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Hey John Bolton (Original Post) malaise Jun 2014 OP
John Bolton? The guy who takes his wife to Plato's Retreat for wife-swapping John Bolton? Octafish Jun 2014 #1
Same one malaise Jun 2014 #18
Is Silly Moustache man on TV or something today? marmar Jun 2014 #2
He said Obama is despicable for malaise Jun 2014 #4
Yep, that sums it up well. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2014 #27
Forgot to add: John Bolton is a neocon PNAC stooge. Octafish Jun 2014 #3
He is not a PNAC neocon stooge Jack Rabbit Jun 2014 #11
PNAC was the neocons wet dream Auggie Jun 2014 #14
No, PNAC was the neocons' circle-jerk. Their wet dream was getting in power... JHB Jun 2014 #22
+1 Auggie Jun 2014 #26
Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception Octafish Jun 2014 #15
Neocons have brains; it's the way they use them that make them such horrid people Jack Rabbit Jun 2014 #19
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #5
And if the POW had died in Taliban Hands n2doc Jun 2014 #6
I wish a truthful media actually existed. mountain grammy Jun 2014 #7
John Bolton's Iran-Contra past bigtree Jun 2014 #8
I find his conducting rebolting. kairos12 Jun 2014 #16
He's a total and complete ReTHUG scumbag malaise Jun 2014 #17
Thank You! That was informative. dballance Jun 2014 #9
So Bolton, was Dubya despicable for letting the Bin Laden......... Capt.Rocky300 Jun 2014 #10
Oh, heavens, no Jack Rabbit Jun 2014 #12
Correct malaise Jun 2014 #20
You fail to comprehend the the most important event in the kairos12 Jun 2014 #13
Probably correct malaise Jun 2014 #21
Whenever I have the misfortune to discuss 9/11 with Rethugs I always say Bush and his cronies kairos12 Jun 2014 #23
+1,000 malaise Jun 2014 #24
he should be in chains with the rest of the cabal.... spanone Jun 2014 #25
X1,000 malaise Jun 2014 #28

malaise

(268,850 posts)
4. He said Obama is despicable for
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 10:42 AM
Jun 2014

The prison swap. We know what that means - he's despicable for being black and winning back to backmelections

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
11. He is not a PNAC neocon stooge
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jun 2014
Stooge would imply that somebody else put him up to being a PNAC neocon. PNAC was idiotic idea that was dreamed up by Bolton and other idiots all by themselves. They weren't stooges.

PNAC brings to mind a remark by Sir Winston Churchill: Something about an idea so stupid only an intellectual could have thought of it.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
22. No, PNAC was the neocons' circle-jerk. Their wet dream was getting in power...
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:57 PM
Jun 2014

...so they could carry out their jerk-off fantasies.

Bush's selection was their wet dream.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
15. Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:01 PM
Jun 2014
Many neoconservatives like Paul Wolfowitz are disciples of a philosopher who believed that the elite should use deception, religious fervor and perpetual war to control the ignorant masses.

Jim Lobe
AlterNet, May 18, 2003

What would you do if you wanted to topple Saddam Hussein, but your intelligence agencies couldn't find the evidence to justify a war?

A follower of Leo Strauss may just hire the "right" kind of men to get the job done – people with the intellect, acuity, and, if necessary, the political commitment, polemical skills, and, above all, the imagination to find the evidence that career intelligence officers could not detect.

The "right" man for Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, suggests Seymour Hersh in his recent New Yorker article entitled 'Selective Intelligence,' was Abram Shulsky, director of the Office of Special Plans (OSP) – an agency created specifically to find the evidence of WMDs and/or links with Al Qaeda, piece it together, and clinch the case for the invasion of Iraq.

Like Wolfowitz, Shulsky is a student of an obscure German Jewish political philosopher named Leo Strauss who arrived in the United States in 1938. Strauss taught at several major universities, including Wolfowitz and Shulsky's alma mater, the University of Chicago, before his death in 1973.

Strauss is a popular figure among the neoconservatives. Adherents of his ideas include prominent figures both within and outside the administration. They include 'Weekly Standard' editor William Kristol; his father and indeed the godfather of the neoconservative movement, Irving Kristol; the new Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, Stephen Cambone, a number of senior fellows at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) (home to former Defense Policy Board chairman Richard Perle and Lynne Cheney), and Gary Schmitt, the director of the influential Project for the New American Century (PNAC), which is chaired by Kristol the Younger.

