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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 11:46 AM Jun 2014

In Norfolk, evidence of climate change is in the streets at high tide

NORFOLK — At high tide on the small inlet next to Norfolk’s most prestigious art museum, the water lapped at the very top of the concrete sea wall that has held it back for 100 years. It seeped up through storm drains, puddled on the promenade and spread, half a foot deep, across the street, where a sign read, “Road Closed.”

The sun was shining, but all around the inlet people were bracing for more serious flooding. The Chrysler Museum of Art had just completed a $24 million renovation that emptied the basement, now accessible only by ladder, and lifted the heating and air-conditioning systems to the top floor. A local accounting firm stood behind a homemade barricade of stanchions and detachable flaps rigged to keep the water out. And the congregation of the Unitarian Church of Norfolk was looking to evacuate.

“We don’t like being the poster child for climate change,” said the Rev. Jennifer Slade, who added that the building, with its carved-wood sanctuary and soaring flood-insurance rates, would soon be on the market for the first time in four decades. “I don’t know many churches that have to put the tide chart on their Web site” so people know whether they can get to church.

On May 6, the Obama administration released the third National Climate Assessment, and President Obama proclaimed climate change no longer a theory; its effects, he said, are already here. This came as no surprise in Norfolk, where normal tides have risen 11 / 2 feet over the past century and the sea is rising faster than anywhere else on the East Coast.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/in-norfolk-evidence-of-climate-change-is-in-the-streets-at-high-tide/2014/05/31/fe3ae860-e71f-11e3-8f90-73e071f3d637_story.html

