I hate laying floors. At 67, I'm just too damned old to do it. I redid our living room floor with engineered wood flooring. I could hardly walk for two days afterward. Too much getting up and down for my old knees.
I like the concrete counters idea. I'm redoing our kitchen this year, but I'm probably going to go with a tile counter and backsplash. Light-colored tiles and dark grout. Grouting can be an issue with kitchen counters, so you might as well start with a dark color. The grout will be dark soon enough, no matter what you do. Our cabinet doors are pretty beat up, so I think I'll just make a new set of doors and completely repaint the cabinet framework after dealing with dents and dings. Birch plywood is great, so I can make all 18 doors fairly quickly. Primer and paint and you're done.
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)NO MORE FLOORS! lol!
The concrete counters were time consuming to mix, color, build forms, pour, etc. but Hubby is an Engineer and builds bridges. We thought the counters would be a piece of cake. lol! They are gorgeous. No joints, no lines, very durable and easy to clean.
The cabinets were custom built in the house when it was built in the early 80's so you can imagine how durable and sturdy those things are. A bit of cleaning up and new hardware is all it needed anyway.
Our bathroom floor was tiled last year. I was worried at the time that the grout was going to be way to dark for the color of the tile. I knew it would darken after drying so I actually argued (a little) with hubby that we should go lighter. Glad he didn't listen to me. The darker grout really ties it together better and hopefully doesn't show up foot traffic as much.
Painted cabinets in the kitchen always brings brightness into the room. Hope it works out for you.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)I can picture an exposed aggregate surface that would be pretty nice. Hmm...
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)There are so many types of counters now made of concrete, or you can pour yourself with the exposed agg. Ours doesn't have exposed agg but is not smooth either. It has minor swirls, feather strokes (I call them, lol) and other imperfections but looks great.
The exposed aggregate would look great, also. A friend did an outside bar top that way. Looks awesome!
When we looked, I was amazed at what you could get. Colored concrete frames that fit over your existing counters, concrete slabs you could cut to size, and so on.
Look around and you may change your mind from tile.
Also, sorry to get your thread off track from exotic wood.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Yes, the plantations are in former tropical rain forests, but they were already clear-cut when the plantation started.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)First, the species is not native to the places where those plantations are, and Swietenia is truly an invasive species that can overwhelm local plants. It can't be grown for harvesting in its original locations, due to legal restrictions. So, introduction of an invasive species can be a real issue.
Teak has similar issues. Most commercial teak growing operations are in Central America, not in the Asian countries where the Tectona species are native. Again, introduction of a non-native tree is a real issue. Simply growing exotics in new locations is hardly a solution, and presents a whole new set of issues.
Progressive dog
(6,900 posts)But not the mahogany that used to be the most popular furniture wood, (Cuban or Spanish mahogany). It is now plantation grown in S.E.Asia where it becomes coarser grained according to Wikipedia, but not sure i it can be bought in U.S.
A fair amount of recycled Cuban mahogany is still available from wood suppliers.
patrice
(47,992 posts)MineralMan
(146,286 posts)in the title, for lack of space.
patrice
(47,992 posts)"printed" very realistically.
Just contemplating a hard-wood floor makes me sick to my stomach.
Wondering where hemp is in this market. There are hemp rugs and I assume carpets, but I have not found hemp flooring. Do you think maybe that's because hemp is too precious for other kinds of markets just yet? Maybe with more development there will be hemp flooring too. Or maybe it isn't suitable for flooring?
Mopar151
(9,978 posts)I was visiting backalong, and Doug showed me the new cherry floor in his dining room, that used to be the neighbor's tree.
http://mooressawmill.com/main.html
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Craftsman-inspired, it shows off the material and puts function ahead of details. My favorite design concept, along with Shaker-style designs. Functional design leads to beautiful furniture.
patrice
(47,992 posts)Mopar151
(9,978 posts)The Moores use an interesting mix of technology to accomidate the reality of salvaged wood - they use a metal detector to check for nails, fence wire, and the like. Their big saws use old school steel inserted teeth instead of the now ubiquitous tungsten carbide, as they handle metal and dirt a lot better.
Much of the wood they saw would go for firewood/wood chip fuel otherwise. But their small scale and vertical integration lets them work around defects , crooked trees and very small mill runs. Unfortunately, they had a fire in the loft which held their "varietal" woods a few years ago, but I'm sure they are tucking away what they can.
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)Is that as large as it looks? Would make a great island in the kitchen if so. Lots of other things, too; but that is what I first thought of. Probably cause we just finished the kitchen! lol!
Orrex
(63,199 posts)They make extensive use of illegally and non-sustainably harvested lumber.
As if you needed another excuse not to buy their shitty looking labor-outsourced furniture.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)I am partial to light-colored woods.. I loathed those yellow-y highly grained oak ones I had for THIRTY TWO years
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)House was built in 1965 with oak flooring that we had refinished - again, beautiful.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)But now if I needed a specific piece of furniture (for instance, we really need a pair of bedside tables and I haven't found any antique or vintage ones I like) I would consider contacting one of the local craftsmen that buy trees felled locally. One came and salvaged the cherry tree we recently had to cut out of a pasture and is eager to have access to any other trees we cut. He makes all kinds of things from the wood he gets, so he might be able to make furniture for me from wood taken off our farm.
The problem is we already have pretty much all the furniture we need and I will probably inherit more furniture. So custom furniture is not something I am likely to need.
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