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Time Magazine (without comment) (Original Post) brooklynite Mar 2013 OP
SCOTUS pisses me off (again) socialindependocrat Mar 2013 #1
Ow. WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #2
Yeah. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #3
It speaks to a much, much larger problem, though. Occulus Mar 2013 #22
Do we dare ask, "Where do we go from here?". nm rhett o rick Mar 2013 #25
Happened around the same time they stopped using the terms Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #30
American consumer is more inclusive that citizen. beyurslf Mar 2013 #38
They still teach Civics Nitram Mar 2013 #36
LOL! Uhh, You Need To Crack Open A Civics Book Skraxx Mar 2013 #4
I'm not misinformed - I'm uninformed socialindependocrat Mar 2013 #19
See Hue in post #6 - This is what confuses me socialindependocrat Mar 2013 #20
The guy even capitalized "him" when referring to Obama Occulus Mar 2013 #23
Drop the instant gratification wishes. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #7
^ THIS ^ mac56 Mar 2013 #11
Eek. Time for a basic civics review. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2013 #10
Thanks though for explaining that tavalon Mar 2013 #12
Thank you for your guidance socialindependocrat Mar 2013 #18
My conservative grandmother's going to shit her pants when this arrives... bobclark86 Mar 2013 #5
If Pres. Obama comes out definitvely against DOMA Scotus would be obliged to swing against Him, hue Mar 2013 #6
Kennedy's vote, the one that matters, won't be moved either way by Obama dsc Mar 2013 #15
"Obama: DOMA Unconstitutional, DOJ Should Stop Defending In Court" muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #29
There will either be smiles or explosion of heads out there We People Mar 2013 #8
Here we go.. now Cha Mar 2013 #9
"gop hypocritical shite" Occulus Mar 2013 #24
Clinton apologized and the gop are the ones trying to make sure Cha Mar 2013 #26
Missing the point Roy Rolling Mar 2013 #13
Where do you get "kissing and sex"? brooklynite Mar 2013 #16
They should have had two attractive gay people doing taxes. mathematic Mar 2013 #17
LOL Roy Rolling Mar 2013 #21
... Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #14
Wow, first time I've seen that one... I love it! mountain grammy Mar 2013 #37
k&r n/t krispos42 Mar 2013 #27
That made my day. Thanks! William769 Mar 2013 #28
Did I miss something...or is this really going to print ? Jonathan Capehart Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2013 #31
TIME still prints...it was NEWSWEEK that went al-digital. brooklynite Mar 2013 #32
thanks. I did actually check - before I asked but not enough coffee to read it right ! nt Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2013 #33
Oh man....just broke 15,000 posts. Have a great day Brooklynite !!! Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2013 #34
k&r nt steve2470 Mar 2013 #35
Same with cannabis legalization. tridim Mar 2013 #39

socialindependocrat

(1,372 posts)
1. SCOTUS pisses me off (again)
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:17 PM
Mar 2013

Why don't they just say - From where we sit the DOMA is or isn't constitutional.

Why all the well, the president should - but he didn't

Do you think it would be too much to ask the Pres and SCOTUS have lunch
and they agree on who should decide the case? No discussing issues, just
agree on who should make the ruling.

Then.... DO IT!

The chief justice could even call the Pres and say - We think it's your call.

I think they have gone too far into the procedural ether.
They got so smart they turned stupid!

Occulus

(20,599 posts)
22. It speaks to a much, much larger problem, though.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:56 PM
Mar 2013

We no longer even bother to teach civics. It's lumped into this thing called 'social studies' and taught alongside several unrelated subjects. We did the same with "English", terming it 'language arts' at apparently the same time we starting calling "Personnel" 'human resources'.

My time frames may be way off, but you do have to admit a certain pattern of framing...

 

Paul E Ester

(952 posts)
30. Happened around the same time they stopped using the terms
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 06:07 AM
Mar 2013

American citizen, replaced with the term the American consumer. I think I noticed it the most with Brian Williams but I think it started before then.

beyurslf

(6,755 posts)
38. American consumer is more inclusive that citizen.
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 10:08 AM
Mar 2013

I have many friends who have lived here a very long time who are not "citizens" yet but who work, pay taxes, and contribute to our society in great and beneficial ways.

Skraxx

(2,964 posts)
4. LOL! Uhh, You Need To Crack Open A Civics Book
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:39 PM
Mar 2013

You're just a wee bit mis-informed their pal. Really, tone it down until you do some reasearch about separation of powers and the role of the USSC.

socialindependocrat

(1,372 posts)
19. I'm not misinformed - I'm uninformed
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:28 PM
Mar 2013

I thought I heard someone say that the SCOTUS was weaseling so the Pres would make a decision

It was splained on down the line (here).

Sorry to all. While you were studying Civics and political science
I was studying chemistry and physics.

socialindependocrat

(1,372 posts)
20. See Hue in post #6 - This is what confuses me
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:37 PM
Mar 2013

6. If Pres. Obama comes out definitvely against DOMA Scotus would be obliged to swing against Him,

So what role does the Pres. play if SCOTUS has the ball.