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In Norfolk, evidence of climate change is in the streets at high tide (Original Post) n2doc Jun 2014 OP
kick, kick, kick..... daleanime Jun 2014 #1
I used to live down there. NutmegYankee Jun 2014 #2
Me, too, on Colonial Ave in downtown Norfolk theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #10
my sister lives in Olde Town right across the Elizabeth River in Portsmouth CatWoman Jun 2014 #19
dikes and windmills? demigoddess Jun 2014 #57
This comes to mind. House of Roberts Jun 2014 #3
I wonder if they are considering a dike system? jimlup Jun 2014 #4
I read elsewhere that the state of VA pangaia Jun 2014 #41
In addition, controlling just one foot would cost $1 billion, which is more than the city budget hatrack Jun 2014 #47
Right except if they think it through jimlup Jun 2014 #56
I have to wonder janlyn Jun 2014 #5
"if you quit talking about it it will go away!" You're right, see post #7 n/t progree Jun 2014 #8
my home town, left for higher ground years ago carolinayellowdog Jun 2014 #6
I understand Miami has the same problems. fasttense Jun 2014 #49
Oh, don't worry. North Carolina has a really really good law to deal with this --- progree Jun 2014 #7
Greed will be the end of us. mountain grammy Jun 2014 #13
She probably let it become law because the Know-Nothings had enough votes to override. n/t SwankyXomb Jun 2014 #28
Why not veto it anyway? For the record. Dems should stand up for what they believe n/t progree Jun 2014 #30
If allowed to stand this law will guarantee that some public investment in infrastructure KurtNYC Jun 2014 #55
And yet, our politicians like Rubio still distpute this is happening. dballance Jun 2014 #9
Miami streets also ankle deep at high tide Divernan Jun 2014 #11
Goodbye Miami, Rolling Stone, 6/20/13 progree Jun 2014 #26
"he promised he wouldn't do it again"! bhikkhu Jun 2014 #33
He isn't doing it again. We are! nt icymist Jun 2014 #37
+ Infinity. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #60
If there is a God I wish he'd save us from his followers. nt redqueen Jun 2014 #58
Hurricanes have been known to wipe barrier islands clean in Florida kmlisle Jun 2014 #40
There is still a lot of money buying up Miami real estate fasttense Jun 2014 #50
Oh Please, If You Have Any Other Brothers Who Want To ChiciB1 Jun 2014 #63
Maybe climate change will wash away DC and we can start over. nt valerief Jun 2014 #12
The voters who vote these yutzes in won't mostly be washed away n2doc Jun 2014 #16
And we'll be footing the bill, as usual. nt valerief Jun 2014 #18
K & R mountain grammy Jun 2014 #14
Why has sea level risen so much Helen Borg Jun 2014 #15
Combination of rise and ground subsidence n2doc Jun 2014 #17
There are three dynamics impacting Norfolk Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #21
Apparently Helen Borg could not be bothered to read the rest of the article. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #27
Got that out of your system? Good! Helen Borg Jun 2014 #59
Wow -- that really is a perfect storm of lousy luck Hekate Jun 2014 #39
The Chesapeake Bay Impact Crater--biggest in North America marions ghost Jun 2014 #45
Another thing that makes flooding SheilaT Jun 2014 #23
"Rising Sea Levels Torment Norfolk" Divernan Jun 2014 #31
Hate To Be Rude, But It's Happening In Florida Too! ChiciB1 Jun 2014 #64
Virginia elected two Democratic Senators and a Democratic Governor DFW Jun 2014 #20
Another location on the West Coast that may not fare well: IDemo Jun 2014 #22
What climate change???? malaise Jun 2014 #24
climate change? heaven05 Jun 2014 #25
I used to live in Norfolk Skittles Jun 2014 #29
Went to grad school w/ a Norfolk High alum. Divernan Jun 2014 #32
My family and friends have always said "NAW-FAHLK" Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #34
as a native I know the joke, but it gets neither syllable right carolinayellowdog Jun 2014 #35
you are correct marions ghost Jun 2014 #43
Oh great... virgdem Jun 2014 #36
I used to spend a lot of time in VA Beach as a teenager. deafskeptic Jun 2014 #38
AS much as I loved Newport News, I had to leave there... MrScorpio Jun 2014 #42
Good article. K&r n/t FSogol Jun 2014 #44
"the sea is rising faster than anywhere else on the East Coast" seveneyes Jun 2014 #46
Because another effect of global warming is the slowing down of the Gulf Stream Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #61
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #48
Maybe the republicans can make Al Gore jokes and that will help Botany Jun 2014 #51
Kick! riqster Jun 2014 #52
Thanks investors! A toast to your success! raouldukelives Jun 2014 #53
I wonder if the high tide mark is changing in coastal Texas TexasProgresive Jun 2014 #54
I Live In Florida So Giving This A BIG KICK!! ChiciB1 Jun 2014 #62
You should take them to Miami Beach during a King Tide n2doc Jun 2014 #65
Late Reply, But I Did Show Some The Pics I Had... ChiciB1 Jun 2014 #66

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
2. I used to live down there.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 11:54 AM
Jun 2014

Most homes don't have basements because the water table starts at 5 feet. My father and I put a well in for watering the grass and we were able to install it by hand by beating a pipe down with sledge hammers to 30 feet.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
10. Me, too, on Colonial Ave in downtown Norfolk
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 12:23 PM
Jun 2014

The streets would always flood even after a modest rain so as the effects of climate change increase, I can't imagine that Norfolk will be habitable in 20 years unless some effort of monumental proportions is undertaken.

CatWoman

(79,295 posts)
19. my sister lives in Olde Town right across the Elizabeth River in Portsmouth
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:34 PM
Jun 2014

and Olde Town is so much more prone to flooding now than in the past.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
41. I read elsewhere that the state of VA
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 07:51 AM
Jun 2014

had contracted the Dutch government to come up with a plan to protect the Hampton roads area for a possible 1 foot height increase in the sea.
But then it was realized that they would need over a five foot protection so gave up that plan..

hatrack

(59,583 posts)
47. In addition, controlling just one foot would cost $1 billion, which is more than the city budget
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 09:17 AM
Jun 2014

They kind of, uh, shelved that idea for now.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
56. Right except if they think it through
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 11:26 AM
Jun 2014

they need consider the cost of abandoning the area if they are truly thinking beyond 50 years. (Which is politically unlikely.)

janlyn

(735 posts)
5. I have to wonder
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 11:56 AM
Jun 2014

how long before a ban is put on climatologists and meteorologists from speaking to media about climate change as they have done in Canada?
Because everyone knows that if you quit talking about it it will go away!

