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A 43-year-old Griffin police officer and father of seven was only doing his job when he was shot and killed outside of a Waffle House early this morning while working an off-duty security job in full uniform, his brother said.
Raymond Jordan was there when Griffin police say Michael D. Bowman, 30, shot Officer Kevin Jordan multiple times. Raymond Jordan ultimately shot Bowman, who is in stable condition at Atlanta Medical Center.
I dont want to be bitter, Raymond Jordan told Channel 2 Action News. But the only regret I have is that I didnt kill him.
He told the television station that Bowman, Chantell Mixon and Tyler Taylor were drunk when they came to the Waffle House at 1702 North Expressway. He claimed the trio used racial slurs and did not respect his brother, an ex-Marine who had been with the Griffin Police Department for four years.
the perps... great t-shirt!
In a statement, Griffin police only said that Bowman, Mixon and Taylor caused a disturbance and were asked to leave the restaurant around 2:20 a.m. Saturday. An altercation spilled into the parking lot, where Officer Kevin Jordan tried to arrest Mixon, Officer Mike Richardson with the Griffin Police Department said. Mixon is Bowmans 28-year-old girlfriend, according to Channel 2.
Officer Kevin Jordan was on the ground trying to restrain Mixon when police say Bowman maliciously shot him multiple times in the back, Richardson said.
more: http://m.ajc.com/news/news/griffin-officer-shot-and-killed-at-waffle-house/ngBL9/
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)But facts do not matter
villager
(26,001 posts)...in the benighted state of Georgia.
Ilsa
(61,688 posts)Bill, if they can read at all. They heard that their gov signed it into law, probably watched the signing ceremony on TV, and that was enough for them, especially after the media circus.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)They're perfectly willing to promulgate a faith-promoting rumor or six.
It's for a good cause, dontcha know?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I was responding to the post that said it was about guns everywhere that is not in effect yet. Quite a jump you made there. Death penalty will be too good for this asshole.
mikeysnot
(4,756 posts)CCW holder? Law abiding citizen, if you will,
you should not be lecturing anyone on facts....
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Is the law in effect yet? I was not lecturing anyone, I was just stating fact. Even when this law goes into effect next month guns will not be allowed everywhere right or wrong?
mikeysnot
(4,756 posts)yes, "the law" is not in effect yet and this shit is already happening.
samsingh
(17,590 posts)so I agree facts matter.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)samsingh
(17,590 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)was able to end it with his own legally carried weapon. To bad for him he could not help his brother out before he was shot. I bet Bowman was not legal to own a weapon but time will tell. Criminals generally do not obey laws.
tenderfoot
(8,425 posts)eom
GeorgeGist
(25,308 posts)Just blow me away.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)msongs
(67,346 posts)sarisataka
(18,472 posts)And especially the family
Outside of the uniformed officer, who was openly carrying a firearm?
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Meth is a hell of a drug.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)mattclearing
(10,091 posts)Erose999
(5,624 posts)White Castle.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Trying to arrest three beligerent drunks by himself was probably a mistake, especially given Georgia's "everyone's armed" policy.
RIP
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)There is no mystery, no question as to who committed this vile murder. There is no chance of executing an innocent man. Here we have a Black policeman (hero!) trying to arrest a drunk and disorderly. The drunks use racial slurs and shoot the Hero execution style in the back.
Cases like this, where there is literally zero doubt about guilt and where the crime is especially heinous, should be fast tracked for the DP. It should be a trial, one automatic appeal upon conviction, and once that appeal is exhausted, execution should be carried out within 30 days.
Someone like this, someone who is going to commit a hate crime and murder a Black policeman in cold blood, well, deserves to die -- quite frankly.
Ilsa
(61,688 posts)He's dangerous. He's ruined so many lives.
Logical
(22,457 posts)JJChambers
(1,115 posts)I am pro-DP, along with slightly more than half of my fellow Democrats. I don't support the DP in it's current state and would modify it, which we have already discussed. But the DP definitely has a place in our system.
Logical
(22,457 posts)You know it will be an embarrassment how long we did it.
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)Other progressive companies do some bone headed things; that doesn't mean we should automatically do them either. The ONLY flaw with the death penalty is that it requires the same burden of proof as a mere conviction. Seeing that the death penalty is irreversible once administered, I think the burden of proof should be raised to a new level that removes any chance of it being administered to an innocent.
A case like this one, where there is zero doubt about who executed this Black Policeman, which was also a hate crime, is an ideal candidate for the death penalty.
