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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:17 PM Mar 2013

An 11-year-old girl speaks out against gay marriage

The tween asked a Minnesota House Committee: "Which parent do I not need: My mom or my dad?"
BY KATIE MCDONOUGH


There have been so many moving, pro-marriage equality testimonies from the children of gay parents (Zach Wahls and Daniel Leffew come immediately to mind), that it was only a matter of time before opponents of equal rights came out with their own.

Earlier this month, an 11-year-old girl testified against a same-sex marriage bill being debated by the Minnesota House Committee on Civil Law. (The measure has since passed, and now awaits a full legislative vote.)

In the video, a cute, soft-spoken girl tells the committee that they should not allow gay couples to get married because: “I know that everyone deserves to have a mom and a dad” and that her mom teaches her things “about being a girl” like being “gentle and beautiful” and how to one day “become a wife and mother.”

After pausing to smile sweetly at the cameras, the girl implies that extending equal rights to other families would take away one of her parents, asking (twice, for emphasis): “I know some disagree, but I want to ask you this question: Which parent do I not need: my mom or my dad?”

The video is sad and will probably make you feel terrible. You can watch it here:



http://www.salon.com/2013/03/28/an_11_year_old_girl_speaks_out_against_gay_marriage/
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An 11-year-old girl speaks out against gay marriage (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2013 OP
Cute little tool Brother Buzz Mar 2013 #1
To be fair, her parents/pastor probably had to coach the speech word-for-word... Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #32
Wait until she can think for herself to judge her. She may look back with pride on her bluestate10 Mar 2013 #40
She's going to grow up and become the next Michele Bachmann. Apophis Mar 2013 #2
Not necessarily. She's a parrot at this point. Dash87 Mar 2013 #22
I like your "about you" section on your profile. Apophis Mar 2013 #33
Sure do. lol Dash87 Mar 2013 #49
She is going to grow up and get away from her bigotted upbringing Marrah_G Mar 2013 #3
You have people on DU who think boston bean Mar 2013 #4
+1. Her parents should be ashamed of themselves. n/t Gormy Cuss Mar 2013 #27
Bigotry: start 'em young. Initech Mar 2013 #5
I see a purity ball in her future.. snooper2 Mar 2013 #6
I'm afraid I do too. lunatica Mar 2013 #11
I just hope that when, if she rejects her parents hateful views, she doesn't destroy bluestate10 Mar 2013 #42
in a few years we'll hear about how she's changed her mind BainsBane Mar 2013 #7
Fundamentalist Christian home schooled no doubt. sufrommich Mar 2013 #8
My guess is LDS. sadbear Mar 2013 #9
Yep, she loves her Mom and Dad and Mom and Mom and Mom NightWatcher Mar 2013 #26
So, I had a mom and a dad justiceischeap Mar 2013 #10
Give her a few hours with you and she'll change her mind. lunatica Mar 2013 #13
Whichever parent planted the brain-dead idea in your head that parenting winter is coming Mar 2013 #12
So...uh...who is it that is coming to take away 1 of her parents? Nt xchrom Mar 2013 #14
The same people who are going to destroy your sufrommich Mar 2013 #15
As soon as some one finds a hetero marriage in my life xchrom Mar 2013 #17
I meant "your" in the generic sense. Sorry if sufrommich Mar 2013 #18
Whichever parent taught you that marriage equality would take away either of your parents. Jamastiene Mar 2013 #16
I would guess she was taught that by both parents. timdog44 Mar 2013 #35
I've always felt that kids should stay out of these public debates.... cynatnite Mar 2013 #19
I hold almost none of the views I had at 11. reflection Mar 2013 #20
Someone that young should be forgiven. She doesn't know what she is talking about. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #43
This needs a rebuttal ... surrealAmerican Mar 2013 #21
"Your parent is showing" Solly Mack Mar 2013 #23
I Think Her Father Is Sitting Behind Her Above Her Left Shoulder HangOnKids Mar 2013 #44
I think you're right. He is mouthing the speech. Solly Mack Mar 2013 #45
And He Is Smiling And Nodding And Mouthing HIS Speech HangOnKids Mar 2013 #46
She's got great eye contact......did she learn that in a public school?? a kennedy Mar 2013 #24
Why is biology destiny ONLY when political power says it is and not destiny when they say it isn't? patrice Mar 2013 #25
Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #28
... Hong Kong Cavalier Mar 2013 #29
Aww, sweetheart. I'm so sorry your youthful innocence has been manipulated. nolabear Mar 2013 #30
So...how is denying gays the right to marry going to stop them from having kids? And... Moonwalk Mar 2013 #31
What if she grows up not to be Beautiful ? JI7 Mar 2013 #34
It's funny these people always talk about how people need a mommy and daddy. Arcanetrance Mar 2013 #36
Hopefully she'll break free of the brainwashing one day. marmar Mar 2013 #37
Bigots in training. HappyMe Mar 2013 #38
exploitation watch the sky Mar 2013 #39
Teh Gays want to take my mommy! Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #41
She is a little girl. Sissyk Mar 2013 #47
IMHO Her Dad Is Sitting Behind Her In The First Moments Of The Video HangOnKids Mar 2013 #53
I don't disagee it was dictated by the parents. Sissyk Mar 2013 #55
You've got to be carefully taught. displacedtexan Mar 2013 #48
why post this here? La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2013 #50
There are a number of problems, here. love_katz Mar 2013 #51
Kids with gay parents have a right to speak about it because they are talking about their own gtar100 Mar 2013 #52
In 5 years she will be on the news SomethingFishy Mar 2013 #54

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
40. Wait until she can think for herself to judge her. She may look back with pride on her
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:00 PM
Mar 2013

speech 7 years from now, or she may look back and regret every word she spoke, in addition to rejecting her parents.