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
6. my home town, left for higher ground years ago
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 11:58 AM
Jun 2014

after Katrina, whenever I've gone back to Norfolk I've been unable to avoid picturing it all submerged.

Recent flooding pictures here.



progree

(10,901 posts)
7. Oh, don't worry. North Carolina has a really really good law to deal with this ---
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 12:17 PM
Jun 2014
New Law in North Carolina Bans Latest Scientific Predictions of Sea-Level Rise, ABC News, 8/2/12

A new law in North Carolina will ban the state from basing coastal policies on the latest scientific predictions of how much the sea level will rise, prompting environmentalists to accuse the state of disrespecting climate science.

The law has put the state in the spotlight for what critics have called nearsightedness and climate change denial, but its proponents said the state needed to put a moratorium on predictions of sea level rise until scientific techniques improve (or until we're up to our arses in alligators).

The law was drafted in response to an estimate by the state's Coastal Resources Commission (CRC) that the sea level will rise by 39 inches (1 meter, ya know, 1 yard and 3 inches) in the next century,

Democratic Gov. Bev Perdue had until Thursday to act on the bill known as House Bill 819, but she decided to let it become law by doing nothing.

More: http://abcnews.go.com/US/north-carolina-bans-latest-science-rising-sea-level/story?id=16913782

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
55. If allowed to stand this law will guarantee that some public investment in infrastructure
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 11:19 AM
Jun 2014

will be destroyed by totally foreseeable events.

Billion dollar sand castles.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
9. And yet, our politicians like Rubio still distpute this is happening.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 12:23 PM
Jun 2014

How climate change won't be a factor in our 2014 elections is a shame, a disgusting lack of responsibility.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
11. Miami streets also ankle deep at high tide
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 12:53 PM
Jun 2014
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/us/florida-finds-itself-in-the-eye-of-the-storm-on-climate-change.html?_r=0

MIAMI BEACH — The sunny-day flooding was happening again. During high tide one recent afternoon, Eliseo Toussaint looked out the window of his Alton Road laundromat and watched bottle-green saltwater seep from the gutters, fill the street and block the entrance to his front door. “This never used to happen,” Mr. Toussaint said. “I’ve owned this place eight years, and now it’s all the time.”

Down the block at an electronics store it is even worse. Jankel Aleman, a salesman, keeps plastic bags and rubber bands handy to wrap around his feet when he trudges from his car to the store through ever-rising waters.

“Sea level rise is our reality in Miami Beach,” said the city’s mayor, Philip Levine. “We are past the point of debating the existence of climate change and are now focusing on adapting to current and future threats.” In the face of encroaching saltwater and sunny-day flooding like that on Alton Road, Mr. Levine has supported a $400 million spending project to make the city’s drainage system more resilient in the face of rising tides.


And yet there are still high rise apartment/condo buildings going up in Miami. Guess the developers count on enough clueless retirees who deny climate change to buy them while the developers leave with their profits. At some time sooner than later - probably after the next super-hurricane, the property insurers will pull out and that housing market will collapse.

progree

(10,901 posts)
26. Goodbye Miami, Rolling Stone, 6/20/13
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 04:03 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Sun Jun 1, 2014, 11:10 PM - Edit history (2)

Since the 1920s, the global average sea level has risen about 9", mostly from thermal expansion of the oceans. But the pace is accelerating with the melting of Greenland and Antarctica ice sheets. The latest research, including an assessment by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, suggests that sea level could rise more than six feet by the end of the century. James Hansen, the godfather of global-warming science, has argued that it could increase as high as 16 feet by then "With six feet of sea-level rise, South Florida is toast," says Tom Gustafson, a former Florida speaker of the House and a climate-change-policy advocate.

