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brains.
If you watch porn, you probably have a small brain, a new study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) shows.
The study, conducted by the Max Plank Institute for Human Development in Berlin, found a significant negative correlation between frequent pornography consumption and grey matter in the brain (thats the stuff that tells your brain how to react to sensory information.)
The keyword here is correlation. While the studys findings are significant, the researchers dont know if its the porn that causes the low grey-matter volume in porn-watchers, or if its the other way around. It could be a neurological pre-condition that makes watching porn particularly satisfying.
http://www.boston.com/health/2014/05/30/men-who-watch-pornography-have-small-brains/w1N2S2KJVHfVRlSaE39PDM/story.html
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Skittles
(153,104 posts)I've known guys genuinely repelled by it
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Skittles
(153,104 posts)there are no exceptions?
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bettyellen
(47,209 posts)frequently, are both women. But, maybe they are just less ashamed about it then SOME men are.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)mzteris
(16,232 posts)Broad brush, much?
No, not all men. Though way too many. But no, not all, not by a long shot.
LeftishBrit
(41,202 posts)Skittles
(153,104 posts)PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)I consider it to mostly be for teenage boys and dudes that aren't getting any real sex. Why would I want to watch it when I can be doing it? It's just very juvinile in my opinion.
And it gives people unrealistic expectations of what sex is supposed to be. Most women do not want to be pounded for an hour straight (and most guys can't do anything approaching that anyway) and most of them don't want to be bukaked at the end of it.
I don't care if people enjoy it, by all means, do what you want. I just find it kind of silly.
Laffy Kat
(16,366 posts)I don't want to use the Goggle.
Please tell me that was a deliberate mistype....
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Though if you MUST...Wikipedia has an article on it. NSFW, but much better than googling the term.
Laffy Kat
(16,366 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You don't want to get that in your eye.
PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)It's when a guy (or several guys) ejaculate on a woman's face and body.
mockmonkey
(2,805 posts)that way you won't end up with egg on your face.
JI7
(89,238 posts)also.
most of the ones who are not into it say they just find it mostly boring.
moriah
(8,311 posts)I presume it's hard to get girlie mags in the shower.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)silly.
Would a masturbation-addled small-brain think of that? I think not.
longship
(40,416 posts)And I am a guy.
So your hypothesis is falsified.
There are many other guys just like me. I assure you that is a fact.
I am just not interested in viewing other people's prurient desires. Why would anybody presume that all men would? Or any woman? Or anybody? That presumption presumes a lot that just is not true.
Skittles
(153,104 posts)I didn't bother responding to him, preferring the guys themselves to speak out.....I'm not trashing the porn watchers, just saying there ARE guys who don't care for porn and no, they're not losers
looks like that guy was ejected anyhow
Warpy
(111,120 posts)but I don't believe it for a minute.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I'm sure that some of the sex-negative feminists(most of them radical, I'm sure) will be overjoyed by this, but I'm sex-positive and I don't feel that ALL porno is bad for you, and I know I'm not alone in believing such, either.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Skittles
(153,104 posts)inquiring minds
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Oh, that's right, of course they don't.
Shoulders of Giants
(370 posts)I put my small brain to work!
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Or were you on her and off her?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)You probably would, you sicko.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)She would be like-
Who is that a picture of, why are you putting it in a frame, and where in the fuck do you think you are going to hang it?
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Silent3
(15,133 posts)...so they don't need to spend as much time watching porn to get the same effect.
Or, maybe because they're measuring the time spent viewing porn in hours, men who don't have more and better things to do with hours of their time have smaller brains.
moriah
(8,311 posts)davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)Seems to suggest then, that men who do NOT watch porn have bigger brains. So, all like... five of them. Poor bastards.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"So, all like... five of them. Poor bastards."
Almost as poor as those who project their own habits onto others for a sense of self-validation...
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)But, you know, I find sneering egomaniacs just a little more annoying.
gmoney
(11,559 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Hodor
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)from Hodors point of view..
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LeftishBrit
(41,202 posts)Two possible reasons: less intelligent people have fewer other interests; or it may not be a matter of intelligence, but of level of 'natural' arousal and stimulation, and under-stimulated people are more likely to seek external stimulation such as porn. In order to check which it is likely to be, one would have to see whether it also correlates with IQ. Lower grey matter doesn't necessarily mean lower IQ; it depends, for example, on where in the brain one is talking about.
Also this is just one study, and it may be that the next study will contradict it!
