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The tween asked a Minnesota House Committee: "Which parent do I not need: My mom or my dad?"BY KATIE MCDONOUGH
There have been so many moving, pro-marriage equality testimonies from the children of gay parents (Zach Wahls and Daniel Leffew come immediately to mind), that it was only a matter of time before opponents of equal rights came out with their own.
Earlier this month, an 11-year-old girl testified against a same-sex marriage bill being debated by the Minnesota House Committee on Civil Law. (The measure has since passed, and now awaits a full legislative vote.)
In the video, a cute, soft-spoken girl tells the committee that they should not allow gay couples to get married because: I know that everyone deserves to have a mom and a dad and that her mom teaches her things about being a girl like being gentle and beautiful and how to one day become a wife and mother.
After pausing to smile sweetly at the cameras, the girl implies that extending equal rights to other families would take away one of her parents, asking (twice, for emphasis): I know some disagree, but I want to ask you this question: Which parent do I not need: my mom or my dad?
The video is sad and will probably make you feel terrible. You can watch it here:
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/28/an_11_year_old_girl_speaks_out_against_gay_marriage/
Brother Buzz
(36,416 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)bluestate10
(10,942 posts)speech 7 years from now, or she may look back and regret every word she spoke, in addition to rejecting her parents.
Apophis
(1,407 posts)Dash87
(3,220 posts)She doesn't actually have true political views yet.
Apophis
(1,407 posts)I take it you play Oblivion and/or Skyrim?
Dash87
(3,220 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)and then she is going to feel really bad about what she did.
Shame on her parents.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)that gender is biological.
This video is shameful. Shameful on the parents who taught her this crap, and then allowed her to become a bigoted voice.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Initech
(100,063 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)She's spouting off about all the gender roles we feminazis have been fighting all my life. Bleh! Like role playing has anything to do with intelligence or ability.
She'll be the good little wife too someday, unless she grows up and realizes she's a lot more than what her daddy tells her she is.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)herself by going to the other extreme like many other stage managed children did and are still doing.
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)and is no longer opposed to gay marriage, like that little Republican who was the star of the GOP circuit for a while and is now a liberal.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Taught that believing that someone else's gay family will force her to choose between her parents.I hope she escapes her plight someday.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)Of course, she could be any cut of fundie.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)and I turned out gay and my dad physically and emotionally abused me. I wouldn't be the person I am today without him but it could be argued I'd be a better person today had he not been in my life. I even knew that at age 11. I can even tell you how I knew that, I constantly asked my mom why we had to stay with him.
And kids who come from single parents homes? Does she see them as lesser children than her? I'm guessing she does 'cause it's much more important to her parents to have a traditional mom and dad unit then it is to have a loving home from 2 individuals who may happen to be the same gender.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)She doesn't even know if she knows any gay people. All she knows is what her parents tell her. She only 11 years old! How knowledgeable can she be?
Unfortunately she has had her head stuffed with her parent's nasty sex opinions. She should barely even be thinking about it at her age. If she hasn't gone through puberty she would be thinking about dolls still, not perverted visions her parents have put in her head.
Poor child.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)is all about gender. That one (or two), you can toss.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)heterosexual marriage by getting gay married.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)They're welcome to it.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)that didn't come out clearly.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)That is the parent you do not need.
Geez, who gave this kid the idea that marriage equality would change her family in any way? She will still have the family she has now. smh
timdog44
(1,388 posts)So in that vein maybe both should be taken away. This borders on child neglect. Neglecting the rightful normal aging of a child. She should be reading age appropriate books, playing outside with her friends, maybe jumping rope, playing sports, not being forced into political situations that she does not have the background yet to formulate opinions such as these. She needs to be with a loving family in Minnesota and her parents sent to Kansas.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)You never know if they are speaking their own mind or if they are voicing their parents' opinions.
reflection
(6,286 posts)She will probably get it one day, and be mortified. But the damage will be done. And in the age of the Internet, she will never be able to scrub this stain off her name.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)If she turns 16 or 17 and is still speaking the same garbage, then I say blame her. But give an 11 year old child some slack.
surrealAmerican
(11,360 posts)... form an eleven-year-old with two dads or two moms saying, "which parent do I not need?"
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)When you work with kids and they do and say bad things that could only come from the adults in their life there's a saying, "Your parent is showing" or "Your parents are showing".