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
22. Not necessarily. She's a parrot at this point.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:01 PM
Mar 2013

She doesn't actually have true political views yet.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
3. She is going to grow up and get away from her bigotted upbringing
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:26 PM
Mar 2013

and then she is going to feel really bad about what she did.

Shame on her parents.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
4. You have people on DU who think
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:27 PM
Mar 2013

that gender is biological.

This video is shameful. Shameful on the parents who taught her this crap, and then allowed her to become a bigoted voice.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
11. I'm afraid I do too.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:36 PM
Mar 2013

She's spouting off about all the gender roles we feminazis have been fighting all my life. Bleh! Like role playing has anything to do with intelligence or ability.

She'll be the good little wife too someday, unless she grows up and realizes she's a lot more than what her daddy tells her she is.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
42. I just hope that when, if she rejects her parents hateful views, she doesn't destroy
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:07 PM
Mar 2013

herself by going to the other extreme like many other stage managed children did and are still doing.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
7. in a few years we'll hear about how she's changed her mind
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:29 PM
Mar 2013

and is no longer opposed to gay marriage, like that little Republican who was the star of the GOP circuit for a while and is now a liberal.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
8. Fundamentalist Christian home schooled no doubt.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:31 PM
Mar 2013

Taught that believing that someone else's gay family will force her to choose between her parents.I hope she escapes her plight someday.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
10. So, I had a mom and a dad
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:34 PM
Mar 2013

and I turned out gay and my dad physically and emotionally abused me. I wouldn't be the person I am today without him but it could be argued I'd be a better person today had he not been in my life. I even knew that at age 11. I can even tell you how I knew that, I constantly asked my mom why we had to stay with him.

And kids who come from single parents homes? Does she see them as lesser children than her? I'm guessing she does 'cause it's much more important to her parents to have a traditional mom and dad unit then it is to have a loving home from 2 individuals who may happen to be the same gender.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
13. Give her a few hours with you and she'll change her mind.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:39 PM
Mar 2013

She doesn't even know if she knows any gay people. All she knows is what her parents tell her. She only 11 years old! How knowledgeable can she be?

Unfortunately she has had her head stuffed with her parent's nasty sex opinions. She should barely even be thinking about it at her age. If she hasn't gone through puberty she would be thinking about dolls still, not perverted visions her parents have put in her head.

Poor child.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
12. Whichever parent planted the brain-dead idea in your head that parenting
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:37 PM
Mar 2013

is all about gender. That one (or two), you can toss.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
16. Whichever parent taught you that marriage equality would take away either of your parents.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:48 PM
Mar 2013

That is the parent you do not need.

Geez, who gave this kid the idea that marriage equality would change her family in any way? She will still have the family she has now. smh

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
35. I would guess she was taught that by both parents.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 06:04 PM
Mar 2013

So in that vein maybe both should be taken away. This borders on child neglect. Neglecting the rightful normal aging of a child. She should be reading age appropriate books, playing outside with her friends, maybe jumping rope, playing sports, not being forced into political situations that she does not have the background yet to formulate opinions such as these. She needs to be with a loving family in Minnesota and her parents sent to Kansas.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
19. I've always felt that kids should stay out of these public debates....
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:54 PM
Mar 2013

You never know if they are speaking their own mind or if they are voicing their parents' opinions.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
20. I hold almost none of the views I had at 11.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:56 PM
Mar 2013

She will probably get it one day, and be mortified. But the damage will be done. And in the age of the Internet, she will never be able to scrub this stain off her name.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
43. Someone that young should be forgiven. She doesn't know what she is talking about.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:16 PM
Mar 2013

If she turns 16 or 17 and is still speaking the same garbage, then I say blame her. But give an 11 year old child some slack.

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
21. This needs a rebuttal ...
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:56 PM
Mar 2013

... form an eleven-year-old with two dads or two moms saying, "which parent do I not need?"

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
23. "Your parent is showing"
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:07 PM
Mar 2013

When you work with kids and they do and say bad things that could only come from the adults in their life there's a saying, "Your parent is showing" or "Your parents are showing".

Well, kid, your parents are showing. Seems to me you could do without both since they're teaching you to hate.

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
44. I Think Her Father Is Sitting Behind Her Above Her Left Shoulder
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:18 PM
Mar 2013

Look at proud Papa, he is so excited he can't stop himself from mouthing the speech he wrote for her!! I watched it 3 times in slow motion. After it becomes obvious what he is doing, the camera hones in on the girl and cuts him out of the footage.