Behind the Aegis
(53,917 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,202 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)By the way the article makes clear that there is no claim of causation, there were no strong conclusions, just a correlation. The authors themselves agreed that more study was needed. A lot more study. Intensive long term longitudinal cohort studies.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)"....Intensive long term longitudinal cohort studies."
whistler162
(11,155 posts)different races from the late 19th and early 20th century!
Same type of study.
LeftishBrit
(41,202 posts)The 19th century 'studies' were much worse, however; they went solely by size/shape of head, and drew all kinds of unfounded conclusions about the brain.
There are still 'researchers', especially from the evolutionary psychology field who make all kinds of unfounded conclusions about gender and racial differences in intelligence. I don't think this is quite on the same level; but 64 people isn't a lot, for drawing conclusions.
What I really am worried about here is that some people might go, 'OMG! Porn shrinks the brain! Ban all porn!' Which is neither a valid conclusion, nor a realistic aim (and I'm someone who dislikes porn).
Behind the Aegis
(53,917 posts)Does this mean if I watch too much porn I will become straight?!
Well, I will solider on! Off to ruin my brain and eyesight, if I can get over these damn itchy palms!
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)I became obsessed with it until I realized that a symptom of having a longer index (shorter ring finger) meant you ... were more susceptible to "woo"! It's just weird as fuck that it explains so much about my personality. I hate that. So I just avoid that theory completely. Fuck that!
(It probably has a lot of validity to it mind you.)
Puglover
(16,380 posts)Everytime I see these kvetchy semi creepy OP's about the porn habits of someone other than then the OP I thank God for making me gay.
JesterCS
(1,827 posts)joshcryer
(62,265 posts)XXL motorcycle helmet barely fits (it's comfortable but I think 3XL might be loose, without spending extra I'd get a half inch larger).
I will not confirm or deny that I watch excessive amounts of porn, but if this study is correct perhaps I have a thick skull.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)joshcryer
(62,265 posts)Without the hairstyle.
I'm not kidding either, I remember watching Fresh Prince or Seaquest DSV and my entire family telling me to lay down. I couldn't sit up to watch TV (I needed glasses; didn't learn until later; so I sat real close to the TV and would block the view inadvertently!).
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)There are all kinds of sayings which have either been retired and/or made superfluous by modern tech (like 60 in. HDTVs, for instance) ... "you make a better door than a window", is another one that comes to mind.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)If anything it was weird that I didn't realize I needed glasses until I was almost 18. Homeschooled, never really had my eyesight tested, just, sorta went with the flow. Then POW, real life hits, and you find out you've been nearly blind for most of your life. If anything that first pair of glasses was a truly transformational experience.
All thanks to Fresh Prince.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I'm well into High Degree myopia, myself.
Although now I'm at the age where I'm starting to get it on the other end, too.
edited to add: I wonder if it was the porn?
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)Those bastards!
whistler162
(11,155 posts)Next scientist will find that those that believe these type of studies have significantly less grey matter!
edbermac
(15,933 posts)Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)I am so sorry to hear this....
reflection
(6,286 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)a willing sex partner, due to the fact that they may not be the brightest candle on the altar, so they watch a lot of porn to compensate.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Hodor.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 2, 2014, 08:41 PM - Edit history (1)
Am I supposed to like gospel music because you think it is sent from God? (Yes, family members tell me this).
Am I supposed to eat only dandelion greens and raw veggies because you think it is the correct thing to eat? (Yes, I have many friends who tell me this).
So what if you don't like porn? DON'T WATCH PORN. Some people like fucking on film. Some don't. Some do it to pay the rent. Some do it for the rush. Some do it say piss off daddy or mommy, some don't have a daddy or mommy.
WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE WHAT ANYONE DOES WITH THEIR BODY?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)the reactions here were entirely predictable.
redqueen
(115,101 posts)were hilarious
daleanime
(17,796 posts)almost all of them were hilarious.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Yavin4
(35,413 posts)Like a band no one else likes, and you start a war. Like a comic no one else likes, same thing.
redqueen
(115,101 posts)So there's kind of a difference there.
Yavin4
(35,413 posts)Performers are not raped in porn.
Afterward, she looked shaken, her face reddened and her eyes watery. But she insisted she was OK. "I look torn up can you tell?," she asked an ABCNEWS producer who was following her progress for Primetime. Laughing and wiping her eye, she turned away and said without conviction, "I took a beating today, and it was great."
...
During interviews with Primetime, Michelle kept the happy smile she had always had even when describing things that many people would find disturbing. However, her composure cracked when Diane Sawyer asked why she always smiled. Tears came to her eyes as she said, "Because I like to hide hide everything, you know?" Then she began to cry, explaining that she hides her real emotions because she wants to show everyone how happy she is. "And I'm not happy I don't like myself at all," she said.