Logical
(22,457 posts)No reason except for revenge. Britan, France, Canada, etc.
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)How does society benefit by allowing this racist murderer to sit in prison for the next 50 years? Give him a trial, one automatic appeal, and then carry out the execution within 30 days. He taunted a black Policeman with racial slurs and then executed him! He deserves to die.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Being civilized!
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)And more civilized, too. The DP isn't inherently uncivilized. Executing innocents is wrong but executing vile racist murderers is acceptable. That's why I propose we modify the DP.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Loved the Tower of London days! Read about it on Wiki!
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)It's easier to ignore hard questions.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)How does society benefit by allowing this racist murderer to sit in prison for the next 50 years?
Logical
(22,457 posts)more of less countries will continue to use the death penalty in 2020, 2030, 2050? Be honest.
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)It's about a permanent solution to a serious problem. The death penalty needs reform. But I think it could prove to be a serious deterrent if properly implemented. In it's current state, criminals know that even if they are sentenced to death, they'll likely never be executed and will have many years before they have to face the ultimate consequence.
If we can eliminate the chance of executing an innocent by raising the burden of proof, and once we've done that, if we can hasten the timeline so 20 years on death row becomes 3 months, I think the prospect of execution would be more of a deterrent.
To answer your question, if things continue the way they are going, fewer countries will use the death penalty. But in 50 years I think there will be so many global crises between climate and economics and overpopulation that the world will be unrecognizable. We may very will live in a world where executions are more common than they are today.
Logical
(22,457 posts)how many people are executed a year? Does the average person? No they do not.
People do not kill people assuming to get caught. Or worry about the DP before killing someone.
Civilized people do not kill people unless it is self defense.
3 months is a joke. Want a list of people released off death row after 3 months?
You have not really put much thought into this.
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)That's why it isn't a deterrent.
And you completely ignored my requirement for raising burden of proof. 3 months wouldn't be acceptable given our current system. The DP isn't acceptable at all given the current system.
3 months on death row would be just fine if we could guarantee guilt.
Logical
(22,457 posts)"well I would shoot that gang banger if I thought I would only get life in prison with no parole, but if it is the DP then I don't think I will"
Yea, that will happen.
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)If the thought was "if I shoot that policeman in front of this dash camera I'll be dead in a few months..." it may actually give some pause. That's a lot more powerful than "if I shoot this policeman I'll maybe sit on death row for 20 years or longer.."
Logical
(22,457 posts)they might be dead in 1 minute. You must not know the desperation of some of these people. You are thinking like an average citizen, not a criminal.
Done discussing this with you officer.
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)I prefer to be the Gentleman.
Hayyyyy
MattBaggins
(7,897 posts)JJChambers
(1,115 posts)Just making the point that it's a common view.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Just one of these deaths should be enough to persuade any decent human being that this is the wrong policy. Just one. And there have been many. Our "justice" system is corrupt at times. Prosecutors are bought off. Stuff happens. And it tends to happen to poor people and non-white people disproportionately. And they pay the price. You'd better hope one of your friends or loved ones is never falsely accused in a death penalty case.
Lancero
(3,002 posts)Just one of these jailings should be enough to persuade any decent human being that this is the wrong policy. Just one. And there have been many. Our "justice" system is corrupt at times. Prosecutors are bought off. Stuff happens. And it tends to happen to poor people and non-white people disproportionately. And they pay the price. You'd better hope one of your friends or loved ones is never falsely accused in a life in prison case.
Uncle Joe
(58,268 posts)paid compensation.
There is no going back from a death penalty, once you're dead, you're dead.
And I have no doubt if you took a poll from among those people that have been released and most likely those still in prison, I would wager none of them would be happier had they been wrongfully executed.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)JJChambers
(1,115 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)JJChambers
(1,115 posts)lark
(23,059 posts)Can't believe this nations' gun stupidity.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)If they waved a sword or pulled the pin on a grenade in other people's space, they'd get called on it immediately. They demand the public deny the common sense that unregulated gun ownership is a public safety issue, by their abuse of the Bill of Rights.
The 2A cultists want us to repeat their dogma that gun wavers never harm anyone. They want each and every one of us to submit to living under the threat of their guns no matter how insane they behave or how threatening they are.
And they love to threaten people and abuse people, especially women. Take a good look at what they do:
Spitting, Stalking, Rape Threats: How Gun Extremists Target Women
...Longdon is no stranger to such attacks. Last May in her hometown of Phoenix, she helped coordinate a gun buyback program with local police over three weekends. On the first Saturday, a group of men assembled across the street from the church parking lot where Longdon was set up. They shouted about constitutional rights and tyranny, and called people arriving to trade in their guns "sellouts." (The program netted nearly 2,000 firearms with more than $200,000 in reimbursements.)