... With just three feet of sea-level rise, more than a third of southern Florida will vanish

... Even worse, South Florida sits above a vast and porous limestone plateau. "Imagine Swiss cheese, and you'll have a pretty good idea what the rock under southern Florida looks like," says Glenn Landers, a senior engineer at the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. This means water moves around easily – it seeps into yards at high tide, bubbles up on golf courses, flows through underground caverns, corrodes building foundations from below. "Conventional sea walls and barriers are not effective here,"

... Given how much Florida has to lose from climate change, the abdication of leadership by state and federal politicians is almost suicidal – when it isn't downright comical. Watson recalls attending a meeting on natural-hazard-response planning in South Florida, funded by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the state: "I mentioned sea-level rise, and I was treated to a 15-minute lecture on Genesis by one of the commissioners. He said, [font color=brown]'God destroyed the Earth with water the first time, and he promised he wouldn't do it again. So all of you who are pushing fears about sea-level rise, go back and read the Bible.'[/font] "

More, much more (sigh): http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-the-city-of-miami-is-doomed-to-drown-20130620

kmlisle

(276 posts)
40. Hurricanes have been known to wipe barrier islands clean in Florida
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 07:26 AM
Jun 2014

It happened on the Gulf Coast where some very expensive vacation homes disappeared when a hurricane storm surge passed over them and left only sand behind about 10 years ago. This is the fate waiting to happen to much of Florida ocean front from Cocoa Beach to Miami to Clearwater inthe next centrury. Sad but true.

Heard a talk last year by a geologist who works for NASA on Merritt Island where the space port is and he predicted that sometime in the next 50 to 100 years the barrier Islands there would be overrun in a big storm surge and disappear - that would be Cocoa Beach and the Cape.

For me personally it means the beaches I grew up on - playing with my family will be gone but it is a much larger disaster for folks with property on a barrier Island. My sister inlaw is grew up in Cocoa beach in a wonderful home between the Beach and the Inland waterway. It would not be practical to plan to leave it to her children. I live inland on a fairly high former sand dune, but millions live in the zone that will be inundated.

Of course if you take the long view South Florida as it is today is only 10 thousand years old. And going back a little further, 30 million years ago Florida was an island inhabited by Lemurs - until the comet hit Greenland and wiped them out - allowing for guess who to evolve to their present day state of glory and stupidity.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
50. There is still a lot of money buying up Miami real estate
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 09:44 AM
Jun 2014

but then the rich have never been known for being smart.

My brother just spent his life savings on a bead and breakfast across the street from a canal. I understand he has it heavily insured for flooding.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
63. Oh Please, If You Have Any Other Brothers Who Want To
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 01:14 PM
Jun 2014

buy land down here in Florida, I have 5 acres on the western side of Florida that is a little more inland than Miami!! LOL

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
16. The voters who vote these yutzes in won't mostly be washed away
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:16 PM
Jun 2014

And the plutocrats who fund the deniers are making money off of all this.

In the next decade I predict that there will be multi-trillion dollar initiatives to 'save' Miami, DC, NYC…And the plutocrats will be right up front taking their cut.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
17. Combination of rise and ground subsidence
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:26 PM
Jun 2014

Some of that is caused by pulling too much fresh water out of the aquifer, some is natural. Climate change just piles on top.

