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that have destroyed the sovereignty of formerly first world countries, plunging them into poverty and debt while the oligarchs as always run off with the profits.

The climate is ripe for these Far Right Nationalists to move into positions of power. It sounds familiar. I'd like to know who the MORONS who are responsible for all this, are, BY NAME. They seem to hide in the shadows and let their ipuppets, like Cameron et al do the dirty work for them.

But as dipsydoodle said, everything has an upside. If they stop these trade agreements, that would be helpful. And make them even more popular, which is the downside.

But to have to depend on the Right for what the Left wouldn't do is an evil compromise. Still, I agree with both of you. But, also know that you both know the cautions about what went on with start of WWI...leading to WWII.

Let's hope that things end differently this time and this is just an evolution after past mistakes. I believe there are still some good folks "behind the scenes" who are working to try to correct these mistakes. For example...I think Snowden had help from some in the Intelligence Community who were as horrified as Snowden was and those Whistleblowers before as to what was happening with this very far over reach into our civil liberties of the people. There are "people of conscience" still in our Government and out there all across America. They just need leaders who will help them and what we have as leaders is the Whistleblowers who are sounding...enough is enough. They are courageous and maybe down the road they can cut through the crap of the stuff we deal with in the "MSM/Military/Industrial/Media/Wall Street Complex to "behind the scenes work to making the reforms needed...against all odds. Changing Opinions is what has to happen. I just hope we don't get to the point where it all crashes and burns before the reforms can be made by those diligently working in the "shadows."

who are appalled at what is going on, I also believe Snowden did have help from some of them. I think that is why he is so positive about the communications he claims to have had re his concerns. Because he's not the only one who knows the truth. He did say something about others verifying his claims, airc.

And this:

Absolutely it's a disgrace that the Left has been so compromised at least the 'elected' Left. But this is where we are and like you, I hope the good people prevail before it's too late.

I remember eg, being shocked to find out how many within Bush's DOJ eg, tried to stop the abuses, many I learned, quit their positions. Comey and even Ashcroft had lines they would not cross. I remember Comey when he made his farewell speech, referring to 'all of you are no longer with us, you know who you are' and at the time I was puzzled by that remark. Remember we all thought Republicans were marching in lockstep with Bush. But that was not the case as it turned it out.

And I just read recently that the Left and the Right are 'joining forces on issues of the devastating results of the Drug Laws. Even Meese now says he sees that it has all gone to far and is joining the ACLU to try to reform those draconian laws, that he himself is partly responsible for.

But for now, we see yet another terrible effect of the policies that have caused this country and others, so much harm with the Far Right gaining power in Europe.

Our tea partiers are nationalists who want their country out of the UN, the WTO and essentially every international treaty and organization to which we belong and are anti-immigrant.

European far right are nationalists who want their countries out of the EU and immigrants out of their countries.

There's a nationalist, begged-thy-neighbor, "us vs. them" creates a pattern to their madness.