Well, kid, your parents are showing. Seems to me you could do without both since they're teaching you to hate.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Look at proud Papa, he is so excited he can't stop himself from mouthing the speech he wrote for her!! I watched it 3 times in slow motion. After it becomes obvious what he is doing, the camera hones in on the girl and cuts him out of the footage.
So actually Solly her parent is LITERALLY showing!
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)We know who wrote that speech. I suspected. Now I know.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)What a fucking asshole.
a kennedy
(29,647 posts)little tool.
patrice
(47,992 posts)This little girl may or may not have CHOSEN to be "gentle and beautiful". This little girl may or may not have CHOSEN to be a "wife and mother" ... we'll never know how she would have chosen had she not been programmed by certain kinds of parents. Just because these particular parents are programming for that specific outcome, does that mean that outcome CANNOT be chosen otherwise, that it cannot be chosen under OTHER conditions? No it doesn't. Not ALL parents program their children to live the lives that parents define for them.
However this girl might have decided, to those who oppose the Civil Rights of our LGBT brothers and sisters, the question that I just posed is ir-relevant: the girl has a uterus and that's THEIR business, NOT hers. And it's so much their business that they act to multiply that business by inflating it into the business of the STATE, i.e. government.
It's interesting that other types of biologies are NOT afforded this kind of POLITICAL power. Government intrusion into our private lives is only acceptable when we conform to the accepted biology. What about those who can't? or won't?
These assumptions extend not only to LGBT sexual identities, but also to variations in "conventional" sexual roles. Are variations, the results of variations in biology and/or context, NOT permitted? If we are to assume responsibility for our own lives, who is the best determiner of an individual's commitment to a given variation? Even if you make a valid and reliable case for traditional sexual parent roles, would those be best, most functionally for that end, best served by government defining them?
The happiest children, women, men, families, and singles are best served by the most freedom possible for the most people possible.
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Hong Kong Cavalier
(4,572 posts)Her argument is solely based on the most fucked up, ludicrous, full-of-bullshit emotional appeal I've ever heard against marriage equality.
I don't feel terrible for listening to that. I can only shake my head.
Oh, and the answer to her question is: "Whichever one is shoveling that bullshit into your mind."
Not that I'm really advocating taking away either of her parents. I'm just...angry that this kind of crap is put forth as a legitimate argument against marriage equality.
nolabear
(41,959 posts)She's got a perfectly natural outlook for an immature kid with immature thought processes. Someday if she's lucky she'll be able to think more deeply and with more empathy. But bwing used like this doesn't help that process. I wish her luck.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...stop them from raising those kids with their partner? That's what confuses me. Last I looked, one didn't have to be married to have kids and raise 'em--and raise them with whichever partner one picks.
I get so tired of this stupid non-argument.
JI7
(89,247 posts)what if the girl with the 2 dads is more beautiful than her and gets more attention ?
what is her mom going to tell her then ?
Arcanetrance
(2,670 posts)But what about all the people who for one reason or another don't have one of those. They grow up just fine I'm one of those people. It was actually worse when my mom and dad were together.
marmar
(77,073 posts)nt
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Isn't that sweet.
watch the sky
(129 posts)and anyways, what would some 11-year-old know about marriage? The topic isn't child custody.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Jeezus, thats a new one.
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)She didn't say all that on her own. Shame on her parents!!
We can hope she will grow up and see how wrong they are as several generations before her have done.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)He is mouthing the speech her wrote for her!
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)Both, I blame them both. I just hope she grows up and out.
displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)love_katz
(2,578 posts)1. Kids tend to parrot the beliefs of their parents, until they become old enough to think for themselves. Eleven years old...naw...not old enough.
2. Stereotyping about what is acceptable as destiny for females - we have to be gentle and sweet? And, grow up to be wives and mothers? Congrats on the brainwashing there, fundy parents. Like the world really NEEDS more breeding by humans?
3. Gay parents raising kids are depriving their children of...what...more brainwashing?
Complete FAIL homophobes.
gtar100
(4,192 posts)experience. But note that these children aren't saying that their situation is the only acceptable one like this little girl here is doing. She is not coming from a place of experience which would give her mind understanding at her age. Instead, she is condemning others for a situation she knows nothing about. I hope she has a chance to meet other kids her age who have gay parents. It might bring her back to reality. All the shame lies with the parents for putting bigoted words in her mouth.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)taking back and regretting what she said. It happens with almost every kid the right manipulates into being their "spokeskid".