a fucking god and breaks the law but no one else can.

That's disgusting

It certainly downplays the struggles African Americans went through to gain their freedom from chains, whippings and outright murder.

His 15 minutes is up & the cloaks & daggers bullshit is played out.

Shoulda expected that, I guess.

between Edward Snowden and the Underground railroad comparison.

Poor widdle eddie a runaway slave

The demand for lockstep is amazing.

impression of him, at all.

Why do you think he is authoritarian?

I blame the pundit for this one.

And, no, if MLK didn't go to jail, fought the fight, no one would remember him as running is not the mark of a leader.

Runaway slaves did not apply to be slaves, while Snowden applied to the NSA. And runaway slaves did not run off to another country and spill foreign intelligence secrets that riled up our allies against us.

others fled to unincorporated territories.

Sometimes slaves were tricked into slavery back in Africa, by their fellow Africans, just as Snowden was tricked into betraying the Constitution by his employer. But usually, they were captured by rival tribes and sold to the white men.

It really helps to have a little historical information, if you are going to try to make a convincing argument on DU.


There is nothing offensive about fighting injustice and tyranny and defending the Constitution from an illegal regime. For such is the NSA.

How DARE you question his decades in bondage!

Not many slaves fled to Canada and they did not release foreign intelligence when they did. They didn't choose slavery. Snowden applied for his last NSA job knowing what he would be doing. He wasn't "tricked" into it. He isn't fighting tyranny. He is helping push tyrant Putin's propaganda.

someone who was a fucking slave and all that meant compared to snowden .

You think a young man spouting gungho patriotism throughout his life, enlisting in the armed forces and training for the most dangerous of duties is a Russian agent?

Yeah, I guess I do.

The fact that it's here and now, not 150 years ago, in no way reflects upon Snowden OR the runaway slaves.

He's not stealing their thunder, if that's what everybody's hot about.

You said this! You agree to the comparison.

Flying off in a jet plane would be a dream come true for Slaves. This dude nails himself to the cross once a week.

As a black woman it pissed me off to have him have his people compare his situation to being a runaway slave, it is false and disrespectful. The struggles my ancestors lived were life or death situation and they had no ownership over themselves, they were raped, their children sold, and this little punk wants to pretend like his getting on a plane, eating peanuts and sammiches, is anything like the underground railroad makes me want to spit in his face.
Then the MLK comparison.
Are they series!1! MLK stayed his ass at home and fought everyday in the struggle for civil rights leading to jail, and death. Snowden isn't fit to lick the boots of my ancestors with his phony martyrdom or compare himself to MLK. I can't stand when people try to co-opt something that has nothing to do with them and make false comparisons.

You need more?

and Hell Yeah!

one multiply-banned DU troll likened Morales to Harriet Tubman.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023165190



Sometimes, the stupid is too deep around here.

Sid

How did I miss that one! That was one crazy poster.

That irritated me.

Patrick Henry comparison not so long ago!

It has to happen.

Christmas Jesus? Teenage Jesus?

made me spill my beer.

I actually had that one on "ignore" just because I got sick of seeing all the ridiculous threads from him/her, so I missed that one. Glad the admins caught on.

from the poster who was obsessed with Paul Revere too!

Some lawyers take courses in handling the media and this idiot clearly didn't. What an offensive thing to say. Worse than the Paul Revere comparisons.

they all seem. And the libertarian shit seeps out more by the day.

Self important big mouth GG is probably reading my words as i type them out.

First Snow was Paul Revere, then Prometheus, then Harriet Tubman and MLK? This is starting to look like a Reality show created by two Libertarian dorks with Notice me syndrome.
And for some reason I am supposed to thank these dudes and be very happy to do it.

Every single thing about this group says "Republican" to me from the not so casual racism to the Ron Paul support to the super dee dooper patriotism when Bush was in office that evaporated seemingly as soon as Obama stepped in.

And it tickles me something fierce to see their panting fans on this web site who are so quick to toss "right wing authoritarian!1" at everyone that sees right through this little pack. Like I said, the more the man and his fans talk, the more unhinged and stupid they sound.

I find it strange that those who think they are the far left, sound exactly like the far right. And i am still waiting for the big revelations they were going to reveal. It's always coming soon......
And each time we learn that the real stuff will be revealed later... I hope he never comes home, we'd never be able to get him and GG down off of the cross of self promotional Martyrdom and shameless victimhood.

and gets blasted to Jupiter.

Sick of him already, sick of his stupid face, his stupid talk and his stupid Libertarian friends and lawyers.

even the spit in his face part.

Or maybe you think Snowden is feeding lines to an ACLU lawyer. When your hatred becomes official, it's probably a good idea to direct that hatred toward the right person. Anyway, happy hating, I guess.

I stll want to spit.

Have a nice afternoon.

Nicely done.

Sid

If his lawyer is defending Snowden for the crimes he has committed he has brought up a comparsion Snowden could never live up to being. One can not take this zero and boost his standing on the backs of runaway slaves or MLK.