Michelle confessed she often felt physical revulsion during her scenes: "My whole entire body feels it when I'm doing it and I feel so so gross." While pretending to be enjoying the sex, she said, she was in fact counting the minutes, telling herself, "Hey, I only have this much time left. Don't worry about it. Get the check. Gonna go deposit it in your bank." She admitted: "You get addicted to the money."
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132369&page=1&singlePage=true
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2001/mar/17/society.martinamis1
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At conventions and other public events, the adult industry tends to portray itself as a happy family promoting shame-free sexual enjoyment. But privately, many performers say the reality is very different.
"There's some unwritten law or agenda out here in Pornoland that if we tell the truth about what's really going on here, the fan will get turned off," said Ona Zee, a former performer who is now an advocate for reform.
While a hit movie can bring in as much as $1 million adult movies have a very long shelf life, and can keep selling for years after their initial release most performers see little of the profits. They are seldom paid residuals, and often get only a flat fee. The fees vary from $350 to $1,000 for a conventional sex scene to a few thousand dollars for more extreme sex.
...
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132001&page=1&singlePage=true
You're welcome to do research on your own of course. Not many people seem to care very much about the issue.
Yavin4
(35,413 posts)You point to two negative experiences that two performers encountered, and yes, their experiences were horrible, that does not mean that ALL of porn involves rape. That's a ridiculous leap.
Second, most of porn is rapidly moving away from the traditional porn companies. It's becoming more and more, DIY. Most performers set up a web cam in the privacy of their homes and sell directly to customers.
Bottom line is this, people enjoy performing in porn and people enjoy watching it. I can post books written by porn performers who enjoy their work.
Yeah, never mind.
You obviously arent interested in anything that doesn't support the mantra that porn=good.
Yavin4
(35,413 posts)Is that your argument? Even the people sitting at home having sex with their spouses on a web cam. These people are raped as well??
redqueen
(115,101 posts)Same nonsensical kneejerking reactions as usual when anyone dares to criticize this particular sacred cow.
Yavin4
(35,413 posts)When you said:
A reasonable interpretation of your statement is that people are raped in order to make porn. Now, if you want to amend your statement feel free.
redqueen
(115,101 posts)Yavin4
(35,413 posts)And, yes. I do think that porn, by and large, is a good thing. It's art like anything else is. Like movies, video games, music, paintings, sculptures, poetry, etc. It's a form of release from the every day world.
And like a lot of people, I do watch it, and I have no shame about it.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)If I am watching porn and run across anything like that, I go to some other video. Then again, I rarely watch much straight porn on purpose. Unfortunately, I have to wade through miles of semen to get to the only women parts a lot of times. I hate that. I wish there was more lesbian porn made by lesbians for lesbians, and no rape stuff or rough stuff, for me, thank you. I'm against the stuff that traumatizes women. Reform would be much better than trying to ban porn though.
Yavin4
(35,413 posts)In all varieties. In fact, there are quite a few lesbian porn companies, run by women, that make the kind of porn that you're looking for.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)It would make things much easier for me. Thanks. I had no idea.
Yavin4
(35,413 posts)When I get home. Send me a reminder. My small brain does not hold much information these days.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Saw it the other night. There was an entire segment about women porn producers. Redqueen and many of the HoF members want you all to believe that all porn is evil rape committed by men, but they might get an eye-opener from this CNBC show. No, it's not all positive. But it's nothing like what the HoF people make it out to be.
redqueen
(115,101 posts)Popular tactic I guess, sad to see it used here though.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Just sayin.' Not that I've ever been there.
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JJChambers
(1,115 posts)Men smart enough to lie about watching porn have bigger brains than those who don't.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)TlalocW
(15,373 posts)I do Sudoku and Crossword Puzzles at the same time I watch porn. I figure they cancel each other out, and my brain remains normal sized.
TlalocW
JustAnotherGen
(31,777 posts)About porn -
I laughed out loud! A dry sense of humor always makes my day!
newcriminal
(2,190 posts)I hope it is my butt. I'll start watching more if you say my butt!
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I'm sure it is not saying they are unintelligent, right? It sounds to me more like they might be desensitized. Remember the old saying about how watching television rots your brain? Maybe it applies to porn too? Then again, what do I know? I watch porn from time to time and feel myself becoming desensitized. I no longer feel the need to keep an umbrella handy in case I run across any straight porn in my search for good lesbian porn, which is difficult to find without having to wade through miles of semen first. :/