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
21. There are three dynamics impacting Norfolk
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:40 PM
Jun 2014

it has a "perfect storm" location in regards to global warming's impact.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/in-norfolk-evidence-of-climate-change-is-in-the-streets-at-high-tide/2014/05/31/fe3ae860-e71f-11e3-8f90-73e071f3d637_story.html

The problem is particularly urgent in Norfolk and the rest of Tidewater Virginia — which the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has ranked second only to New Orleans in terms of population threatened by sea-level rise — due to a fateful convergence of lousy luck. First, the seas are generally rising as the planet warms. Second, the Gulf Stream is circulating more slowly, causing more water to slosh toward the North Atlantic coast. In 2012, the U.S. Geological Survey declared a 600-mile stretch of coastline, from North Carolina’s Cape Hatteras to Boston, a “sea-level rise hotspot,” with rates increasing at three to four times the global average.

Third, the land around Norfolk is sinking, a phenomenon called “subsidence,” due in part to continuing adjustments in the earth’s crust to the melting of glaciers from the last ice age. Plus, the city is slowly sinking into the crater of a meteor that slammed into the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay 35 million years ago.


marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
45. The Chesapeake Bay Impact Crater--biggest in North America
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 08:46 AM
Jun 2014

--put a big whammy on this area:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesapeake_Bay_impact_crater



The Chesapeake Bay impact crater[1] was formed by a bolide that impacted the eastern shore of North America about 35 million years ago, in the late Eocene epoch. It is one of the best-preserved "wet-target" or marine impact craters, and the largest known impact crater in the U.S. Continued slumping of sediments over the rubble of the crater has helped shape the Chesapeake Bay.

Formation and Aftermath

During the warm, late Eocene, sea levels were high, and the Tidewater region of Virginia lay in the coastal shallows. The shore of eastern North America, about where Richmond, Virginia, is today, was covered with dense tropical rainforest, and the waters of the gently sloping continental shelf were rich with marine life that was depositing dense layers of lime from their microscopic shells.

Boundaries of the crater

The bolide impacted at a speed of many kilometers per second, punching a deep hole through the sediments and into the granite continental basement rock. The bolide itself was completely vaporized, with the basement rock being fractured to depths of 8 km (5.0 mi), and a peak ring being raised around it. The deep crater, 38 km (24 mi) across, is surrounded by a flat-floored terrace-like ring trough with an outer edge of collapsed blocks forming ring faults. The entire circular crater is about 85 km (53 mi) in diameter and 1.3 km (0.81 mi) deep, an area twice the size of Rhode Island, and nearly as deep as the Grand Canyon. Numerical modeling techniques by Collins, et al. indicate that the post-impact diameter was likely to have been 40 km (25 mi), rather than the observed 85 km (53 mi).[2]

The surrounding region suffered massive devastation. USGS scientist David Powars, one of the impact crater's discoverers, has described the immediate aftermath: "Within minutes, millions of tons of water, sediment, and shattered rock were cast high into the atmosphere for hundreds of miles along the East Coast." An enormous seismic tsunami engulfed the land and possibly even overtopped the Blue Ridge Mountains[citation needed]. The sedimentary walls of the crater progressively slumped in, widened the crater, and formed a layer of huge blocks on the floor of the ring-like trough. The slump blocks were then covered with the rubble or breccia. The entire bolide event, from initial impact to the termination of breccia deposition, lasted only a few hours or days. In the perspective of geological time, the 1.2 km (0.75 mi) breccia is an instantaneous deposit. The crater was then buried by additional sedimentary beds that have accumulated during the 35 million years following the impact.

Another article at:

http://www.virginiaplaces.org/geology/bolide.html

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
23. Another thing that makes flooding
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:44 PM
Jun 2014

or potential flooding worse in urban areas is paving. Roads, sidewalks, parking lots, and all the many, many buildings on top of the ground. I remember reading some years back that Houston now experienced worse flooding whenever it rained because that land is very flat and a lot of it is now paved. The original un-paved, un-built on land, can absorb quite a bit more water which now, after all the build up, can only run off some where looking for a sewer or real land.