Didn't think Snowden could get worse, but yep, he went there.

RWer.
Traitor.
Coward.
Narcissist.
Racist.

Yup.

pathetic...

You know, slave stuff.

Stupidest hyperbolic bullshit EVER!

Those were some insane times. Look at Sid's link in post 54 and that poster actually made this offensive comparison long ago.

I was sure it was him trolling for himself.

and headed for New York City

The segregationists had somewhat of a history of encouraging civil rights workers to shut up, leave, or die

That's why Bethel Baptist Church had been dynamited on Christmas Day in 1956, but Rev Shuttlesworth decided to stay in town and led his announced protest the next day anyway

It's why Bull Connor didn't interfere with the Klansman who attacked Freedom Riders in the Birmingham Trailways Station on 14 May 1961

Rightwing political violence was endemic in Birmingham then. King went to jail on 12 April 1963 knowing that Bull Connor had just been re-elected, knowing that violence was a real threat in jail, and knowing that bail money might not be available

Things didn't change quickly

In May 1963, Bull Connor was attacking children with fire hoses and police dogs

The Sixteenth Street Baptist Church was dynamited shortly before Sunday services on 15 September 1963, killing four children

Shame on Wizner

Dr. King faced his critics and the institutional structure that facilitated inequality. His jail time was an example of that injustice and he made sure people knew it. Even now, disability advocates take pride in getting arrested because it becomes a platform to present a vivid example of injustice.

If Snowden was a mature, thoughtful person fighting the power, he would be eager to make his case in court as part of a mission for what he believes is the greater good.

A war by any other name has the same conditions imposed upon its participants, be they willing or not.

what you apparently meant was "The only part of civil disobedience that matters is NOT BEING HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR ONE'S ACTIONS!"

What about the innocents in Gitmo? And yes, some have been judged innocent, but they are still imprisoned there...

Or the "collateral damage" in drone strikes? Women, children, wedding parties?

This government has shown precious little concern for people, including its own citizens, or the Rule of Law, which has been completely abandoned in civil and criminal cases, even to the point of insisting on carrying out the death penalty on people who are patently not guilty, whenever it's convenient for the abuser.

Please spare me your indignation. Edward Snowden fulfilled the first and highest duty of an American citizen: he called his country to task for violating its own Constitution. That he succeeded so completely is a tribute to his keen observation of how other whistleblowers tried (and failed), his impressive intelligence and problem-solving ability, and his strength of character.

He could have kept pulling down the big bucks, living a cushy life in a tropical paradise, ignoring the crime, but HE KNEW THAT WAS WRONG. So he did the only morally, ethically right thing he could. And he did it in a smart way, that actually made reform possible.

And if you think his life wasn't threatened and still isn't, I don't think there's anything that can help you. Whether it's due a failure of imagination or education, your chances of survival are much less than Snowden's in similar circumstances.

she was/is imprisoned.

The NSA has little to do with the GITMO detainees, though I suspect that they were on the NSA's chatter radar ... and rightfully so.

The rest of your post is merely hyperbolic pouting ... I'm not going to play.

And comparing his situation to what runaway slaves when through is insulting. Snowden has enjoyed legal protection through this whole process.

If you can't admit that, you're nothing more than a pro-statist fascist.

But he's not James Bond or anything - then he is James Bond. Really, he is.

Now he's trying to convince his delusional sycophant fans that he's a runaway slave.

Next up for Little Eddie: he's really been Justin Bieber all along.

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He can't and never will be a martyr. It's laughable that to compare him to a runaway slave.

my African American history

BTW, Fast Eddie, you *chose* to leave Hawa'ii. Slaves didn't chose to be slaves. They were *forced* into it. That's just ONE difference. Furthermore, MLK's era with that of Civil Rights, not the Antebellum period, Mr. Wizner......they aren't the same thing. Not even close.

on Up. I haven't seen anywhere that Snowden compared his plight to that of American slaves fleeing to freedom via the Underground Railroad.

the lawyer would make a correction and/or an apology.

So far Snowden has not disagreed.

hand did what he did voluntarily. That is a stupid comparison his lawyer made, and it is a good thing he backed away from it because it was idiotic

I saw it in this thread.

But he is a hero and he did need to get the hell out of Dodge.

It's not like anyone is interested in protecting a whistle blower these days.

adoring hyperbole?

It's weird. Paul Revere, Jefferson, you name it. It's like a movie in their heads and they want this guy to be hero. Why?

He didn't make anybody look bad.

Obama was at least elected President - I assume he is who you are talking about. The Evil Big Brother Eddie saved you from?

can't handle it.

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Another yawning burning stupid from the snowden camp.

At least this man had the sense to back away from this LUDICROUSLY stupid and offensive meme, which I have seen more than once on DU. Again, anyone surprised by that? Anyone?

The more the man and his supporters talk, the more surreally stupid they ALL seem.

.. then they have to start questioning their motives.

GGs movtives are overt... he wants to make a ton of money of this

I guess Wizner reads DU. That exact analogy was posted here!

What an ignorant idiot.