Some of them approached Longdon. "You know what was wrong with your shooting?" one said. "They didn't aim better." Another man came up, looked Longdon up and down and said, "I know who you are." Then he recited her home address. The harassment continued, and the men showed up throughout the program, a Phoenix police official involved confirmed to me.
After a fundraiser one night during the program, Longdon returned home around 10 p.m., parked her ramp-equipped van and began unloading herself. As she wheeled up to her house, a man stepped out of the shadows. He was dressed in black and had a rifle, "like something out of a commando movie," Longdon told me. He took aim at her and pulled the trigger. Longdon was hit with a stream of water. "Don't you wish you had a gun now, bitch?" he scoffed before taking off.
"It was like a mock execution," Longdon says, recalling the intense surge of adrenaline and how the incident triggered her PTSD from the 2004 attack that nearly killed her and her fiancé. She called the police, but they were unable to track down the perpetrator. By the following Saturday, Longdon was back at her post helping run the buyback...
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/05/guns-bullying-open-carry-women-moms-texas
I hope that all three of these 'patriots' spend many years in the gray bar hotel.
KG
(28,751 posts)mikeysnot
(4,756 posts)repeat this, SHOT IN BACK.
gun cowards are sooooooooo tough!
Phentex
(16,330 posts)according to the local news this morning. Five times in the back.
billh58
(6,635 posts)with a gun -- until he wasn't. More guns = more gun death and violence.
Erose999
(5,624 posts)One is law abiding when one walks into the store. One is even law abiding when putting merchandise in their pocket. Its when you leave without paying (and get caught) that you're not "law abiding".
billh58
(6,635 posts)I didn't say "law abiding citizen," I said "good guy with a gun." See NRA talking points for explanation.
Erose999
(5,624 posts)talking point synonymous to "good guy with a gun".
billh58
(6,635 posts)explanation...
dilby
(2,273 posts)I guess people are upset about the officers brother having a firearm is this what this story is about?
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Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)is committed. In fact, it is required by him to act.
Public Intoxication and being Drunk and Disorderly are two good reasons to arrest.
The officer was doing his duty.
Taitertots
(7,745 posts)It is the merger of corporations and the state.
Please cite the laws which creates a legal requirement that off-duty police officers try to arrest people for trivial crimes. It is my understand that no such requirement exists.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)It has been adjudicated many times in this country when an off-duty police officer exercises his authority to arrest. The defense is that the officer was not on duty, or was hired as private security, therefore he does not have the force of law behind the arrest.
Neither argument is accepted.
Here's just one of many: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-6th-circuit/1339194.html , Swiecicki vs Delgado, which, coincidentally involves a D&D and PI arrest by an off-duty LEO working private security.
The argument made by the defense was that the officer was not entitled to make the arrest, that the free speech rights of the arrestee were violated, the officer used excessive force, etc.
They lost.
You characterize D&D and PI as 'trivial'. People get arrested for those violations every single day in this country.
And as for "the merger of corporations and the state", private businesses are allowed to protect their employees and patrons in this country.
Just like private citizens are allowed to do.
Taitertots
(7,745 posts)I said
You respond with a case that does nothing to support your position. Even worse, a bad cop for hire that beat an innocent man and got caught lying about it.
We can't agree because you support privatized police forces for corporations and rich people. I think privatizing law enforcement is inherently counter to the interests of the masses.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)"the local police force pays for shit and this guy was moonlighting to feed his seven kids", I'd say.
And a police officer who witnesses a crime, even off duty, has the authority (and probably, the duty...after all, part of being a sworn peace officer? Includes swearing an oath to uphold the laws) to arrest. And this is behaviour that would probably have resulted in the police being called to the location anyway. Disorderly conduct and public drunkenness are both arrestable offences in the state of Georgia.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)deathrind
(1,786 posts)This person who shot the officer should sit in jail for the rest of his life the DP should not be sought that too much of an easy out. Plus it cost millions more to put a person to death than incarcerate them for life...don't waste the money.
ileus
(15,396 posts)I can't even determine what is what in this story....really hard to follow the line of events.
Bowman shot off duty officer Griffin...
The part that involved Raymond Jordon is unclear...
Was Bowman open carrying??? I can't find that in the story.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Gungeoneer logic
More guns = more pretend undeaths