An aspect of the problem that's never talked about is that there are too many people, too much development everywhere. The sheer numbers of people lead to building in places that shouldn't be built on, or in places that are prone to various disasters such as fire, tornadoes, hurricanes, and so on. Add to that global warming which brings about rising water levels, more intense storms, and severe drought in various places and we have exactly what is going on these days.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
31. "Rising Sea Levels Torment Norfolk"
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 06:25 PM
Jun 2014

Here's a detailed article about the flooding/ocean level rise in Norfolk:
(a few excerpts)

Flooding has become so common in this city, where water is the lifeblood, that residents talk about it in the supermarket. Home to the world's largest naval base, Norfolk sits on flat land — much of it filled-in marsh that's now at sea level and sinking. Add to that the sea-level rise from global warming, and the city faces what it deems a $1 billion-plus problem.

Sea level has risen nearly 8 inches worldwide since 1880 but, unlike water in a bathtub, it doesn't rise evenly. In the past 100 years, it has climbed about a foot or more in some U.S. cities because of ocean currents and land subsidence — 11 inches in New York and Boston, 12 in Charleston, 16 in Atlantic City, 18 in Norfolk and 25 in Galveston, Texas, according to a USA TODAY analysis of 2012 tide gauge data collected by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).


ww.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/17/sea-level-rise-swamps-norfolk-us-coasts/3893825/

If you read the whole article, you will see that many people are desperate, but don't feel they can leave - either because they are underwater with their mortgages (the value of their homes are less than what they owe on their mortgages), or that potential purchasers are (rightly) being warned off from buying in these frequently flooded areas, and/or "But this is where I raised my kids. I love my house. I love my neighbors." Etc. Basically, many people who live in these areas are unable to face the realities of global climate change, take their losses and get out of Dodge before the next hurricane's storm surge destroys their low-lying homes and they can no longer get any property insurance. I can understand that - the reality is so horrifying, difficult to comprehend and accept, and they don't see anyway out other than writing off their homes and way of life.

What may help turn the tide, figuratively, is the coming surge in flood insurance costs, says Leonard Berry, director of the Florida Center for Environmental Studies at Florida Atlantic University. He says higher premiums might do more than hurricanes to change people's attitudes about living by the water.

Congress passed a 2012 law that, in October, began phasing out subsidies for the debt-ridden federal flood insurance program. More than a million homeowners could see sticker shock.

"There will be a slow exodus" from the coasts as property values gradually sink, predicts oceanographer John Englander, author of High Tide on Main Street. By century's end, he says, sea-level rise could dramatically transform U.S. coastlines, pushing them inland by hundreds of feet.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
64. Hate To Be Rude, But It's Happening In Florida Too!
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 01:21 PM
Jun 2014

I think it has something to do with CLIMATE CHANGE and melting polar ice caps, just to name ONE thing! Huge chunks melting that can be seen if you research the issue. There's much, much more but maybe you could start there, Ya Think???

Forgive me is I misunderstand your question, I really hope you're talking "tongue in cheek."

DFW

(54,349 posts)
20. Virginia elected two Democratic Senators and a Democratic Governor
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:38 PM
Jun 2014

Republicans and their propaganda arm, Fox Noise, will no doubt say the waters will recede as soon as the Republicans take over again. They will cite irrefutable evidence to back themselves up: God told Pat Robertson it was so.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
22. Another location on the West Coast that may not fare well:
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:42 PM
Jun 2014

Sunset Beach, California, where I spent much of my childhood. It is surround by the Pacific Ocean on one side and the Huntington Harbor on the other. During extreme high tides, sometimes referred to as "king tides", the water will cover the town and lap over the Pacific Coast Highway. Any increase in that threat can't be good for their future.



Divernan

(15,480 posts)
32. Went to grad school w/ a Norfolk High alum.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 07:35 PM
Jun 2014

The way he told it, if you can pronounce Norfolk without blushing, you're not saying it right.

And the high school cheer: We don't smoke! We don't drink! Norfolk, Norfolk, Norfolk!

I do take Norfolk's problems seriously, witness my posts above, but can't read the name without recalling that cheer.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
34. My family and friends have always said "NAW-FAHLK"
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 08:41 PM
Jun 2014

Maybe it's a linguistic quirk in the black community...