The pres. has no power but what he says has an effect on things?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
7. Drop the instant gratification wishes.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:58 PM
Mar 2013

If they fuck this up even a tiny bit...

The repercussions are lasting and incredibly damaging to individual people. Let them do their thing. We can afford no fuckups on civil rights issues. Every single word in the majority opinion has meaning and impact. It has to be right.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,267 posts)
10. Eek. Time for a basic civics review.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 03:05 PM
Mar 2013

The president has no power with respect to lawmaking other than to sign or veto a bill. The Congress makes the laws. The Supreme Court decides whether they are constitutional. The president can't just have lunch with the justices and they decide "who makes the call" - this would violate the constitutional principle of separation of powers.

Civics 101: Each of the three branches of government (executive - the President; legislative - Congress; and judicial - the courts) have specific powers. They are not to interfere or merge with each other, but only to check and balance.

In other words, a law enacted by Congress and signed by a President - in this case, DOMA - is valid unless and until it is either declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court or repealed by a later Congress.

That's the way the system works. There is no "agreeing on who should decide the case." It belongs to the Supreme Court at this point.

I am often amazed at how confused a lot of people are about how our government is set up. It doesn't always work as well as it should, but there some basic principles and we should all try to learn what they are.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
12. Thanks though for explaining that
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 03:46 PM
Mar 2013

There are plenty of people everywhere who didn't keep their boring civics class in their heads. I doubt I would have if not for schoolhouse rock and that wasn't complete. When I became obsessed with politics, then I learned but I was almost 40 by then.

socialindependocrat

(1,372 posts)
18. Thank you for your guidance
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:22 PM
Mar 2013

I had heard on TV that the SCOTUS wished that the Pres would make a decision instead of them.

My thought was to simplify the situation.
Is it a conflict for two parties to decide who should make the decision
without deciding or discussing what the decision should be?

I see your note about repeal by a later congress.
I guess I have to listen more closely about who's saying what.

Well, thanks for taking the time to explain.

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
5. My conservative grandmother's going to shit her pants when this arrives...
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:42 PM
Mar 2013

However, grandpa might like the girl cover (eh, he's in his '80s, I'll let him have that).

hue

(4,949 posts)
6. If Pres. Obama comes out definitvely against DOMA Scotus would be obliged to swing against Him,
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:56 PM
Mar 2013

just because the conservative judges must oppose our President. This is a game in which it is prob. wiser for President Obama to leave the ball in SCOTUS's court. He knows they (SCOTUS) will suffer the consequences if they go so strongly against public opinion/mandate.

dsc

(52,129 posts)
15. Kennedy's vote, the one that matters, won't be moved either way by Obama
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 04:29 PM
Mar 2013

Kennedy will likely be the decisive vote and his philosophy on gay issues predates Obama.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,146 posts)
29. "Obama: DOMA Unconstitutional, DOJ Should Stop Defending In Court"
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 05:57 AM
Mar 2013
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/23/obama-doma-unconstitutional_n_827134.html

That was 2 years ago. In an official letter to the Speaker of the House. How much more 'definitive' do you think he can get?

We People

(619 posts)
8. There will either be smiles or explosion of heads out there
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:58 PM
Mar 2013

A visceral involuntary reaction from the RW.

Maybe their Tallking Heads will become their Exploding Heads.

Cha

(295,899 posts)
9. Here we go.. now
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 03:03 PM
Mar 2013

Scotus needs to get on board and strike down that stupid gop hypocritical shite, doma.

Occulus

(20,599 posts)
24. "gop hypocritical shite"
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 11:01 PM
Mar 2013

Clinton passed it.

Don't you hate it when the mask slips a bit and people notice what's under it?

Because I just did.

Roy Rolling

(6,853 posts)
13. Missing the point
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 03:54 PM
Mar 2013

The characterization of marriage, either hetero or gay, by kissing and sex misses the point. There is a lot more to marriage than sex, and marriages that are based on sex are finished once the sex gets monotonous.

So if gay marriage wants to fail the same way that straight marriage (over 50% divorce rate), then continue to emphasize only sex and ignore the rest of responsibilities that come with marriage.

It would be like celebrating the success of the Civil Rights movement of the '60s only with pictures of blacks and whites kissing and legal marriage but ignoring the real advances like the right to vote, be employed, be educated equally, and associate freely within society. Just sayin' . . .

brooklynite

(93,834 posts)
16. Where do you get "kissing and sex"?
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:17 PM
Mar 2013

There's definitely kissing, which I recall is a sign of affection, love, celebration etc. I understand people even do it at weddings...

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
31. Did I miss something...or is this really going to print ? Jonathan Capehart
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 06:29 AM
Mar 2013

asked about print copy to a Time rep.. and I thought..wow, doesn't he know they don't print anymore?

or...is this a special issue.

Anyway you look at it...it's still a great thing

tridim

(45,358 posts)
39. Same with cannabis legalization.
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 10:59 AM
Mar 2013

The two issues obviously aren't equal, but both are similar.

Culture is moving forward with or without DC.

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