Strauss' philosophy is hardly incidental to the strategy and mindset adopted by these men – as is obvious in Shulsky's 1999 essay titled "Leo Strauss and the World of Intelligence (By Which We Do Not Mean Nous)" (in Greek philosophy the term nous denotes the highest form of rationality). As Hersh notes in his article, Shulsky and his co-author Schmitt "criticize America's intelligence community for its failure to appreciate the duplicitous nature of the regimes it deals with, its susceptibility to social-science notions of proof, and its inability to cope with deliberate concealment." They argued that Strauss's idea of hidden meaning, "alerts one to the possibility that political life may be closely linked to deception. Indeed, it suggests that deception is the norm in political life, and the hope, to say nothing of the expectation, of establishing a politics that can dispense with it is the exception."

Rule One: Deception

CONTINUED...

http://www.alternet.org/story/15935/leo_strauss'_philosophy_of_deception

In complete agreement with your evaluation of PNAC and its people. Turds like Bolton wouldn't be anywhere without someone picking up their tab. Don't mean to argue, Jack Rabbit, but they don't have the brains.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
19. Neocons have brains; it's the way they use them that make them such horrid people
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:41 PM
Jun 2014

Don't mistake them for George W. Bush. He has no brains.

Leo Strauss wasn't a dummy, either. What we don't like about him is his contempt for democracy. He believes in rule by an elite aristocracy that must use deception on those they rule in order to maintain their power. Where did Strauss get an idea like that? He got it straight out of Plato. I actually find it interesting how Strauss applies Platonic principles to the modern world, but I, for one, would not want to live either Plato's Republic or Strauss' version of it.

The linked article's assertion that Plato was more concerned about the moral character of his elites than Strauss is not quite true. Plato's morality might not be recognized as all that moral today. Plato makes it sound good and he's just better at that than Strauss. Nevertheless, I have never seen an "aristocracy" that, far from being rule by the best, wasn't anything else that rule by self-interested tyrants: consider Roman nobles, feudal barons, the landed aristocracy of the eighteenth century that was really nothing more than feudal barons who had outlived feudalism, and finally, the modern industrialists and financiers who are presently making a go at an end run around democracy. All of those "aristocratic" classes produced or would like to produce an oppressive tyranny where the silver class must be used to protect the gold class from the bronze masses. Plato's utopia would have been no better. I don't hold out any hope for a Marxist/Leninist utopia. All of these utopian visions descended into tyranny.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
6. And if the POW had died in Taliban Hands
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 11:13 AM
Jun 2014

Would have been the same response. I sure wish the liberal media actually existed.

bigtree

(85,984 posts)
8. John Bolton's Iran-Contra past
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 12:03 PM
Jun 2014
Wednesday, March 30, 2005
John Bolton's Iran-Contra past
from David Corn:

Bolton's record as Assistant AG for the Office of Legislative Affairs in 1986 and 1987 merits special scrutiny. He "tried to torpedo" Sen. John Kerry's inquiry into allegations of contra drug smuggling and gunrunning, a committee aide says. When Kerry requested information from the Justice Department, Bolton's office gave it the long stall, a Kerry aide notes. In fact, says another Congressional aide, Bolton's staff worked actively with the Republican senators who opposed Kerry's efforts.

In 1986 this chum of Meese also refused to give Peter Rodino, then chair of he House Judiciary Committee, documents concerning the Iran/contra scandal and Meese's involvement in it, Later, when Congressional investigators were probing charges that the Justice Department had delayed an inquiry into gunrunning to the contras, Bolton was again the spoiler . . .
 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
9. Thank You! That was informative.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 12:13 PM
Jun 2014

I didn't know about that at all until you just posted it. Thanks for giving me more ammo to use against the GOP hypocrites.

On Edit:

This was intended as a reply to Octafish's post. I totally misfired in clicking on the proper link.

Capt.Rocky300

(1,005 posts)
10. So Bolton, was Dubya despicable for letting the Bin Laden.........
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 12:30 PM
Jun 2014

family get out of the country on charter jets when the airspace was closed to the rest of us?

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
12. Oh, heavens, no
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:00 PM
Jun 2014

IOKIYAR. That's got to be in the Bible somewhere, although I haven't been able to find it myself. It must be in the Book of Falwell, a part of the Old Testament written in invisible ink that only right wing fundies can read.

malaise

(268,850 posts)
21. Probably correct
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:43 PM
Jun 2014


The truth is that the Benghazi 9/11 was meant to eclipse the real one because you know Bush. Cheney and the other war criminals kept America safe.

kairos12

(12,850 posts)
23. Whenever I have the misfortune to discuss 9/11 with Rethugs I always say Bush and his cronies
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:58 PM
Jun 2014

kept America scared, not safe.


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