So actually Solly her parent is LITERALLY showing!

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
45. I think you're right. He is mouthing the speech.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:31 PM
Mar 2013

We know who wrote that speech. I suspected. Now I know.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
25. Why is biology destiny ONLY when political power says it is and not destiny when they say it isn't?
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:18 PM
Mar 2013

This little girl may or may not have CHOSEN to be "gentle and beautiful". This little girl may or may not have CHOSEN to be a "wife and mother" ... we'll never know how she would have chosen had she not been programmed by certain kinds of parents. Just because these particular parents are programming for that specific outcome, does that mean that outcome CANNOT be chosen otherwise, that it cannot be chosen under OTHER conditions? No it doesn't. Not ALL parents program their children to live the lives that parents define for them.

However this girl might have decided, to those who oppose the Civil Rights of our LGBT brothers and sisters, the question that I just posed is ir-relevant: the girl has a uterus and that's THEIR business, NOT hers. And it's so much their business that they act to multiply that business by inflating it into the business of the STATE, i.e. government.

It's interesting that other types of biologies are NOT afforded this kind of POLITICAL power. Government intrusion into our private lives is only acceptable when we conform to the accepted biology. What about those who can't? or won't?

These assumptions extend not only to LGBT sexual identities, but also to variations in "conventional" sexual roles. Are variations, the results of variations in biology and/or context, NOT permitted? If we are to assume responsibility for our own lives, who is the best determiner of an individual's commitment to a given variation? Even if you make a valid and reliable case for traditional sexual parent roles, would those be best, most functionally for that end, best served by government defining them?

The happiest children, women, men, families, and singles are best served by the most freedom possible for the most people possible.

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Hong Kong Cavalier

(4,572 posts)
29. ...
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:29 PM
Mar 2013

Her argument is solely based on the most fucked up, ludicrous, full-of-bullshit emotional appeal I've ever heard against marriage equality.

I don't feel terrible for listening to that. I can only shake my head.

Oh, and the answer to her question is: "Whichever one is shoveling that bullshit into your mind."
Not that I'm really advocating taking away either of her parents. I'm just...angry that this kind of crap is put forth as a legitimate argument against marriage equality.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
30. Aww, sweetheart. I'm so sorry your youthful innocence has been manipulated.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:33 PM
Mar 2013

She's got a perfectly natural outlook for an immature kid with immature thought processes. Someday if she's lucky she'll be able to think more deeply and with more empathy. But bwing used like this doesn't help that process. I wish her luck.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
31. So...how is denying gays the right to marry going to stop them from having kids? And...
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:41 PM
Mar 2013

...stop them from raising those kids with their partner? That's what confuses me. Last I looked, one didn't have to be married to have kids and raise 'em--and raise them with whichever partner one picks.

I get so tired of this stupid non-argument.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
34. What if she grows up not to be Beautiful ?
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:56 PM
Mar 2013

what if the girl with the 2 dads is more beautiful than her and gets more attention ?

what is her mom going to tell her then ?

Arcanetrance

(2,670 posts)
36. It's funny these people always talk about how people need a mommy and daddy.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 06:10 PM
Mar 2013

But what about all the people who for one reason or another don't have one of those. They grow up just fine I'm one of those people. It was actually worse when my mom and dad were together.

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
47. She is a little girl.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 07:47 PM
Mar 2013

She didn't say all that on her own. Shame on her parents!!

We can hope she will grow up and see how wrong they are as several generations before her have done.

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
53. IMHO Her Dad Is Sitting Behind Her In The First Moments Of The Video
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 02:43 PM
Mar 2013

He is mouthing the speech her wrote for her!

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
55. I don't disagee it was dictated by the parents.
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 03:03 PM
Mar 2013

Both, I blame them both. I just hope she grows up and out.

love_katz

(2,578 posts)
51. There are a number of problems, here.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 11:31 PM
Mar 2013

1. Kids tend to parrot the beliefs of their parents, until they become old enough to think for themselves. Eleven years old...naw...not old enough.

2. Stereotyping about what is acceptable as destiny for females - we have to be gentle and sweet? And, grow up to be wives and mothers? Congrats on the brainwashing there, fundy parents. Like the world really NEEDS more breeding by humans?

3. Gay parents raising kids are depriving their children of...what...more brainwashing?

Complete FAIL homophobes.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
52. Kids with gay parents have a right to speak about it because they are talking about their own
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 11:52 PM
Mar 2013

experience. But note that these children aren't saying that their situation is the only acceptable one like this little girl here is doing. She is not coming from a place of experience which would give her mind understanding at her age. Instead, she is condemning others for a situation she knows nothing about. I hope she has a chance to meet other kids her age who have gay parents. It might bring her back to reality. All the shame lies with the parents for putting bigoted words in her mouth.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
54. In 5 years she will be on the news
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 02:45 PM
Mar 2013

taking back and regretting what she said. It happens with almost every kid the right manipulates into being their "spokeskid".

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