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
35. as a native I know the joke, but it gets neither syllable right
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 10:10 PM
Jun 2014

Noffik is the best rendition I can give of how natives say it. Definitely no "nor" in there, and the second syllable does not have any recognizable u sound in it, (nor an o, and absolutely no l.)

virgdem

(2,124 posts)
36. Oh great...
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 10:11 PM
Jun 2014

there goes Virginia Beach as well. I live about 10 miles from the ocean. I'm sure that by mid to late century, my house will be at or very near the beach. I always wanted to have beach front property!

deafskeptic

(463 posts)
38. I used to spend a lot of time in VA Beach as a teenager.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 10:32 PM
Jun 2014

My parents owned a vacation apt in the Oceans building on the fourth floor. That building is right next to Caviler hotel. I wonder what the boardwalk must look like at high tide.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
42. AS much as I loved Newport News, I had to leave there...
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 08:14 AM
Jun 2014

At one point, before I ever moved there, I decided that I was going to buy a house and settle down.

A couple of bad hurricanes and flooding on the Peninsula really changed my outlook about settling down there.

So I sold the house and moved back home to Michigan.

Global Climate Change is a pain in the ass.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
46. "the sea is rising faster than anywhere else on the East Coast"
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 08:52 AM
Jun 2014

How does that work? Localized sea level? I'm having trouble picturing a regional sea level. Gravity is relatively constant along the East coast. Perhaps the moon pulls harder in Norfolk? Maybe all the Navy ships raise the water level? Crab piss?

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
61. Because another effect of global warming is the slowing down of the Gulf Stream
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 01:06 PM
Jun 2014

which normally sends ocean water north and eastwards and is now sloshing toward the west which is where the eastern coast is located.

The ocean's circulation pattern is changing and not for the better.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/in-norfolk-evidence-of-climate-change-is-in-the-streets-at-high-tide/2014/05/31/fe3ae860-e71f-11e3-8f90-73e071f3d637_story.html

The problem is particularly urgent in Norfolk and the rest of Tidewater Virginia — which the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has ranked second only to New Orleans in terms of population threatened by sea-level rise — due to a fateful convergence of lousy luck. First, the seas are generally rising as the planet warms. Second, the Gulf Stream is circulating more slowly, causing more water to slosh toward the North Atlantic coast. In 2012, the U.S. Geological Survey declared a 600-mile stretch of coastline, from North Carolina’s Cape Hatteras to Boston, a “sea-level rise hotspot,” with rates increasing at three to four times the global average.

Third, the land around Norfolk is sinking, a phenomenon called “subsidence,” due in part to continuing adjustments in the earth’s crust to the melting of glaciers from the last ice age. Plus, the city is slowly sinking into the crater of a meteor that slammed into the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay 35 million years ago.

Response to n2doc (Original post)

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
53. Thanks investors! A toast to your success!
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 10:39 AM
Jun 2014

Without your donations to the corporate power structure, we might be forced to address this in reality. Luckily all that money will keep the deniers well fed and the propaganda flowing like wine.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
54. I wonder if the high tide mark is changing in coastal Texas
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 11:04 AM
Jun 2014

The high tide line is the boarder between public and private property. All coastal beaches in Texas are publicly owned. One of our few great laws. If Norfolk and Miami were in Texas all those buildings would no longer be privately owned and subject to tear down.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
62. I Live In Florida So Giving This A BIG KICK!!
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 01:11 PM
Jun 2014

Among many other evident reasons of course. Can't tell you how very frustrated I am when I try to tell people, some in my own family who just DON'T GET IT!! Referring to my family, most but not all are life long Democrats!!

Sickens me!

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
65. You should take them to Miami Beach during a King Tide
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 01:54 PM
Jun 2014

Don't say anything, just let the see the water over the sidewalks and such.

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