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ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 12:48 PM Jun 2014

I'm in what's becoming a contentious Facebook discussion with a long-time dear friend who...

...posted this:



It has me livid because this extreme right wing campaign is based on racist fears, but I cannot, will not, outright say that to this particular friend because I value our friendship deeply.

What argument can I make, even if it alludes to racism but in a gentle way that won't insult, that will make the point once a for all that the idea is wrong headed?

Thanks in advance for your help with this.

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I'm in what's becoming a contentious Facebook discussion with a long-time dear friend who... (Original Post) ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 OP
Remind them an Italian was here before the English? Cooley Hurd Jun 2014 #1
Lol! bettyellen Jun 2014 #2
Please don't forget the Spaniards in Florida, or the fact that Mexicans were in Fla Dem Jun 2014 #23
Send this back to them... KansDem Jun 2014 #3
Their biggest fear is that the person speaking a foreign language Drale Jun 2014 #4
I always point out Skidmore Jun 2014 #5
Don't argue about it. Just move on. Lil Missy Jun 2014 #6
My answer... jberryhill Jun 2014 #7
Tell him he's behaving like a pendejo. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #8
I'd first start by asking "Why?" Nevernose Jun 2014 #9
Tell him you have trouble understanding... excringency Jun 2014 #10
I already tried that tack with her. Didn't work. =( nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #16
Will science work? excringency Jun 2014 #21
spanish should be beachbum bob Jun 2014 #11
Wait, isn't English already American's official language? Lex Jun 2014 #12
This is the point I've been trying to make with her. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #15
What does she want, a certificate to frame Lex Jun 2014 #24
no it isn't dsc Jun 2014 #29
People who speak and read English don't have a cause for whining Lex Jun 2014 #37
I am not saying it should be dsc Jun 2014 #39
There are bigger fish to fry The empressof all Jun 2014 #13
"it's the kind of thing Putin would support" nt geek tragedy Jun 2014 #14
Before I just stopped talking to people for that kind of crap, redqueen Jun 2014 #17
Share these with your friend ... napkinz Jun 2014 #18
Someone needs to tell the guy in the first photo: there are 2 "m"s in accommodate... truebluegreen Jun 2014 #38
Try some hickphonics on them..... PumpkinAle Jun 2014 #19
When someone says that Spirochete Jun 2014 #20
Doesn't that conflict directly with Shankapotomus Jun 2014 #22
Enblish is already the De Facto official language. alphafemale Jun 2014 #25
Tell her you do believe in the original American language Tsiyu Jun 2014 #26
Founders spoke 6 different languages and JaneyVee Jun 2014 #27
Ask them Old Codger Jun 2014 #28
Would that be North America, South America, Central America? tech3149 Jun 2014 #30
The Brits would love that. mnhtnbb Jun 2014 #31
Why not just let it go? Throd Jun 2014 #32
Why should I let it go? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #33
... napkinz Jun 2014 #34
If we made English the "official" language, could we remove all the Latin references from the law Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2014 #35
I find that profanity works better when dealing with busted computers or idiots. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #36

Fla Dem

(23,587 posts)
23. Please don't forget the Spaniards in Florida, or the fact that Mexicans were in
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 02:09 PM
Jun 2014

the Southwest before the US took it over. And let's not forget the Native American languages, Algic (Algonquin), Iroquoian, Muskogean, Siouan, Athabaskan, Uto-Aztecan, Salishan and Eskimo-Aleut. English IS a 2nd language.

Drale

(7,932 posts)
4. Their biggest fear is that the person speaking a foreign language
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 12:55 PM
Jun 2014

is talking about them or making fun of them is someway because in their mind the entire world revolves around them and everyone is always talking or thinking about them.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
5. I always point out
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 12:55 PM
Jun 2014

how poorly native born people speak, spell, and obey rules of punctuation and grammar. Then I suggest that Americans learn another language besides English since this is the only nation on earth where you can make it through the education system without being proficient in one language.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
6. Don't argue about it. Just move on.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:00 PM
Jun 2014

"Never try to teach a pig to sing. I doesn't work and it annoys the pig"

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
7. My answer...
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:01 PM
Jun 2014

"Why? It never has been."

And, "Do you think we should require it in Puerto Rico and among Native Americans?"

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
9. I'd first start by asking "Why?"
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:04 PM
Jun 2014

If some form is printed in English and Spanish and Tagalog, what does your friend lose by this?

excringency

(105 posts)
10. Tell him you have trouble understanding...
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:04 PM
Jun 2014

...what he's saying with his thick Iroquois (Sioux, Navajo, etc.) accent.

excringency

(105 posts)
21. Will science work?
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 02:01 PM
Jun 2014

From: http://www.apa.org/pi/oema/resources/english-only.aspx

The last two sentences sum it up nicely.

The English-Only Movement
Myths, Reality, and Implications for Psychology
The scientific literature relevant to the arguments for and against the English-only movement is reviewed, to determine whether the Resolution Against English Only before the Board of Directors and the Council of Representatives of the American Psychological Association (APA) was supportable. Some of the misconceptions advanced by English-only advocates that affect the sociopsychological, educational, testing, and health-service delivery arenas are examined. It is argued that there is no support for English-only initiatives, and that the English-only movement can have negative consequences on psychosocial development, intergroup relations, academic achievement, and psychometric and health-service delivery systems for many American citizens and residents who are not proficient in English. The public interest is best served by affirming a position in opposition to English-only. English-only is socially divisive and poses a threat to the human welfare that psychologists espouse in the APA Ethical Principles of Psychologists.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
11. spanish should be
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:08 PM
Jun 2014

they had the first settlements here right?

lol..dont waste your time on arguing/debating this nonsense

Lex

(34,108 posts)
12. Wait, isn't English already American's official language?
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:10 PM
Jun 2014

That's the primary one I see, hear, and read everywhere.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
24. What does she want, a certificate to frame
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 02:12 PM
Jun 2014

that says so? Some folks are just looking for something to whine about, unfortunately.



dsc

(52,152 posts)
29. no it isn't
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 02:19 PM
Jun 2014

that is why, for instance, ballots have to be made available in languages other than English as well as English.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
37. People who speak and read English don't have a cause for whining
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 05:24 PM
Jun 2014

because everything is written in English here so why would it have to be "official?" It's another tea-bagger non-issue.

The empressof all

(29,098 posts)
13. There are bigger fish to fry
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:17 PM
Jun 2014

Seriously, This is an issue he/she perceives to be a huge problem for this country?

Sounds like it may be some time for some gentle pointing to some real issues like poverty, hunger, pollution,....and crazy republican positions.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
17. Before I just stopped talking to people for that kind of crap,
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:24 PM
Jun 2014

I would just make jokes about how Americans are so stupid and lazy.

Canada has two languages but we're just overrun by idiots so lazy they don't even want to have to press 1 on a damn keypad.

What do you call a person who speaks two languages? Bilingual.
What do you call a person who speaks three languages? Trilingual.
What do you call a person who speaks only one language? American.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
38. Someone needs to tell the guy in the first photo: there are 2 "m"s in accommodate...
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 05:28 PM
Jun 2014

since he's so fond of English and all.

PumpkinAle

(1,210 posts)
19. Try some hickphonics on them.....
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:30 PM
Jun 2014

Southern slang, or “Hickphonics,” is a language to be taught in all Southern schools. Here are excerpts from the Hickphonics/English dictionary:

ARE - pronoun.
Possessive case of “we” used as a predicate adjective.

BAHS - noun.
A supervisor.
Usage: “If you don’t stop reading these Southern words and git back to work, your bahs is gonna far you!”

BARD - verb.
Past tense of the infinitive “to borrow.”
Usage: “My brother bard my pickup truck.”

BOB WAR - noun.
A sharp, twisted cable.
Usage: “Boy, stay away from that bob war fence.”

DID - adjective.
Not alive.
Usage: “He’s did, Jim.”

EAR - noun.
A colorless, odorless gas (unless you are in Los Angeles).
Usage: “He cain’t breathe... give ’im some ear!”

FAR - noun.
A conflagration.
Usage: “If my brother from Jawjuh don’t change the oll in my pickup truck, that things gonna catch far.”

FARN - adjective.
Not local.
Usage: “I cuddint unnerstand a wurd he sed... must be from some farn country.”

JEW HERE - Noun and verb contraction.
Usage: “Jew here that my brother from Jawjuh got a job with that bob war fence cump’ny?”

MUNTS - noun.
A calendar division.
Usage: “My brother from Jawjuh bard my pickup truck, and I ain’t herd from him in munts.”

RATS - noun.
Entitled power or privilege.
Usage: “We Southerners are willin’ to fat for are rats.”

RETARD - Verb.
To stop working.
Usage: “My grampaw retard at age 65.”

SEED - verb, past tense.
Usage: “Billy Joe aint cummin to the perty... we seed him yesterdee at the bawrbawr shop.”


TIRE - noun.
A tall monument.
Usage: “Lord willin’ and the creek don’t rise, I sure do hope to see that Eiffel Tire in Paris sometime.”

http://joek.com/jokes/joke_103.shtml

Spirochete

(5,264 posts)
20. When someone says that
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:38 PM
Jun 2014

I always assume that anyone to whom English is a second language, is not someone that person would want to speak with anyway.
Besides, isn't English already the sort of official language?

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
22. Doesn't that conflict directly with
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 02:05 PM
Jun 2014

Free Speech? How do you make someone not speak Dutch if they want to speak Dutch?

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
25. Enblish is already the De Facto official language.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 02:14 PM
Jun 2014

What these racist scum bags really want is to never even hear another language.

Ask her if she thinks people should be arrested for speaking a language other than English.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
26. Tell her you do believe in the original American language
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 02:16 PM
Jun 2014

Algonquin, Lakota, Apache, etc.


Make it a joke

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
28. Ask them
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 02:18 PM
Jun 2014

To only use English words, no foreign phrases, no words that we use that are derived from a foreign language such as kindergarten etc.

We actually speak a language that we refer to as English but is actually not so, it is somewhat of a polyglot language.

mnhtnbb

(31,374 posts)
31. The Brits would love that.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 03:49 PM
Jun 2014

To them, we don't speak English, we speak American.

Seriously, we were in London a couple of weeks ago attending a performance
at The Old Vic (where Kevin Spacey is Artistic Director) of the play, Other Desert Cities.
We got to chatting with the people seated next to us--local Brits--and they told us they
were having a hard time understanding it because it was in "American". Haha.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
35. If we made English the "official" language, could we remove all the Latin references from the law
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 04:12 PM
Jun 2014
Habeas Corpus
Ad Hominem
Caveat Emptor
De Novo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legal_Latin_terms

I've always felt that the use of Latin in the law was designed to make the legal system more mystifying and less accessible to the common person. I'd like to see all of that language removed and replaced with equivalent terms in English (or American) (or whatever the Hell it is we speak here).
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